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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #75 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:04pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 4:48pm:

Swagman wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 1:43pm:

dingo2 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

Having another go at BOAG insted of dicussing the topic.

GST to rise to 15%

I see the poll has 9 NOs so far but no reasons for it?

If you want increased services and increased hand outs and increased infrastructure then tax revenues have to increase.

Everyone pays GST so its the most equitable, sustainable & fairest way to go...... Sad

It taxes the black economy

It taxes tourists

It taxes drug dealers

It scoops in tax revenues from where the tax man can't get.

there is another option: cutting unnecessary expenditure.

Dear Longweekend,
I agree -
for a start there are too many public servants.

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #78 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:33pm

Quantum wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:54pm:

dingo2 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:47pm:

Quantum wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 1:18pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 5:23am:

If anyone has to "go without" to put their kid in a private school they shouldn't be using a private school. I expect the things they "do without" though are the 3rd car etc whereas ppl that have to "do without" to send their kids to public school do without a car @ all kinda thing.

SOB

If they can't afford to send their kids to a public school, then they can't afford to have kids in the first place.

your nothing But a UNCARING bastard QUANTUM

Then you explain how people who can afford to have kids can't afford to send them somewhere that is mostly free.

If uniforms, school fees, and books, are going to break the budget, then how could you afford the real expenses that kids bring to a household?

do what the Fins do and don't have stupid school uniforms which is just another get rich quick scam business.

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #79 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:45pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50pm:

...duty to provide free education for everyone ... anything above and beyond that (ie. fuinding private schools) is an extravagence we cannot afford.

They can not afford: $1000 give aways, Insulation, Set top boxes, Solar panels... Asylums!!! A little help to those who choose to send their kids to private schooling (for whatever reason that may be, however, mostly because public schools are horrible socially and academically) is nothing in comparison to all the above. After all, public schools will only benefit from this, as it will only put more pressure on this already dumb enough public education.

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If GST rises by 5%, then your income must also rise by 5%. Which means you will either become unemployed or underpaid. Choose wisely

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #80 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:48pm

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50pm:

...duty to provide free education for everyone ... anything above and beyond that (ie. fuinding private schools) is an extravagence we cannot afford.

They can not afford: $1000 give aways, Insulation, Set top boxes, Solar panels... Asylums!!! A little help to those who choose to send their kids to private schooling (for whatever reason that may be, however, mostly because public schools are horrible socially and academically) is nothing in comparison to all the above. After all, public schools will only benefit from this, as it will only put more pressure on this already dumb enough public education.

it has nothing to do with insulaltion, solar panels or anything else ... trying to link them together shows you have no real idea ...

you want private education, you pay ... govt. already pays once for an education system (as it should) ... why should it pay for two?

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #81 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:55pm

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50pm:

...duty to provide free education for everyone ... anything above and beyond that (ie. fuinding private schools) is an extravagence we cannot afford.

They can not afford: $1000 give aways, Insulation, Set top boxes, Solar panels... Asylums!!! A little help to those who choose to send their kids to private schooling (for whatever reason that may be, however, mostly because public schools are horrible socially and academically) is nothing in comparison to all the above. After all, public schools will only benefit from this, as it will only put more pressure on this already dumb enough public education.

Hi Torpedo,
I agree,
it really annoys me when any politician stands on their soap box
& makes some pronouncement about say a new $ zillion scheme.

With what money?

They make promises with money they will borrow - money we don't have.

It's like some drunken loser standing outside a pub
promising everyone a drink - when they have no money.

Tony & JuLiar do it at least once per week.

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #82 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:15pm

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 6:38pm:

I should not be responsible or liable for the costs of giving your kids a more expensive education. The taxes I pay should only go to public schools. You had a choice between cheaper goods and services but chose something more expensive anyway.

are you saying that those who choose to go to different school, (be it because they live in a demographically undesired area, or low academic standards) should not really have that choice? So if they can't afford to move to StIves - is just a tough luck? And you decided to keep your kids in Public (either because you don't have the problems with location, or either because you preferred to save money rather than spending it on kids education, or whether you just can't afford an extra dollar for private education), but still get the 30% taxpayer's support? Do you really think that all the people who send their kids to private schools are rich? Do you really think that all people who pay for private schooling are just showing off?
Most people that I know struggle to pay bills, many private (particularly religious) schools sometimes even discount, or in some circumstances waive the fees completely until family recovers financially, when reasonable enough explanation provided.

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #83 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:18pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:55pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50pm:

...duty to provide free education for everyone ... anything above and beyond that (ie. fuinding private schools) is an extravagence we cannot afford.

They can not afford: $1000 give aways, Insulation, Set top boxes, Solar panels... Asylums!!! A little help to those who choose to send their kids to private schooling (for whatever reason that may be, however, mostly because public schools are horrible socially and academically) is nothing in comparison to all the above. After all, public schools will only benefit from this, as it will only put more pressure on this already dumb enough public education.

Hi Torpedo,
I agree,
it really annoys me when any politician stands on their soap box
& makes some pronouncement about say a new $ zillion scheme.

With what money?

They make promises with money they will borrow - money we don't have.

It's like some drunken loser standing outside a pub
promising everyone a drink - when they have no money.

Tony & JuLiar do it at least once per week.

well, it's typical for left wingers. I just don't understand why so many people buy it today, don't we all already know some history? It's like stepping on the rake over and over and over

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #84 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:20pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:48pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50pm:

...duty to provide free education for everyone ... anything above and beyond that (ie. fuinding private schools) is an extravagence we cannot afford.

They can not afford: $1000 give aways, Insulation, Set top boxes, Solar panels... Asylums!!! A little help to those who choose to send their kids to private schooling (for whatever reason that may be, however, mostly because public schools are horrible socially and academically) is nothing in comparison to all the above. After all, public schools will only benefit from this, as it will only put more pressure on this already dumb enough public education.

it has nothing to do with insulaltion, solar panels or anything else ... trying to link them together shows you have no real idea ...

you want private education, you pay ... govt. already pays once for an education system (as it should) ... why should it pay for two?

The system is one - educational system, which includes all kinds of educational organisations, so long they provide legitimate and fair academical standards. Those who choose to pay more, should be able to, simply because they have different plans. Why should they send them to Dundas public, just because they live in the area? they can't afford to move to Killara...

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #85 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:23pm

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:48pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50pm:

...duty to provide free education for everyone ... anything above and beyond that (ie. fuinding private schools) is an extravagence we cannot afford.

They can not afford: $1000 give aways, Insulation, Set top boxes, Solar panels... Asylums!!! A little help to those who choose to send their kids to private schooling (for whatever reason that may be, however, mostly because public schools are horrible socially and academically) is nothing in comparison to all the above. After all, public schools will only benefit from this, as it will only put more pressure on this already dumb enough public education.

it has nothing to do with insulaltion, solar panels or anything else ... trying to link them together shows you have no real idea ...

you want private education, you pay ... govt. already pays once for an education system (as it should) ... why should it pay for two?

The system is one - educational system, which includes all kinds of educational organisations, so long they provide legitimate and fair academical standards. Those who choose to pay more, should be able to, simply because they have different plans. Why should they send them to Dundas public, just because they live in the area? they can't afford to move to Killara...

no, there are two systems ... the public education system and the private education system ... if there was one this debate wouldn't be happening.

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #86 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:26pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:23pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:48pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50pm:

...duty to provide free education for everyone ... anything above and beyond that (ie. fuinding private schools) is an extravagence we cannot afford.

They can not afford: $1000 give aways, Insulation, Set top boxes, Solar panels... Asylums!!! A little help to those who choose to send their kids to private schooling (for whatever reason that may be, however, mostly because public schools are horrible socially and academically) is nothing in comparison to all the above. After all, public schools will only benefit from this, as it will only put more pressure on this already dumb enough public education.

it has nothing to do with insulaltion, solar panels or anything else ... trying to link them together shows you have no real idea ...

you want private education, you pay ... govt. already pays once for an education system (as it should) ... why should it pay for two?

The system is one - educational system, which includes all kinds of educational organisations, so long they provide legitimate and fair academical standards. Those who choose to pay more, should be able to, simply because they have different plans. Why should they send them to Dundas public, just because they live in the area? they can't afford to move to Killara...

no, there are two systems ... the public education system and the private education system ... if there was one this debate wouldn't be happening.

In your opinion... in my opinion education is education, be it public or private, they both fall under the same category and they both provide brighter future for the country.

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Reply #87 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:27pm

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:48pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50pm:

...duty to provide free education for everyone ... anything above and beyond that (ie. fuinding private schools) is an extravagence we cannot afford.

They can not afford: $1000 give aways, Insulation, Set top boxes, Solar panels... Asylums!!! A little help to those who choose to send their kids to private schooling (for whatever reason that may be, however, mostly because public schools are horrible socially and academically) is nothing in comparison to all the above. After all, public schools will only benefit from this, as it will only put more pressure on this already dumb enough public education.

it has nothing to do with insulaltion, solar panels or anything else ... trying to link them together shows you have no real idea ...

you want private education, you pay ... govt. already pays once for an education system (as it should) ... why should it pay for two?

The system is one - educational system, which includes all kinds of educational organisations, so long they provide legitimate and fair academical standards. Those who choose to pay more, should be able to, simply because they have different plans. Why should they send them to Dundas public, just because they live in the area? they can't afford to move to Killara...

You said it THOSE WHO CHOSE TO PAY MORE ... I've no problem with those chosing to pay more doing so ... it's your money, go for it. ... I have a problem with my tax dollars going toward you chosing to send your kids to private .... why should they? If i send my kids to private it is my choice and I will pay for it.

To use your argument, If I don't like my local shopping centre because of the local rif raf, why should't the govt. pay cab fare for me and my family to go to a more suitable shopping centre? Just because I cannot afford to live in the suburb with the nice shopping centre should I be punished for it?

It's a stupid argument.

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Reply #88 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:28pm

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:23pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:48pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50pm:

...duty to provide free education for everyone ... anything above and beyond that (ie. fuinding private schools) is an extravagence we cannot afford.

They can not afford: $1000 give aways, Insulation, Set top boxes, Solar panels... Asylums!!! A little help to those who choose to send their kids to private schooling (for whatever reason that may be, however, mostly because public schools are horrible socially and academically) is nothing in comparison to all the above. After all, public schools will only benefit from this, as it will only put more pressure on this already dumb enough public education.

it has nothing to do with insulaltion, solar panels or anything else ... trying to link them together shows you have no real idea ...

you want private education, you pay ... govt. already pays once for an education system (as it should) ... why should it pay for two?

The system is one - educational system, which includes all kinds of educational organisations, so long they provide legitimate and fair academical standards. Those who choose to pay more, should be able to, simply because they have different plans. Why should they send them to Dundas public, just because they live in the area? they can't afford to move to Killara...

no, there are two systems ... the public education system and the private education system ... if there was one this debate wouldn't be happening.

In your opinion... in my opinion education is education, be it public or private, they both fall under the same category and they both provide brighter future for the country.

thats like saying animals are animals you you and I are no different from Giraffe's .... we fall under the same category don't we?

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #89 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:34pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

You said it THOSE WHO CHOSE TO PAY MORE ... I've no problem with those chosing to pay more doing so ... it's your money, go for it. ... I have a problem with my tax dollars going toward you chosing to send your kids to private .... why should they? .

because if you don't then many of those private schools will raise their fees to the roof and the kids will be forced to go to public school in the area they live in! Which doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing!

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Question: Should the GST rise to 15% to stop Govt. bankruptcy?
yes 4 (21.1%) no 14 (73.7%) not sure 1 (5.3%) Total votes: 19 « Created by: Bobby. on: Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 11:12pm »