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Question: Should the GST rise to 15% to stop Govt. bankruptcy?

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Total votes: 19
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Reply #165 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 11:23am
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 11:16am:
Torpedo wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 11:08am:
so they do all they can to make sure that at least the expected standards are there, and they, not you, teach your kid

John, talking to you is like beating the head against a brick wall, I pass. sorry

So your problem is that you don't want to have to teach your kids? You want to outsource that? Fine ... you pay for it.

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If GST rises by 5%, then your income must also rise by 5%. Which means you will either become unemployed or underpaid. Choose wisely
 
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Reply #166 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 11:24am
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 11:16am:
Torpedo wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 11:08am:
so they do all they can to make sure that at least the expected standards are there, and they, not you, teach your kid

John, talking to you is like beating the head against a brick wall, I pass. sorry

So your problem is that you don't want to have to teach your kids? You want to outsource that? Fine ... you pay for it.

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If GST rises by 5%, then your income must also rise by 5%. Which means you will either become unemployed or underpaid. Choose wisely
 
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Reply #167 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:07pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 8:43am:
dingo2 wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 6:15pm:
Sorry, All you ellitist Bastards have to go with a little less, (maybe get rid of the second mobile phone) For the Good of the Country, including Liberal and Labor party supporters, just like the rest of us effected by this economic recession that got worse since the GFC.

Don't give us 15% GST tax to those of us not wasting the countrys money.


the ones wasting money are you layabout welfare-dependant slugs. the rest of us actually contribute to the country. you just TAKE from it and complain about wanting more.




Hi Longweekend,
what would you like to do with these so called welfare-dependent slugs?

in anticipation

Bobby
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Reply #168 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:51pm
 
Torpedo wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 11:23am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 11:16am:
Torpedo wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 11:08am:
so they do all they can to make sure that at least the expected standards are there, and they, not you, teach your kid

John, talking to you is like beating the head against a brick wall, I pass. sorry

So your problem is that you don't want to have to teach your kids? You want to outsource that? Fine ... you pay for it.



my wife says the same thing.
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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #169 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 6:06pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:07pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 8:43am:
dingo2 wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 6:15pm:
Sorry, All you ellitist Bastards have to go with a little less, (maybe get rid of the second mobile phone) For the Good of the Country, including Liberal and Labor party supporters, just like the rest of us effected by this economic recession that got worse since the GFC.

Don't give us 15% GST tax to those of us not wasting the countrys money.


the ones wasting money are you layabout welfare-dependant slugs. the rest of us actually contribute to the country. you just TAKE from it and complain about wanting more.




Hi Longweekend,
what would you like to do with these so called welfare-dependent slugs?

in anticipation

Bobby


death penalty comes to mind.
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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #170 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 6:15pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 6:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:07pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 8:43am:
dingo2 wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 6:15pm:
Sorry, All you ellitist Bastards have to go with a little less, (maybe get rid of the second mobile phone) For the Good of the Country, including Liberal and Labor party supporters, just like the rest of us effected by this economic recession that got worse since the GFC.

Don't give us 15% GST tax to those of us not wasting the countrys money.


the ones wasting money are you layabout welfare-dependant slugs. the rest of us actually contribute to the country. you just TAKE from it and complain about wanting more.




Hi Longweekend,
what would you like to do with these so called welfare-dependent slugs?

in anticipation

Bobby


death penalty comes to mind.



Dear Longweekend,
you continue to promulgate Nazi ideology.

You have been forgiven for this yesterday.
see link:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1356646946/135

Do you have a copy of Mein Kampf on your bedroom table
along with all your Margaret Thatcher books?

forgiven again

namaste

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Reply #171 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:28pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 6:15pm:
You have been forgiven for this yesterday.
see link:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1356646946/135



You have been promoting this thread a lot lately. I have ignored it until now.

What is wrong with you? You have been keeping that thing going for 4 months. Most of it doesn't even have any discussion, it is just you writing stupid "forgiven" posts. Longweekend isn't even replying to it, yet you are still keeping it going. You're a sick stalker. That thread is just weird. Grow up.
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Reply #172 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:39pm
 
Quantum wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:28pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 6:15pm:
You have been forgiven for this yesterday.
see link:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1356646946/135



You have been promoting this thread a lot lately. I have ignored it until now.

What is wrong with you? You have been keeping that thing going for 4 months. Most of it doesn't even have any discussion, it is just you writing stupid "forgiven" posts. Longweekend isn't even replying to it, yet you are still keeping it going. You're a sick stalker. That thread is just weird. Grow up.



Go jump in the lake - you pizza delivery boy.
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Reply #173 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:39pm
 
Quantum wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:28pm:
You have been keeping that thing going for 4 months


this thread was started 3 days ago !!!!!
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Reply #174 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:54pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:39pm:
Quantum wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:28pm:
You have been keeping that thing going for 4 months


this thread was started 3 days ago !!!!!


???? You might want to read my post again. Have a look at the link I was quoting.

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Reply #175 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:59pm
 
Quantum wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:54pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:39pm:
Quantum wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:28pm:
You have been keeping that thing going for 4 months


this thread was started 3 days ago !!!!!


???? You might want to read my post again. Have a look at the link I was quoting.



Dear Quantum,
Longweekend is either your very close friend or you're his sock puppet.
It's so obvious.

cheers
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Reply #176 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 10:02pm
 
Quantum wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:54pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:39pm:
Quantum wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:28pm:
You have been keeping that thing going for 4 months


this thread was started 3 days ago !!!!!


???? You might want to read my post again. Have a look at the link I was quoting.



you didn't actually quote a link ... bobby did .... you said 'this thread', I assumed you meant this thread . Perfectly natural I think.
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Reply #177 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 10:10pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 10:02pm:
Quantum wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:54pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:39pm:
Quantum wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:28pm:
You have been keeping that thing going for 4 months


this thread was started 3 days ago !!!!!


???? You might want to read my post again. Have a look at the link I was quoting.



you didn't actually quote a link ... bobby did ....


Actually bobby posted the link. I quoted it.

Quote:
you said 'this thread', I assumed you meant this thread . Perfectly natural I think.


Which was an easy misunderstanding on a forum. Hence why I didn't make anything of it.
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Reply #178 - Apr 26th, 2013 at 2:13am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 8:45am:
hey drongo... public schools don't have tuition fees. the term 'low fee' is one relative to private schools. try and keep on the same page as everyone else, okay?


I didn't actually say anything about "tuition fees." The article I mentioned was comparing the overall cost of private and public education for parents. You are once again talking about something that isn't actually there, making inaccurate statements about what I actually said. There are other costs apart from tuition fees that parents must pay for either public or private education.

What you just said about low fees is just what I thought. They are still much higher than the costs in public schools, meaning it was quite pointless for you to even mention that.
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Reply #179 - Apr 26th, 2013 at 2:13am
 
Torpedo wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 11:08am:
No, sometimes people just don't have that choice, so they'd rather move to a different school instead of continue putting up with what they have. What do you think would be more affordable, choosing private school or buying a house in a better area?

Not all private schools are equivalent to The Kings or St Josephs, some small schools are quite reasonable and yet provide better standards than average public school. Catholic schools are one example. I am not saying all private schools are amazing, I am just saying that if you were unfortunate enough to end up in the wrong place, and can't afford to move, you should be able to at least have a choice of a different school, not only the one in your area.


Well, that's fair enough. A few months ago I heard on the radio a conversation where a woman called in saying that their family's annual income was $200k, yet somehow that wasn't enough. It got me thinking. How could people get themselves in a situation like that? My theory was that they either had a mortgage on an expensive house, sent their kids to a private school or both. I just don't have sympathy for high-income households that put themselves in a situation like that. They are not going to convince me that an annual $200k income isn't enough when it isn't that hard to cut costs. It is something I wouldn't encourage or support.

I suppose people like you would be an exception: single parents in a low socio-economic environment who can't afford to move. Maybe the government could offer the equivalent of HECS in these low socio-economic areas for students in private secondary schools where you only have to pay a third of the full fee. The government pays the rest. It would be limited to low-income families, say an annual income below $50k. Above $50k the assistance offered gradually drops, reaching zero for incomes at $100k+ and the fees go back up to the full fee. I would prefer this over increasing funding for private schools.

Torpedo wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 11:08am:
And if you think that by flooding public schools with more funding you would get better results you are also wrong, all it will be is you will get more strikes in the future demanding more funding.


How is more funding not going to help? Private schools get their resources through higher fees (including tuition). Assuming more money means higher quality teaching, the main reason public schools do worse is likely to be because they have fewer resources than the private ones. The solution then is to give the public schools the resources they need. I get the impression you think of public schools as like an aging cancer patient on his last days.

I think the real reason why public schools are doing so badly nowadays is because they have been underfunded. See this article, published in July 2000.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2000/07/eba-j19.html

Torpedo wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 11:08am:
The funding that is provided today is really more than enough for teachers to shut up and do their work, yet, I have a friend who's child has behavioural problems, the public school demanded her to go through all kinds of tests, she cooperated, she ended up quitting her job. How does school participate? heh, they call her everytime they can't deal with the small child, after all the trouble she went through, after all the tests she had to do, they've received the funding, but are they doing anything different? Not much!
Here is your more funding for public schools.

Not saying we shouldn't fund public schools, but people are people, it's like how I told you about large organisations, they don't work, they only get paid. It's instilled in Australians. You'd have to change the attitude first before you pile them up with unnecessary funds.


As weird as this may sound, I've heard that behavioural problems are often the result of food intolerance. The processed food we often eat nowadays contain chemicals that can affect children's moods. Maybe your friend could take her child to a dietician or nutritionist. I don't think the schools can really do anything about it if it's her diet that's causing her to misbehave.

I don't think private schools are immune to mismanagement. Read this story about Methodist Ladies' College. They paid their staff much more than their equivalents in the public school system. Same skills, experience and expertise. Higher salaries. They really didn't need that extra money.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/a-school-lesson-on-equity-20121014-27k...

Torpedo wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 11:08am:
Private schools, on the other hand, realise how hard it is for parents to get around with payments so they do all they can to make sure that at least the expected standards are there, and they, not you, teach your kid.


Well, that's what the tuition fees are for, to guarantee teacher performance. It's part of the contract you have with the school. With public schools you have no such contract. Their contract is with the government.
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