Australian Politics Forum - GST to rise to 15%

red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #30 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 1:48pm This is the result of voting in Economic Vandals. The illegal boats alone have cost 6 billion dollars. It will take years and years to peel back the 180 odd billion dollars in overseas debt that Gillard and Co. have racked up.
Back to top	IP Logged

Bobby.

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 104688
Melbourne
Gender: male

Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #31 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 6:28pm

red baron wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 1:48pm:

This is the result of voting in Economic Vandals.

The illegal boats alone have cost 6 billion dollars.

It will take years and years to peel back the 180 odd billion dollars in overseas debt that Gillard and Co. have racked up.

The debt is far more than $180 billion.
I don't know how Abbott will ever pay it back.
So many businesses are down sizing & closing.
The economy is in ruins & I expect it to go on for decades.

The only question now is which country to go and live in?

Back to top

IP Logged

it_is_the_light

Gold Member

Offline

Christ Light

Posts: 41434
The Pyramid of LIGHT
Gender: male

Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #32 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 6:31pm

red baron wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 1:48pm:

This is the result of voting in Economic Vandals.

The illegal boats alone have cost 6 billion dollars.

It will take years and years to peel back the 180 odd billion dollars in overseas debt that Gillard and Co. have racked up.

you have no time to pay this back

it will have doubled in 2 weeks the way you give your

power away to the puppets by voting them in..

2 horse pantomime and both horses freemasonic

namaste

- : )

Back to top

ॐ May Much LOVE and CHRISTS LIGHT be upon and within us all.... namasté ▲ - : ) ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯

IP Logged

Dnarever

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 58507
Here
Gender: male

Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #33 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 6:48pm

Swagman wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:11pm:

The GST should've been 15% from 1993 as Hewson proposed.

20 years with 50% more GST revenue would have achieved wonders in health & education.

Thanks to Keating the GST was postponed & watered down.

Labor shot themselves in the foot and Aust with it there

With the term the Liberals had in power health & education would still be struggling but we would have some trillionairs in the business community .

Back to top

IP Logged

... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #34 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 6:57pm Kat wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:19am: I would *strongly* oppose an attempt to raise the GST under *any* circumstances. And so you should. So should everyone - what strain of stockholm syndrome would cause any private citizen to be in favour of increasing taxes?
Back to top	In the fullness of time... IP Logged

Bobby.

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 104688
Melbourne
Gender: male

Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #35 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 7:09pm

... wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 6:57pm:

Kat wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:19am:

I would strongly oppose an attempt to raise the GST under any circumstances.

And so you should. So should everyone - what strain of stockholm syndrome would cause any private citizen to be in favour of increasing taxes?

Yes - it's so hard to run a business & employ people now -
what will it be like when GST rises to 15%?

I must add that I shall shortly be a victim of the economic downturn -
thanks Kevin & Julia.

Back to top

IP Logged

Chimp_Logic

Gold Member

Offline

πολιτικός

Posts: 4826
Mawson Base
Gender: male

Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #36 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 7:15pm

If the Rich and corporate elite actually paid Tax then we wouldn't even need a GST in the first place

Last financial year. 40% of the top 100 corporations didn't pay any tax at all. The remaining, typically paid about 15% on average

Remove the scams and tax dodging schemes and the burden on the common citizen will be reduced and proper services and infrastructure funded

Back to top

Mini Ice Age (2014-2029)
Dr Sircus cures cancer with Baking Soda and Magnesium - Jethro the MENTAL GIANT & his flute madness

IP Logged

cods

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 88048

Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #37 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 7:20pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 7:15pm:

If the Rich and corporate elite actually paid Tax then we wouldn't even need a GST in the first place

Last financial year. 40% of the top 100 corporations didn't pay any tax at all. The remaining, typically paid about 15% on average

Remove the scams and tax dodging schemes and the burden on the common citizen will be reduced and proper services and infrastructure funded

and how about our pollies NO MORE TAX FREE expense accounts..no more subsidised lunches.and duty free drinks..

Im all for that..

drive their own bloody cars and get a fuel rebate..like anyone else.

they are no more special than anyone else.

Back to top

IP Logged

longweekend58

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male

Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #38 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:13pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:33pm:

Chimp,
Quote:

Gonski's recommendations are fine provided that private education system is left out of the money loop.

Dear Chimp,
Is it fair that the rich pay twice -
once for their own kids & again for other people's kids to get an education?

They don't pay twice ... they pay taxes just like everyone else ... you don't get a say in where those taxes are spent, the govt. on the other hand has a duty to provide free education for everyone ... anything above and beyond that (ie. fuinding private schools) is an extravagence we cannot afford.

should they chose to go to private education, that is their choice .... why should my taxes subsidies their private schooling?

so on one hand you say we dont get to choose where our taxes are spent and then you complain about where your taxes are spent...

what a classic!

Back to top

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

IP Logged

longweekend58

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male

Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #39 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:16pm

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 11:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:33pm:

Dear Chimp,
Is it fair that the rich pay twice - once for their own kids & again for other people's kids to get an education?

I don't know what the problem is. The government could just give them a tax refund for private schooling fees.

Most of the rich's income is disposable income anyway. It's not necessary for survival. The rich will not starve to death from being over-taxed. All they have to do is spend less on real-estate and residential property, mansions, butlers, cleaners, maids, babysitters, cosmetic surgery, luxury products and jewelry. They spend a lot of their money on unnecessarily goods, services and private property that are not capital goods and do not contribute to the economy. Much of their disposable income comes from a market highly distorted in their favour where the rewards are not strictly proportional to the human effort put in, but follow a non-linear, exponential relationship. In other words, not only do they not need all that wealth, they don't deserve all of it.

To each according to his need and effort.

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50pm:

should they chose to go to private education, that is their choice .... why should my taxes subsidies their private schooling?

Exactly. Why should I pay for their private education when they can already pay? It makes private education just as cheap as public education. It makes it even harder for public school students to compete with private ones. Now it seems like private school students are getting a free ride. I would rather that it was the other way round: stop supporting these private schools, force them to charge higher fees and possibly go broke.

pretty poor argument. Why should I pay for your public education? you can pay for it yourself. You just have to go without some things just like the majority of private school parents do now.

Back to top

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

IP Logged

longweekend58

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male

Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #40 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:19pm

... wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 6:57pm:

Kat wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:19am:

I would strongly oppose an attempt to raise the GST under any circumstances.

And so you should. So should everyone - what strain of stockholm syndrome would cause any private citizen to be in favour of increasing taxes?

where have you been? this forum is full of drongos thatr oppose tax cuts and think tax should be increased. Oh but I forget . they want taxes increased for OTHER people! Im in favour of a 15% GST if it is revenue neutral and removes other taxes such as stamp duty and payroll tax. just as the original GST was revenue neutral.

Back to top

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

IP Logged

Swagman

Gold Member

Offline

Beware of cheap imitations......

Posts: 15095
Illawarra NSW
Gender: male

Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #41 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 10:10pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 6:48pm:

Swagman wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:11pm:

The GST should've been 15% from 1993 as Hewson proposed.

20 years with 50% more GST revenue would have achieved wonders in health & education.

Thanks to Keating the GST was postponed & watered down.

Labor shot themselves in the foot and Aust with it there

With the term the Liberals had in power health & education would still be struggling but we would have some trillionairs in the business community .

It took nearly 10 years to pay off Labor's debt.

10 YEARS!!!!!!!

How long to pay off the $270 odd Billion Labor have racked up so far.

Just the interest bill on that $96 Billion Labor debt could have made a big difference. What's going to be the opportunity cost of Labor's latest spending binge? Sad

... wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 6:57pm:

And so you should. So should everyone - what strain of stockholm syndrome would cause any private citizen to be in favour of increasing taxes

The NBN is a tax increase.

Every Labor budget brought down in the last 20 years has been a tax increase.

If you want universal healthcare and you have more retirees and less taxpayers you have to raise taxes or sell assets.

Govt debt is a tax increase. Sad

Back to top

IP Logged

Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104688 Melbourne Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #42 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 10:15pm Swag, Quote: How long to pay off the $270 odd Billion Labor have racked up so far. The debt will never be paid - it will only increase - no matter who is in power.
Back to top	IP Logged

Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #43 - Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 11:27pm ...about 95% of Australia's TOTAL debt resides in Private/Corporate hands Media very quiet on that front (but then again the Media is also as corporately owned entity and in debt as well)
Back to top	Mini Ice Age (2014-2029) Dr Sircus cures cancer with Baking Soda and Magnesium - Jethro the MENTAL GIANT & his flute madness IP Logged

Mnemonic

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 1530
Melbourne
Gender: male

Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #44 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 12:47am

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:16pm:

pretty poor argument. Why should I pay for your public education? you can pay for it yourself.

I wonder if you even understand the difference between a private and public education. You probably think that people just pay more for one than the other. You should know that "public schools" are often called "government schools" as well. That's because the government provides a large portion of the funds for public education. A lot of people send their kids to public schools because they cannot afford private schooling.

Private schools fund their education programs through higher fees. (It's like buying a Mac instead of a PC.) This is how they are able to make themselves independent of government funding, and is why people sometimes also call them "independent schools." In theory, they are able to remain profitable or financially viable without government help. Whether or not they receive government funding anyway is another matter. The difference, however, is still parents contributing a large portion of the costs. Private schools are for people who are able to pay whereas public schools are for people who are not able to pay, or don't want to pay.

The answer, therefore is no. A lot of people cannot pay for public education themselves. What they do pay in fees is a small portion of the total cost of the education, much of which the government provides.

If people want a higher quality of education in private schools, they should just pay higher fees or purchase additional benefits. Government funding for private/independent schools defeats the purpose of having independent schools.

Back to top

IP Logged

Poll
Question: Should the GST rise to 15% to stop Govt. bankruptcy?
yes 4 (21.1%) no 14 (73.7%) not sure 1 (5.3%) Total votes: 19 « Created by: Bobby. on: Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 11:12pm »