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Reply #15 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:33am

cods wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:12am:

Aussie wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

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there are criteria for determining that. this is a clear labor attack on contractors which are outside of the union sphere.

I'd call it an attack on The Boss Man who is ripping off people by making them work for him as 'contractors' when in fact, they are employees. The Boss Man thus avoids paying the people usual employee entitlements.

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you can of course be right I am sure there are many like that... but not ALL surely?...it does sound union inspired..wouldnt they like to go back to the days where the unions did the hiring and firing..

Labor has become VERY pro-union and brought in a lot of legislation to give unions priority of entry and sometimes exclusivity. It will all change in 2014!

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Federal government attacks independent contractors Reply #16 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:38am You're talking absolute rubbish Longy because since selling my share in my old business last year I had no trouble getting an ABN for my new independent consultancy. The system is designed to stop crooked businesses ripping off workers by forcing them to work as independent contractors.
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Reply #17 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:45am

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:38pm:

How many times do you hear of employees being sacked from their job only to be hired back as a contractor .... they get the same money, but this time they have no holidays, no sickies, no penalty rates, no workers comp, no allowances, no insurance no rights whatsoever .... if the contractors wants any of those things he has to pay his own. It doesn't take long for $50 000 to chissel away ... meanwhile the boss gets to keep all the extra profit. A prime example is the telstra technicians ... many are supposed to be contractors, but they are not allowed to do any work other than for Telstra and there is no negotiation over the prices ..... what a scam.

About time the ATO cracked down on it.

John ...... so what ?

An employer has the right to choose whether they want contractors or not.

They can directly hire people, they can hire people through a labour hire company or the can hire a contractor.

Often contractors earn 2-3 times what the permanent staff member does and even with that they could still be cheaper.

It depends on whether you have enough work for them or not.

A well structure company has a set of core staff that administer and maintain IP, beyond that the number of people you employ is mapped to business activity. Casual and contractor staff are great for those peak periods.

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Re: Federal government attacks independent contractors
Reply #18 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 11:43am

adelcrow wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

You're talking absolute rubbish Longy because since selling my share in my old business last year I had no trouble getting an ABN for my new independent consultancy.
The system is designed to stop crooked businesses ripping off workers by forcing them to work as independent contractors.

and in todays lesson we learn that our own personal experience is not necessarily the experience of others. Try reading the OP written by someone with experience beyond just his own.

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Reply #19 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:54pm

RightSadFred wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:38pm:

How many times do you hear of employees being sacked from their job only to be hired back as a contractor .... they get the same money, but this time they have no holidays, no sickies, no penalty rates, no workers comp, no allowances, no insurance no rights whatsoever .... if the contractors wants any of those things he has to pay his own. It doesn't take long for $50 000 to chissel away ... meanwhile the boss gets to keep all the extra profit. A prime example is the telstra technicians ... many are supposed to be contractors, but they are not allowed to do any work other than for Telstra and there is no negotiation over the prices ..... what a scam.

About time the ATO cracked down on it.

John ...... so what ?

It's Illegal thats so what.

An employer has the right to choose whether they want contractors or not.

They can directly hire people, they can hire people through a labour hire company or the can hire a contractor.

Often contractors earn 2-3 times what the permanent staff member does and even with that they could still be cheaper.

It depends on whether you have enough work for them or not.

A well structure company has a set of core staff that administer and maintain IP, beyond that the number of people you employ is mapped to business activity. Casual and contractor staff are great for those peak periods.

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Reply #20 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:57pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:54pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:38pm:

How many times do you hear of employees being sacked from their job only to be hired back as a contractor .... they get the same money, but this time they have no holidays, no sickies, no penalty rates, no workers comp, no allowances, no insurance no rights whatsoever .... if the contractors wants any of those things he has to pay his own. It doesn't take long for $50 000 to chissel away ... meanwhile the boss gets to keep all the extra profit. A prime example is the telstra technicians ... many are supposed to be contractors, but they are not allowed to do any work other than for Telstra and there is no negotiation over the prices ..... what a scam.

About time the ATO cracked down on it.

John ...... so what ?

It's Illegal thats so what.

An employer has the right to choose whether they want contractors or not.

They can directly hire people, they can hire people through a labour hire company or the can hire a contractor.

Often contractors earn 2-3 times what the permanent staff member does and even with that they could still be cheaper.

It depends on whether you have enough work for them or not.

A well structure company has a set of core staff that administer and maintain IP, beyond that the number of people you employ is mapped to business activity. Casual and contractor staff are great for those peak periods.

that comprehension deficit of yours is really holding you back. read the OP you moron. it is not about turning staff into contractors.

idiot.

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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Federal government attacks independent contractors Reply #21 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 6:46pm This must be topic of the week at longy's Liberal Party meetings.
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Reply #22 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:54pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:38pm:

How many times do you hear of employees being sacked from their job only to be hired back as a contractor .... they get the same money, but this time they have no holidays, no sickies, no penalty rates, no workers comp, no allowances, no insurance no rights whatsoever .... if the contractors wants any of those things he has to pay his own. It doesn't take long for $50 000 to chissel away ... meanwhile the boss gets to keep all the extra profit. A prime example is the telstra technicians ... many are supposed to be contractors, but they are not allowed to do any work other than for Telstra and there is no negotiation over the prices ..... what a scam.

About time the ATO cracked down on it.

John ...... so what ?

It's Illegal thats so what.

An employer has the right to choose whether they want contractors or not.

They can directly hire people, they can hire people through a labour hire company or the can hire a contractor.

Often contractors earn 2-3 times what the permanent staff member does and even with that they could still be cheaper.

It depends on whether you have enough work for them or not.

A well structure company has a set of core staff that administer and maintain IP, beyond that the number of people you employ is mapped to business activity. Casual and contractor staff are great for those peak periods.

that comprehension deficit of yours is really holding you back. read the OP you moron. it is not about turning staff into contractors.

idiot.

of course it is ... it's about someone having a cry baby rant because the ATO knocked back a couple of ABN applications .... something you are quite familiar with (the cry baby rant that is)

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Reply #23 - Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:34pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:54pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:38pm:

How many times do you hear of employees being sacked from their job only to be hired back as a contractor .... they get the same money, but this time they have no holidays, no sickies, no penalty rates, no workers comp, no allowances, no insurance no rights whatsoever .... if the contractors wants any of those things he has to pay his own. It doesn't take long for $50 000 to chissel away ... meanwhile the boss gets to keep all the extra profit. A prime example is the telstra technicians ... many are supposed to be contractors, but they are not allowed to do any work other than for Telstra and there is no negotiation over the prices ..... what a scam.

About time the ATO cracked down on it.

John ...... so what ?

It's Illegal thats so what.

An employer has the right to choose whether they want contractors or not.

They can directly hire people, they can hire people through a labour hire company or the can hire a contractor.

Often contractors earn 2-3 times what the permanent staff member does and even with that they could still be cheaper.

It depends on whether you have enough work for them or not.

A well structure company has a set of core staff that administer and maintain IP, beyond that the number of people you employ is mapped to business activity. Casual and contractor staff are great for those peak periods.

that comprehension deficit of yours is really holding you back. read the OP you moron. it is not about turning staff into contractors.

idiot.

The fact remains that it is these people who are being refused an ABN because they are not genuine businesses.

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RightSadFred Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2220 Gender:	Re: Federal government attacks independent contractors Reply #24 - Apr 26^th, 2013 at 9:09am John Smith Show us the law where it is illegal to hire a contractor ? You ignorance is breath taking.
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Reply #25 - Apr 26^th, 2013 at 1:04pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:54pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:38pm:

How many times do you hear of employees being sacked from their job only to be hired back as a contractor .... they get the same money, but this time they have no holidays, no sickies, no penalty rates, no workers comp, no allowances, no insurance no rights whatsoever .... if the contractors wants any of those things he has to pay his own. It doesn't take long for $50 000 to chissel away ... meanwhile the boss gets to keep all the extra profit. A prime example is the telstra technicians ... many are supposed to be contractors, but they are not allowed to do any work other than for Telstra and there is no negotiation over the prices ..... what a scam.

About time the ATO cracked down on it.

John ...... so what ?

It's Illegal thats so what.

An employer has the right to choose whether they want contractors or not.

They can directly hire people, they can hire people through a labour hire company or the can hire a contractor.

Often contractors earn 2-3 times what the permanent staff member does and even with that they could still be cheaper.

It depends on whether you have enough work for them or not.

A well structure company has a set of core staff that administer and maintain IP, beyond that the number of people you employ is mapped to business activity. Casual and contractor staff are great for those peak periods.

that comprehension deficit of yours is really holding you back. read the OP you moron. it is not about turning staff into contractors.

idiot.

The fact remains that it is these people who are being refused an ABN because they are not genuine businesses.

and you know this because...?

and that's the point. you don't know anything about it at all while the write of the OP does. you are starting to post like green_snot and adelcrow with virtually no respect or apparent interest in facts.

You are better than that or at least used to be.

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Reply #26 - Apr 26^th, 2013 at 1:18pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:54pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:38pm:

How many times do you hear of employees being sacked from their job only to be hired back as a contractor .... they get the same money, but this time they have no holidays, no sickies, no penalty rates, no workers comp, no allowances, no insurance no rights whatsoever .... if the contractors wants any of those things he has to pay his own. It doesn't take long for $50 000 to chissel away ... meanwhile the boss gets to keep all the extra profit. A prime example is the telstra technicians ... many are supposed to be contractors, but they are not allowed to do any work other than for Telstra and there is no negotiation over the prices ..... what a scam.

About time the ATO cracked down on it.

John ...... so what ?

It's Illegal thats so what.

An employer has the right to choose whether they want contractors or not.

They can directly hire people, they can hire people through a labour hire company or the can hire a contractor.

Often contractors earn 2-3 times what the permanent staff member does and even with that they could still be cheaper.

It depends on whether you have enough work for them or not.

A well structure company has a set of core staff that administer and maintain IP, beyond that the number of people you employ is mapped to business activity. Casual and contractor staff are great for those peak periods.

that comprehension deficit of yours is really holding you back. read the OP you moron. it is not about turning staff into contractors.

idiot.

The fact remains that it is these people who are being refused an ABN because they are not genuine businesses.

and you know this because...?

and that's the point. you don't know anything about it at all while the write of the OP does. you are starting to post like green_snot and adelcrow with virtually no respect or apparent interest in facts.

You are better than that or at least used to be.

http://help.abr.gov.au/BC/Index/Australian_business_number_(ABN)/Is_the_entity_e...

Go have a look at the rules and have a go at the assesment tool.

If you are starting a genuine business you will get an ABN - if it is only a pretend business or rort you won't.

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Re: Federal government attacks independent contractors
Reply #27 - Apr 26^th, 2013 at 4:33pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 1:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:54pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:38pm:

How many times do you hear of employees being sacked from their job only to be hired back as a contractor .... they get the same money, but this time they have no holidays, no sickies, no penalty rates, no workers comp, no allowances, no insurance no rights whatsoever .... if the contractors wants any of those things he has to pay his own. It doesn't take long for $50 000 to chissel away ... meanwhile the boss gets to keep all the extra profit. A prime example is the telstra technicians ... many are supposed to be contractors, but they are not allowed to do any work other than for Telstra and there is no negotiation over the prices ..... what a scam.

About time the ATO cracked down on it.

John ...... so what ?

It's Illegal thats so what.

An employer has the right to choose whether they want contractors or not.

They can directly hire people, they can hire people through a labour hire company or the can hire a contractor.

Often contractors earn 2-3 times what the permanent staff member does and even with that they could still be cheaper.

It depends on whether you have enough work for them or not.

A well structure company has a set of core staff that administer and maintain IP, beyond that the number of people you employ is mapped to business activity. Casual and contractor staff are great for those peak periods.

that comprehension deficit of yours is really holding you back. read the OP you moron. it is not about turning staff into contractors.

idiot.

The fact remains that it is these people who are being refused an ABN because they are not genuine businesses.

and you know this because...?

and that's the point. you don't know anything about it at all while the write of the OP does. you are starting to post like green_snot and adelcrow with virtually no respect or apparent interest in facts.

You are better than that or at least used to be.

http://help.abr.gov.au/BC/Index/Australian_business_number_(ABN)/Is_the_entity_e...

Go have a look at the rules and have a go at the assesment tool.

If you are starting a genuine business you will get an ABN - if it is only a pretend business or rort you won't.

'pretend' or 'rort' has come to mean new things under the union-driven labor party. a number of analysts have commented recently about the difficulty in getting an ABN.

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Reply #29 - Apr 26^th, 2013 at 4:57pm

RightSadFred wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 9:09am:

John Smith

Show us the law where it is illegal to hire a contractor ?

You ignorance is breath taking.

It's not illegal to hire a contractor. But......when you then direct him in the same manner of an employee, he is no longer a contractor and becomes your employee to whom you have additional legal obligations.

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