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Reply #30 - Apr 26^th, 2013 at 5:29pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 4:45pm:

Weren't you pillorying Labor for allowing shoddy contractors with the Pink Batts???

Well it seems they've heeded your calls for greater scrutiny & tighter regulations?

Yet still you bitch.

I gotta admit I didn't see that argument coming. probably because I consider you to be one of the few with a brain that still functions. Don't fall into the DNA/ADELCROW hole and make worthless argument. the ABN question has nothing to do with a persons competence and never has been.

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Re: Federal government attacks independent contractors
Reply #31 - Apr 26^th, 2013 at 5:30pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 9:09am:

John Smith

Show us the law where it is illegal to hire a contractor ?

You ignorance is breath taking.

It's not illegal to hire a contractor. But......when you then direct him in the same manner of an employee, he is no longer a contractor and becomes your employee to whom you have additional legal obligations.

Wink

Which while true, is not what the OP is about.

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Reply #32 - Apr 26^th, 2013 at 7:18pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 9:09am:

John Smith

Show us the law where it is illegal to hire a contractor ?

You ignorance is breath taking.

It's not illegal to hire a contractor. But......when you then direct him in the same manner of an employee, he is no longer a contractor and becomes your employee to whom you have additional legal obligations.

Wink

And what manner is that ?

I have seen many work places where contractors and permanents work side by side in teams.

You have legal obligations to a contractor as you do with a permanent employee.

Your ignorance of employment looks pretty big, do you want to explain yourself ?

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Reply #33 - Apr 26^th, 2013 at 7:25pm

longweekend58

Its John Smith moronically throwing around red herrings, being a self employed contractor is a perfect moral and legal way to practice work, in fact the its the basis of unionism in this country as back in the shearing sheds, they were self employed contractors and the union championed their cause. Not sure who unions represent these days beyond them selves, the majority of people are on common law contracts or other legal arrangements.... which unions are not interested in representing, they are stuck in the technical trades / manufacturing sector which is a shrinking group.

Governments of both sides struggle to understand the big growth area of small business / self employed contractors ..... the ALP even refuses to recognise them.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38803 Gender:	Re: Federal government attacks independent contractors Reply #34 - Apr 26^th, 2013 at 8:01pm I'm not as dumb on these matters as you might think RSF. Have a read of this. It's not definitive, but a pretty good guide.
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Lobo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7407 Sydney Gender:	Re: Federal government attacks independent contractors Reply #35 - Apr 26^th, 2013 at 8:20pm Aussie wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 8:01pm: I'm not as dumb on these matters as you might think RSF. Have a read of this. It's not definitive, but a pretty good guide. I think RSF has gone for the 'Long P!ss'......
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Reply #36 - Apr 27^th, 2013 at 12:09am

RightSadFred wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 7:25pm:

longweekend58

Its John Smith moronically throwing around red herrings, being a self employed contractor is a perfect moral and legal way to practice work, in fact the its the basis of unionism in this country as back in the shearing sheds, they were self employed contractors and the union championed their cause. Not sure who unions represent these days beyond them selves, the majority of people are on common law contracts or other legal arrangements.... which unions are not interested in representing, they are stuck in the technical trades / manufacturing sector which is a shrinking group.

Governments of both sides struggle to understand the big growth area of small business / self employed contractors ..... the ALP even refuses to recognise them.

The only Red Herring is whats floating around between your ears , or is that jelly fish? .... you don't think employers hire 'employees' as subcontractors? Get out from in front of your computer every now and then and go out into the real world (ask mummy for permission) . I've seen it hundreds of times myself.

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Reply #37 - Apr 27^th, 2013 at 12:11am

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 4:33pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 1:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 5:54pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2013 at 8:38pm:

How many times do you hear of employees being sacked from their job only to be hired back as a contractor .... they get the same money, but this time they have no holidays, no sickies, no penalty rates, no workers comp, no allowances, no insurance no rights whatsoever .... if the contractors wants any of those things he has to pay his own. It doesn't take long for $50 000 to chissel away ... meanwhile the boss gets to keep all the extra profit. A prime example is the telstra technicians ... many are supposed to be contractors, but they are not allowed to do any work other than for Telstra and there is no negotiation over the prices ..... what a scam.

About time the ATO cracked down on it.

John ...... so what ?

It's Illegal thats so what.

An employer has the right to choose whether they want contractors or not.

They can directly hire people, they can hire people through a labour hire company or the can hire a contractor.

Often contractors earn 2-3 times what the permanent staff member does and even with that they could still be cheaper.

It depends on whether you have enough work for them or not.

A well structure company has a set of core staff that administer and maintain IP, beyond that the number of people you employ is mapped to business activity. Casual and contractor staff are great for those peak periods.

that comprehension deficit of yours is really holding you back. read the OP you moron. it is not about turning staff into contractors.

idiot.

The fact remains that it is these people who are being refused an ABN because they are not genuine businesses.

and you know this because...?

and that's the point. you don't know anything about it at all while the write of the OP does. you are starting to post like green_snot and adelcrow with virtually no respect or apparent interest in facts.

You are better than that or at least used to be.

http://help.abr.gov.au/BC/Index/Australian_business_number_(ABN)/Is_the_entity_e...

Go have a look at the rules and have a go at the assesment tool.

If you are starting a genuine business you will get an ABN - if it is only a pretend business or rort you won't.

'pretend' or 'rort' has come to mean new things under the union-driven labor party. a number of analysts have commented recently about the difficulty in getting an ABN.

this from the guy complaining about respect and facts !!!! Moron

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Re: Federal government attacks independent contractors
Reply #38 - Apr 27^th, 2013 at 12:13am

RightSadFred wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 9:09am:

John Smith

Show us the law where it is illegal to hire a contractor ?

You ignorance is breath taking.

Where have I ever said it's illegal to hire a contract? Please provide a link .....

No wonder Gillard is suffering at the polls, the country is full of morons that cannot understand simple English.

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