I didn't post that about 166000 jobs, BOAG did

If there are 166000 Jobs available , they can be filled and we might be able to drop the unemployment rate down to about 3%
INSTEAD OF KEEPING PEOPLE UNEMPLOYED. So others can lord it over them.

Quantum wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:02am:


No they arent obviously. Since there are about 400k short 400k ppl are going to miss out.


Quantum wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:02am:


They are all kids around here - only kids can survive on about 30 bucks per shift. How many pizzas would they deliver? By "most" which ones do you mean? Not dominos . .. . .

Quantum wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:02am:


Having another lil temper tantrum trole?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:



No, certainly not Domino's: they have an Agreement for their delivery drivers and they are paid a minimum hourly rate (subject to junior percentages).

Any pizza delivery person working for a store that does not have an Agreement, is covered by the applicable Modern Award: Fast Food Industry Award 2010.

Schedule B describes the duties, including " ... delivery of meals"

Clause 17 shows the minimum weekly wages: $666.10 per week.

Clause 18 explains the junior rates.

http://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/modern_awards/pdf/MA000003.pdf

The overall majority of pizza delivery drivers in Australia are paid a minimum hourly rate.  Moreover, those hourly rates are subject to junior rate percentages which is why pizza stores like to employ younger people to do the deliveries.

An adult delivery driver gets $666.10 per week.

A 17 year old doing the exact same job only gets $399.66.

Not too sure where Quantum is getting his information from, but it's wrong.

Quantum wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:



Don't like to admit when you're wrong, do you?

Your statement "Almost all pizza delivery places pay per delivery, not per hour." is incorrect.  Simple fact.

A small percentage of employees (on some Agreements) are paid in the way you described, however, the majority are on an hourly rate.

And regarding the "Almost all pizza drivers are casual" piece at the end of your post: yes, you are 100% correct.

Now, do you know how the hourly rate for a casual is determined?

I'll tell you.

The weekly rate for a full time employee (from the applicable Agreement or Award) is divided by 38, to give an hourly rate.

Then, the casual loading (25%) is applied to arrive at the minimum hourly rate for a casual employee doing pizza deliveries.

For an adult, that's $21.91 per hour ($666.10 divided by 38 = $17.53, multiplied by 125% = $21.91).

For a 17 year old it's $13.15 per hour ($666.10 multiplied by 60% = $399.66, divided by 38 = $10.52, multiplied by 125% = $13.15.

Casuals, as well as permanent employees, are covered by the NES and Modern Awards.

All employees covered by Awards and Agreements have an hourly rate: it's just a matter of dividing the weekly figure by 38.  A difficult task for some, granted, but give it a go sometime and see how you go.

Overall, you seem to have very little understanding of industrial relations so, if you don't want to be made a fool of again I'd suggest not discussing such issues with me: you will always come off second best.  Just some friendly advice.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 2:47pm:


Pretty obvious that is your problem in this discussion, not mine. You said;

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No sign of anyone getting paid per delivery here. You simply said those on Agreements are paid a weekly wage and some get a per delivery payment on top of that. Others get an Award wage.

You then said;

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Again, no acknowledgement of per delivery here. Just a lot of legal quoting with no connection to reality. When you are shown to be wrong (by showing you how one of the biggest Pizza chains in the nation works) you went back to more law talk;

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Let me explain how it works.

Pizza Hut have a Method A and Method B payment system.

Method A: Per Hour plus Per Delivery
Method B: Per Delivery

Each shop has to have 3 Method A drivers. All others are Method B (A new worker doesn't actually get a choice. If they have 3 Method A's already, too bad). A shop may have 30+ drivers on their roster. Only 3 of them will be Method A, all others will be on Method B.

When one of the largest Chains has the vast majority of their drivers on a per delivery system, it is obvious that many delivery drivers are now on a per delivery basis. That's because those shops they pay per hour do not hire anywhere near as many drivers, because they have to pay them whether they make a delivery or not.

Your "A small percentage of employees (on some Agreements) are paid in the way you described, however, the majority are on an hourly rate." is ridiculous when nearly ever Pizza Hut driver is on the method I described; a method that you refused to even acknowledged existed ("Not too sure where Quantum is getting his information from, but it's wrong.") until you were proven beyond doubt that per delivery does exist.

Stop being a wanker. You yet again tried to be a smart arse and you were proven wrong.

Thats pizza hut hardly "most". They most prolly still have a smaller amount for juniors to deliver but they wouldn't advertise that now would they. I doubt very many would opt for the per delivery rate anyway because it wouldn't pay very well considering how many drivers there and and how many pizzas you can actually deliver in a few hours.

The fact remains that dingo most likely wouldn't get a job there unless he is a very young lad.

SOB

You are right. Quantum yet again managed to distract us onto a strawman. The point i made was that there are not the jobs out there to accommodate the unemployed.

SOB