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Reply #90 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:34pm

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:26pm:

In your opinion... in my opinion education is education, be it public or private, they both fall under the same category and they both provide brighter future for the country.

I completely agree.
Public or private, education is education and both should see taxpayer money.
We have to look after all our children - let's not go labelling into public v private.

Let's not marginalise people. The education system should be treated the same.

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Reply #91 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:35pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

To use your argument, If I don't like my local shopping centre because of the local rif raf, why should't the govt. pay cab fare for me and my family to go to a more suitable shopping centre? Just because I cannot afford to live in the suburb with the nice shopping centre should I be punished for it?

Shopping centre - 5 minutes in 5 minutes out, you don't even have to communicate with local, what a silly comparison. At school you spend at least 6 hours of your daily life

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Torpedo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 867 Sydney Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #92 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:36pm .
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Reply #93 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:39pm

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

To use your argument, If I don't like my local shopping centre because of the local rif raf, why should't the govt. pay cab fare for me and my family to go to a more suitable shopping centre? Just because I cannot afford to live in the suburb with the nice shopping centre should I be punished for it?

Shopping centre - 5 minutes in 5 minutes out, you don't even have to communicate with local, what a silly comparison. At school you spend at least 6 hours of your daily life

I went shopping with my wife yesterday for what was supposed to be a quick trip ... it took 6 hours . Some women shop all day everyday ..... it is not the comparison that is silly, it is your argument , the comparison is valid.

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Reply #94 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:42pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:39pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

To use your argument, If I don't like my local shopping centre because of the local rif raf, why should't the govt. pay cab fare for me and my family to go to a more suitable shopping centre? Just because I cannot afford to live in the suburb with the nice shopping centre should I be punished for it?

Shopping centre - 5 minutes in 5 minutes out, you don't even have to communicate with local, what a silly comparison. At school you spend at least 6 hours of your daily life

I went shopping with my wife yesterday for what was supposed to be a quick trip ... it took 6 hours . Some women shop all day everyday ..... it is not the comparison that is silly, it is your argument , the comparison is valid.

6 hours 5 days a week? Do you have to put up with bullies at the shops? Are you struggling to deal with personnel on a daily basis. Come on, it's not a great comparison. Who cares about women who shop daily, it's their problem, they can drive up to different place, they are big girls and most have driving licences. I am a woman, and this argument is not valid for me, when begin to compare the benefits.

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Reply #95 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:44pm

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

You said it THOSE WHO CHOSE TO PAY MORE ... I've no problem with those chosing to pay more doing so ... it's your money, go for it. ... I have a problem with my tax dollars going toward you chosing to send your kids to private .... why should they? .

because if you don't then many of those private schools will raise their fees to the roof and the kids will be forced to go to public school in the area they live in! Which doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing!

It doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing ....

why don't you use your argument for the kids who's parents cannot afford private education? Are not their kids forced to school in the area they live? Should some have priority over others?

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #96 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:45pm You won't convince old John. Believe it or not, and I still struggle with it. John's admitted school in the public system packed with wogs in NSW in his opinion is as good as my private school in the UK which has Prime Ministers in its alumni and Royalty attendees. Quite unbelievable.
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Reply #97 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:46pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:44pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

You said it THOSE WHO CHOSE TO PAY MORE ... I've no problem with those chosing to pay more doing so ... it's your money, go for it. ... I have a problem with my tax dollars going toward you chosing to send your kids to private .... why should they? .

because if you don't then many of those private schools will raise their fees to the roof and the kids will be forced to go to public school in the area they live in! Which doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing!

It doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing ....

why don't you use your argument for the kids who's parents cannot afford private education? Are not their kids forced to school in the area they live? Should some have priority over others?

That's why they have public schools, for those parents who just can't afford it. And that's right, those parents really struggle, should everyone else also struggle?

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Reply #98 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:48pm

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:39pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

To use your argument, If I don't like my local shopping centre because of the local rif raf, why should't the govt. pay cab fare for me and my family to go to a more suitable shopping centre? Just because I cannot afford to live in the suburb with the nice shopping centre should I be punished for it?

Shopping centre - 5 minutes in 5 minutes out, you don't even have to communicate with local, what a silly comparison. At school you spend at least 6 hours of your daily life

I went shopping with my wife yesterday for what was supposed to be a quick trip ... it took 6 hours . Some women shop all day everyday ..... it is not the comparison that is silly, it is your argument , the comparison is valid.

6 hours 5 days a week? Do you have to put up with bullies at the shops? Are you struggling to deal with personnel on a daily basis. Come on, it's not a great comparison. Who cares about women who shop daily, it's their problem, they can drive up to different place, they are big girls and most have driving licences. I am a woman, and this argument is not valid for me, when begin to compare the benefits.

what benefits? The benefits for a few select kids ?? ... the govt. should use the money it puts into private schools to make good the local public school and deal with the problems you claimy exist, instead they haven't got the money because they are busy subsidising some other persons lifestyle choice .... wouldn't putting the money into fixing the public school then benefit everybody?

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #99 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:50pm

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:44pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

You said it THOSE WHO CHOSE TO PAY MORE ... I've no problem with those chosing to pay more doing so ... it's your money, go for it. ... I have a problem with my tax dollars going toward you chosing to send your kids to private .... why should they? .

because if you don't then many of those private schools will raise their fees to the roof and the kids will be forced to go to public school in the area they live in! Which doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing!

It doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing ....

why don't you use your argument for the kids who's parents cannot afford private education? Are not their kids forced to school in the area they live? Should some have priority over others?

That's why they have public schools, for those parents who just can't afford it. And that's right, those parents really struggle, should everyone else also struggle?

the govt. shouldn't support any sort of class differentiation when it comes to kids ... all kids deserve the same treatment .... govt. has to provide an education system, if you say it isn't good enough for your kids and you want a fancier one, you pay for it,. Why should I?

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Reply #100 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:50pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:39pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

To use your argument, If I don't like my local shopping centre because of the local rif raf, why should't the govt. pay cab fare for me and my family to go to a more suitable shopping centre? Just because I cannot afford to live in the suburb with the nice shopping centre should I be punished for it?

Shopping centre - 5 minutes in 5 minutes out, you don't even have to communicate with local, what a silly comparison. At school you spend at least 6 hours of your daily life

I went shopping with my wife yesterday for what was supposed to be a quick trip ... it took 6 hours . Some women shop all day everyday ..... it is not the comparison that is silly, it is your argument , the comparison is valid.

6 hours 5 days a week? Do you have to put up with bullies at the shops? Are you struggling to deal with personnel on a daily basis. Come on, it's not a great comparison. Who cares about women who shop daily, it's their problem, they can drive up to different place, they are big girls and most have driving licences. I am a woman, and this argument is not valid for me, when begin to compare the benefits.

what benefits? The benefits for a few select kids ?? ... the govt. should use the money it puts into private schools to make good the local public school and deal with the problems you claimy exist, instead they haven't got the money because they are busy subsidising some other persons lifestyle choice .... wouldn't putting the money into fixing the public school then benefit everybody?

Again, not a single parent I personally know, who send their kids to non-public schools is rich, all take loans to pay for education. Why? because they want their kids to have future... omG

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Re: GST to rise to 15%
Reply #101 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:53pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:45pm:

You won't convince old John.

Believe it or not, and I still struggle with it.

John's admitted school in the public system packed with wogs in NSW in his opinion is as good as my private school in the UK which has Prime Ministers in its alumni and Royalty attendees.

Quite unbelievable.

And there is a perfect example of why subsidising private schools is a waste of money ... Andrei struggles with basic comprehension despite spending many tens of thousands of dollars on his education .... you just cannot make a silk purse from a sows ear and if parents are delusional, they should pay ... care to put up my quote Andrei and prove me wrong?

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Reply #102 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:55pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:50pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:44pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

You said it THOSE WHO CHOSE TO PAY MORE ... I've no problem with those chosing to pay more doing so ... it's your money, go for it. ... I have a problem with my tax dollars going toward you chosing to send your kids to private .... why should they? .

because if you don't then many of those private schools will raise their fees to the roof and the kids will be forced to go to public school in the area they live in! Which doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing!

It doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing ....

why don't you use your argument for the kids who's parents cannot afford private education? Are not their kids forced to school in the area they live? Should some have priority over others?

That's why they have public schools, for those parents who just can't afford it. And that's right, those parents really struggle, should everyone else also struggle?

the govt. shouldn't support any sort of class differentiation when it comes to kids ... all kids deserve the same treatment .... govt. has to provide an education system, if you say it isn't good enough for your kids and you want a fancier one, you pay for it,. Why should I?

You go tell it to those kids who don't know how to differentiate, kids with behavioral problems, kids from junkie families, etc. And I will see government taking the action on it. pfft. laughable. Do you really think parents would comply, kids would comply? You will never get it right if you continue provide support only for this kind of learning facilities. Australian population will degrade faster than is already predicted.

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Reply #103 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:55pm

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:39pm:

Torpedo wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

To use your argument, If I don't like my local shopping centre because of the local rif raf, why should't the govt. pay cab fare for me and my family to go to a more suitable shopping centre? Just because I cannot afford to live in the suburb with the nice shopping centre should I be punished for it?

Shopping centre - 5 minutes in 5 minutes out, you don't even have to communicate with local, what a silly comparison. At school you spend at least 6 hours of your daily life

I went shopping with my wife yesterday for what was supposed to be a quick trip ... it took 6 hours . Some women shop all day everyday ..... it is not the comparison that is silly, it is your argument , the comparison is valid.

6 hours 5 days a week? Do you have to put up with bullies at the shops? Are you struggling to deal with personnel on a daily basis. Come on, it's not a great comparison. Who cares about women who shop daily, it's their problem, they can drive up to different place, they are big girls and most have driving licences. I am a woman, and this argument is not valid for me, when begin to compare the benefits.

what benefits? The benefits for a few select kids ?? ... the govt. should use the money it puts into private schools to make good the local public school and deal with the problems you claimy exist, instead they haven't got the money because they are busy subsidising some other persons lifestyle choice .... wouldn't putting the money into fixing the public school then benefit everybody?

Again, not a single parent I personally know, who send their kids to non-public schools is rich, all take loans to pay for education. Why? because they want their kids to have future... omG

thats fine, and good on them, and I may even decide to do so myself when my kids are old enough .... but that still doesn't mean tax dollars should pay for it. If I decide to go private (and it's the most likely scenario) I am happy to pay, even if I have to borrow or steal to do so. What I won't settle for is the parents who decide not to, having to pay for my choice ....

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: GST to rise to 15% Reply #104 - Apr 24^th, 2013 at 9:55pm "I would prefer to go to my school over yours" Now please tell us John why you would want to attend your school if you think the teaching quality is worse and the quality of kids there is worse? Otherwise, you are clearly stating your free school, packed with wogs, is on a par with my school - alumni Prime Ministers.
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Question: Should the GST rise to 15% to stop Govt. bankruptcy?
yes 4 (21.1%) no 14 (73.7%) not sure 1 (5.3%) Total votes: 19 « Created by: Bobby. on: Apr 22^nd, 2013 at 11:12pm »