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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #45 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:23am

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:16pm:

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 11:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:33pm:

Dear Chimp,
Is it fair that the rich pay twice - once for their own kids & again for other people's kids to get an education?

I don't know what the problem is. The government could just give them a tax refund for private schooling fees.

Most of the rich's income is disposable income anyway. It's not necessary for survival. The rich will not starve to death from being over-taxed. All they have to do is spend less on real-estate and residential property, mansions, butlers, cleaners, maids, babysitters, cosmetic surgery, luxury products and jewelry. They spend a lot of their money on unnecessarily goods, services and private property that are not capital goods and do not contribute to the economy. Much of their disposable income comes from a market highly distorted in their favour where the rewards are not strictly proportional to the human effort put in, but follow a non-linear, exponential relationship. In other words, not only do they not need all that wealth, they don't deserve all of it.

To each according to his need and effort.

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50pm:

should they chose to go to private education, that is their choice .... why should my taxes subsidies their private schooling?

Exactly. Why should I pay for their private education when they can already pay? It makes private education just as cheap as public education. It makes it even harder for public school students to compete with private ones. Now it seems like private school students are getting a free ride. I would rather that it was the other way round: stop supporting these private schools, force them to charge higher fees and possibly go broke.

pretty poor argument. Why should I pay for your public education? you can pay for it yourself. You just have to go without some things just like the majority of private school parents do now.

If anyone has to "go without" to put their kid in a private school they shouldn't be using a private school. I expect the things they "do without" though are the 3rd car etc whereas ppl that have to "do without" to send their kids to public school do without a car @ all kinda thing.

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #46 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:26am

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:19pm:

... wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 6:57pm:

Kat wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:19am:

I would strongly oppose an attempt to raise the GST under any circumstances.

And so you should. So should everyone - what strain of stockholm syndrome would cause any private citizen to be in favour of increasing taxes?

where have you been? this forum is full of drongos thatr oppose tax cuts and think tax should be increased. Oh but I forget . they want taxes increased for OTHER people! Im in favour of a 15% GST if it is revenue neutral and removes other taxes such as stamp duty and payroll tax. just as the original GST was revenue neutral.

The original GST proposal was that it would remove lots of other taxes the majority of which were not removed but merely renamed. Some werent even renamed (stamp duty was 1 wasnt it?)

@ least we dont have a bedroom tax like the UK. I have a friend there whose wife left him and took the kid so now he has to pay a bedroom tax for having a spare bedroom.

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #47 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 7:34am

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:19pm:

... wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 6:57pm:

Kat wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:19am:

I would strongly oppose an attempt to raise the GST under any circumstances.

And so you should. So should everyone - what strain of stockholm syndrome would cause any private citizen to be in favour of increasing taxes?

where have you been? this forum is full of drongos thatr oppose tax cuts and think tax should be increased. Oh but I forget . they want taxes increased for OTHER people! Im in favour of a 15% GST if it is revenue neutral and removes other taxes such as stamp duty and payroll tax. just as the original GST was revenue neutral.

Longy,
It can't be revenue neutral.
The Govt. needs more money otherwise it will be broke.
It's already broke & borrowing money just to pay all the public servants.

100,000 new public servants were hired when there was no money to pay for them.

This fiscal situation was caused by Labor & happened even when there was a mining boom.

Tony is silent on all of this because he knows the only answer is to sack
100,000 public servants & have a 15% GST.

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Reply #48 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:11am

If they raise the GST they will also have to compensate those on welfare like pensioners. Any government that raises the GST has a death wish, especially in its first term.
They would probably have a better chance of selling the broadening of the GST to cover everything, including food, even the cake with or without the fresh cream added.

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #49 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:14am On a personal note I would prefer to pay a higher GST, even 20% but have income tax reduced or the tax free threshold lifted to 30 or 40 grand.
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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #50 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:20am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:33pm:

Chimp,
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Gonski's recommendations are fine provided that private education system is left out of the money loop.

Dear Chimp,
Is it fair that the rich pay twice -
once for their own kids & again for other people's kids to get an education?

They don't pay twice ... they pay taxes just like everyone else ... you don't get a say in where those taxes are spent, the govt. on the other hand has a duty to provide free education for everyone ... anything above and beyond that (ie. fuinding private schools) is an extravagence we cannot afford.

should they chose to go to private education, that is their choice .... why should my taxes subsidies their private schooling?

Otherwise there will be a Labor induced class war.

We already have that it was introduced by labor (this government). when they started with this, we will help WORKING FAMILIES policy.

If you not a Working family your nothing.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #51 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:34am skippy. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:14am: On a personal note I would prefer to pay a higher GST, even 20% but have income tax reduced or the tax free threshold lifted to 30 or 40 grand. OMG that's the most sensible thing I've seen you post.
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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #52 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:44am

You see this is the great bloody black financial hole that LABOR has dug for us all. Spend, spend, spend, spend...and it will be the poor old Liberals who will be the lambs to the slaughter to lead our Country out of the financial wilderness that Gillard and Co. has thrust us in.

It is almost inconceivable that in six short years this useless bloody Government of Financial Idiots could take us from surplus and good prospects to the black hole we are now in.

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #53 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:23am

red baron wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:44am:

You see this is the great bloody black financial hole that LABOR has dug for us all. Spend, spend, spend, spend...and it will be the poor old Liberals who will be the lambs to the slaughter to lead our Country out of the financial wilderness that Gillard and Co. has thrust us in.

It is almost inconceivable that in six short years this useless bloody Government of Financial Idiots could take us from surplus and good prospects to the black hole we are now in.

All during an unprecedented mining boom too.... Sad

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #54 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:42am

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 12:47am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:16pm:

pretty poor argument. Why should I pay for your public education? you can pay for it yourself.

I wonder if you even understand the difference between a private and public education. You probably think that people just pay more for one than the other. You should know that "public schools" are often called "government schools" as well. That's because the government provides a large portion of the funds for public education. A lot of people send their kids to public schools because they cannot afford private schooling.

Private schools fund their education programs through higher fees. (It's like buying a Mac instead of a PC.) This is how they are able to make themselves independent of government funding, and is why people sometimes also call them "independent schools." In theory, they are able to remain profitable or financially viable without government help. Whether or not they receive government funding anyway is another matter. The difference, however, is still parents contributing a large portion of the costs. Private schools are for people who are able to pay whereas public schools are for people who are not able to pay, or don't want to pay.

The answer, therefore is no. A lot of people cannot pay for public education themselves. What they do pay in fees is a small portion of the total cost of the education, much of which the government provides.

If people want a higher quality of education in private schools, they should just pay higher fees or purchase additional benefits. Government funding for private/independent schools defeats the purpose of having independent schools.

that is a very confused and blinkered opinion. you also clearly know nothing at all about private schools. The vast majority of them are low fee schools which are COMPLETELY UNVIABLE without govt funding. remove that funding and the vast majority of those kids are back in public schools at 30% more funding per head than currently.

If you dont want to pay for my kids schooling (at a 30% discount) then I see no reason why I should pay for yours.

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #55 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:43am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:23am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:16pm:

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 11:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:33pm:

Dear Chimp,
Is it fair that the rich pay twice - once for their own kids & again for other people's kids to get an education?

I don't know what the problem is. The government could just give them a tax refund for private schooling fees.

Most of the rich's income is disposable income anyway. It's not necessary for survival. The rich will not starve to death from being over-taxed. All they have to do is spend less on real-estate and residential property, mansions, butlers, cleaners, maids, babysitters, cosmetic surgery, luxury products and jewelry. They spend a lot of their money on unnecessarily goods, services and private property that are not capital goods and do not contribute to the economy. Much of their disposable income comes from a market highly distorted in their favour where the rewards are not strictly proportional to the human effort put in, but follow a non-linear, exponential relationship. In other words, not only do they not need all that wealth, they don't deserve all of it.

To each according to his need and effort.

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50pm:

should they chose to go to private education, that is their choice .... why should my taxes subsidies their private schooling?

Exactly. Why should I pay for their private education when they can already pay? It makes private education just as cheap as public education. It makes it even harder for public school students to compete with private ones. Now it seems like private school students are getting a free ride. I would rather that it was the other way round: stop supporting these private schools, force them to charge higher fees and possibly go broke.

pretty poor argument. Why should I pay for your public education? you can pay for it yourself. You just have to go without some things just like the majority of private school parents do now.

If anyone has to "go without" to put their kid in a private school they shouldn't be using a private school. I expect the things they "do without" though are the 3rd car etc whereas ppl that have to "do without" to send their kids to public school do without a car @ all kinda thing.

SOB

never had kids right? never had that parental drive to go without for your kids sake?

well at least you didnt breed.

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dingo2 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 463 Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #56 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 12:41pm Having another go at BOAG insted of dicussing the topic. GST to rise to 15%
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Quantum Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3373	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #57 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 1:16pm dingo2 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 12:41pm: Having another go at BOAG I just don't get it. Do you not know an R from an A?
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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #58 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 1:18pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:23am:

If anyone has to "go without" to put their kid in a private school they shouldn't be using a private school. I expect the things they "do without" though are the 3rd car etc whereas ppl that have to "do without" to send their kids to public school do without a car @ all kinda thing.

SOB

If they can't afford to send their kids to a public school, then they can't afford to have kids in the first place.

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #59 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 1:43pm

dingo2 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

Having another go at BOAG insted of dicussing the topic.

GST to rise to 15%

I see the poll has 9 NOs so far but no reasons for it?

If you want increased services and increased hand outs and increased infrastructure then tax revenues have to increase.

Everyone pays GST so its the most equitable, sustainable & fairest way to go...... Sad

It taxes the black economy

It taxes tourists

It taxes drug dealers

It scoops in tax revenues from where the tax man can't get.

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Question: Should the GST rise to 15% to stop Govt. bankruptcy?
yes 4 (21.1%) no 14 (73.7%) not sure 1 (5.3%) Total votes: 19 « Created by: Bobby. on: Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 11:12pm »