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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #60 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 4:48pm

Swagman wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 1:43pm:

dingo2 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

Having another go at BOAG insted of dicussing the topic.

GST to rise to 15%

I see the poll has 9 NOs so far but no reasons for it?

If you want increased services and increased hand outs and increased infrastructure then tax revenues have to increase.

Everyone pays GST so its the most equitable, sustainable & fairest way to go...... Sad

It taxes the black economy

It taxes tourists

It taxes drug dealers

It scoops in tax revenues from where the tax man can't get.

there is another option: cutting unnecessary expenditure.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #61 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 4:50pm Quantum wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 1:16pm: dingo2 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 12:41pm: Having another go at BOAG I just don't get it. Do you not know an R from an A? he supports SOB... doesn't that fully explain your query?
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Quantum Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3373	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #62 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:11pm longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 4:50pm: Quantum wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 1:16pm: dingo2 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 12:41pm: Having another go at BOAG I just don't get it. Do you not know an R from an A? he supports SOB... doesn't that fully explain your query? True that.
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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #63 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:14pm

Quantum wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Quantum wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:

dingo2 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

Having another go at BOAG

I just don't get it. Do you not know an R from an A?

he supports SOB... doesn't that fully explain your query?

True that.

sometimes around here a person with an Iq of 80 stands about the crowd.

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #64 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:37pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:14pm:

Quantum wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Quantum wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:

dingo2 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

Having another go at BOAG

I just don't get it. Do you not know an R from an A?

he supports SOB... doesn't that fully explain your query?

True that.

sometimes around here a person with an Iq of 80 stands about the crowd.

I wouldn't be criticising anyone's IQ dopey ... it's stand ABOVE the crowd, not about the crowd ...

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #65 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:47pm

Quantum wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 1:18pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:23am:

If anyone has to "go without" to put their kid in a private school they shouldn't be using a private school. I expect the things they "do without" though are the 3rd car etc whereas ppl that have to "do without" to send their kids to public school do without a car @ all kinda thing.

SOB

If they can't afford to send their kids to a public school, then they can't afford to have kids in the first place.

your nothing But a UNCARING bastard QUANTUM

Education is FREE, the Same as health services.

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dingo2 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 463 Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #66 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:51pm [/quot I see the poll has 9 NOs so far but no reasons for it? If you want increased services and increased hand outs and increased infrastructure then tax revenues have to increase. [/quote] No all the ellitist BASTARDS out there have to go with a little less. The same as the rest of us.
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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #67 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:54pm

dingo2 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:47pm:

Quantum wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 1:18pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:23am:

If anyone has to "go without" to put their kid in a private school they shouldn't be using a private school. I expect the things they "do without" though are the 3rd car etc whereas ppl that have to "do without" to send their kids to public school do without a car @ all kinda thing.

SOB

If they can't afford to send their kids to a public school, then they can't afford to have kids in the first place.

your nothing But a UNCARING bastard QUANTUM

Then you explain how people who can afford to have kids can't afford to send them somewhere that is mostly free.

If uniforms, school fees, and books, are going to break the budget, then how could you afford the real expenses that kids bring to a household?

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Reply #68 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:57pm

Quantum wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:54pm:

dingo2 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:47pm:

Quantum wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 1:18pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:23am:

If anyone has to "go without" to put their kid in a private school they shouldn't be using a private school. I expect the things they "do without" though are the 3rd car etc whereas ppl that have to "do without" to send their kids to public school do without a car @ all kinda thing.

SOB

If they can't afford to send their kids to a public school, then they can't afford to have kids in the first place.

your nothing But a UNCARING bastard QUANTUM

Then you explain how people who can afford to have kids can't afford to send them somewhere that is mostly free.

If uniforms, school fees, and books, are going to break the budget, then how could you afford the real expenses that kids bring to a household?

for parents struggling to pay, those things are often provided free of charge or at greatly reduced rates.

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #69 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:57pm

Swagman wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 1:43pm:

dingo2 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

Having another go at BOAG insted of dicussing the topic.

GST to rise to 15%

I see the poll has 9 NOs so far but no reasons for it?

If you want increased services and increased hand outs and increased infrastructure then tax revenues have to increase.

Everyone pays GST so its the most equitable, sustainable & fairest way to go...... Sad

It taxes the black economy

It taxes tourists NOT entirely - they are able to claim it back !!

It taxes drug dealers Yeh, in your dreams!!

It scoops in tax revenues from where the tax man can't get. Yes, like off the low paid and pensioners who cannot really afford it while leaving the high income earners to pay less income tax! That's where it should come from!!

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dingo2 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 463 Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #70 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:59pm If anyone has to "go without" There not the ones that are sending their kids to private schools.
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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #71 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:59pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:06pm:

From another discussion board & I also saw it on TV this morning:

http://community.ebay.com.au/topic/Community-Spirit/Budget/600158525

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THE BUDGET
Apr 22, 2013 07:07 AM

I listened to Amanda Vanstone and Grahame Richardson this morning and what I heard was very concerning.

They both agreed that what ever party wins the election in September the GST will most likely rise at some stage to at least 15% because the deficit at this stage ( and rising) is so huge and there is NO money in the coffers.

The mining boom has weakened somewhat and this government has grossly overspent, the OZ dollar is to strong against other currencies but GR stated any credible treasury department would have foreseen and taken appropriate measures long before now because the OZ dollar has been high for over 2 years.

The Swan budget will be interesting but I think it will be his "swan song"

And you believe Richardson? One of the biggest liars around - bar Gillard!!

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Reply #72 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 6:15pm

Sorry, All you ellitist Bastards have to go with a little less, (maybe get rid of the second mobile phone) For the Good of the Country, including Liberal and Labor party supporters, just like the rest of us effected by this economic recession that got worse since the GFC.

Don't give us 15% GST tax to those of us not wasting the countrys money.

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Reply #73 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 6:38pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:42am:

The vast majority of them are low fee schools which are COMPLETELY UNVIABLE without govt funding. remove that funding and the vast majority of those kids are back in public schools at 30% more funding per head than currently.

Have a look at this article.

http://www.theage.com.au/data-point/private-fees-mount-as-education-costs-soar-2...

I downloaded the data and put it in a spreadsheet:

Just what exactly do you mean by "low fees?" Private school fees on average are 5 to 8 times higher than public school ones. See the data shown in the above web page. They don't seem "low" to me at all so it looks like you're being a little dishonest here. A "vast majority" of private schools cannot be charging "low fees" if on average their fees are 5 to 8 times higher than public schools, because as you know the mean/average of anything reflects the "vast majority" of whatever you're measuring. This is a feeble attempt to understate the value of private school fees.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:42am:

If you dont want to pay for my kids schooling (at a 30% discount) then I see no reason why I should pay for yours.

I should not be responsible or liable for the costs of giving your kids a more expensive education. The taxes I pay should only go to public schools. You had a choice between cheaper goods and services but chose something more expensive anyway. I will not support a kind of education I never needed myself. I will only pay for your kids' schooling if it's the same kind of education I received. I have no desire to have my taxes going to an "optional" form of education.

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Reply #74 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 7:26pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:43am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:23am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2013 at 8:16pm:

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 11:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:33pm:

Dear Chimp,
Is it fair that the rich pay twice - once for their own kids & again for other people's kids to get an education?

I don't know what the problem is. The government could just give them a tax refund for private schooling fees.

Most of the rich's income is disposable income anyway. It's not necessary for survival. The rich will not starve to death from being over-taxed. All they have to do is spend less on real-estate and residential property, mansions, butlers, cleaners, maids, babysitters, cosmetic surgery, luxury products and jewelry. They spend a lot of their money on unnecessarily goods, services and private property that are not capital goods and do not contribute to the economy. Much of their disposable income comes from a market highly distorted in their favour where the rewards are not strictly proportional to the human effort put in, but follow a non-linear, exponential relationship. In other words, not only do they not need all that wealth, they don't deserve all of it.

To each according to his need and effort.

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50pm:

should they chose to go to private education, that is their choice .... why should my taxes subsidies their private schooling?

Exactly. Why should I pay for their private education when they can already pay? It makes private education just as cheap as public education. It makes it even harder for public school students to compete with private ones. Now it seems like private school students are getting a free ride. I would rather that it was the other way round: stop supporting these private schools, force them to charge higher fees and possibly go broke.

pretty poor argument. Why should I pay for your public education? you can pay for it yourself. You just have to go without some things just like the majority of private school parents do now.

If anyone has to "go without" to put their kid in a private school they shouldn't be using a private school. I expect the things they "do without" though are the 3rd car etc whereas ppl that have to "do without" to send their kids to public school do without a car @ all kinda thing.

SOB

never had kids right? never had that parental drive to go without for your kids sake?

well at least you didnt breed.

Dear Longweekend,
your adherence to Nazi ideology has been noted -
the inferior should be prevented from breeding.

Hitler - Mein Kampf:

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch11.html

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Any crossing of two beings not at exactly the same level produces a medium between the level of the two parents. This means: the offspring will probably stand higher than the racially lower parent, but not as high as the higher one. Consequently, it will later succumb in the struggle against the higher level.
Such mating is contrary to the will of Nature for a higher breeding of all life.
The precondition for this does not lie in associating superior and inferior, but in the total victory of the former. The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weaker, thus sacrificing his own greatness. Only the born weakling can view this as cruel, but he after all is only a weak and limited man; for if this law did not prevail, any conceivable higher development of organic living beings would be unthinkable.

Longweekend,
You are forgiven for promulgating Nazi ideology on Ozpolitic.

namaste.

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Question: Should the GST rise to 15% to stop Govt. bankruptcy?
yes 4 (21.1%) no 14 (73.7%) not sure 1 (5.3%) Total votes: 19 « Created by: Bobby. on: Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 11:12pm »