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The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page) (Read 141312 times)
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Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page)
Reply #105 - May 4th, 2013 at 10:41am
 
freediver wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 10:12am:
Many of the UK's home grown terrorists are first generation children of such immigrants - people who fled the craziness of the middle east, but now their own children are importing it.


First, second even third generation - just like here.

An interesting study by MI5 a few years ago contradicts some myths about UK terrorists - including the idea that radicalisastion is institutionalised within the UK muslim community:

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Far from being religious zealots, a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could actually be regarded as religious novices. Very few have been brought up in strongly religious households, and there is a higher than average proportion of converts. Some are involved in drug-taking, drinking alcohol and visiting prostitutes. MI5 says there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/aug/20/uksecurity.terrorism1

I emphasise the last sentence especially.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page)
Reply #106 - May 4th, 2013 at 11:24am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 9:10am:
As for your "right" to choose to abolish muslim immigration - both major political parties have adopted a bi-partisan policy in favour of a non-discriminatory multiculturalism, and the electorate has never disputed that, despite having many opportunities to do so. It seems that you and your minority view doesn't have such a right after all.


Under our deceitful 'Preferential Voting' system the dice are loaded to ensure that one of the Big Two always wins the elections. It's a fixed horse race every time.

You can vote One Nation, or The Stormtrooper Party, or the Australian Neo-Nazi Party ~ whatever ~ and their votes will accrue to the Liberals in the final washup.

And as you so rightly say, because of political collusion over policies between the Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dum parties of Labor and Liberal ~ ~ the Australian people are being criminally denied a genuine and effect Opposition Party.

Democracy depends for its very existence upon a system of adversarial government in which there is a genuine Opposition party that has alternative policies to that of the incumbents. 

What we have in Australia is a phoney democracy in which two parties with nearly identical policies take turns at playing the governing party.

It's all a fraud and a charade in which a whole list of social policies are never given a chance to be voted upon. Agreements signed with the UN have effectively robbed the Australian electorate of their sovereign democracy.
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Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page)
Reply #107 - May 4th, 2013 at 11:43am
 
From the MI5 report:
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The MI5 authors stress that the most pressing current threat is from Islamist extremist groups who justify the use of violence "in defence of Islam"
, but that there are also violent extremists involved in non-Islamist movements.
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Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page)
Reply #108 - May 4th, 2013 at 12:14pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 11:24am:
Under our deceitful 'Preferential Voting' system the dice are loaded to ensure that one of the Big Two always wins the elections. It's a fixed horse race every time.

You can vote One Nation, or The Stormtrooper Party, or the Australian Neo-Nazi Party ~ whatever ~ and their votes will accrue to the Liberals in the final washup


Its really very simple Herb. One Nation offered a very specific anti-asian immigration/ anti-multiculturalism platform. The Australian public had a very specific opportunity to vote against the current immigration regime. They got around 10% of the vote at the 98 federal election. Or to put it another way, 90% of the electorate rejected their discriminatory platform. Other anti immigration parties and movements have come and gone.

Also, polls have consistently demonstrated support for multiculturalism. If there really was a groundswell of opinion against muslim immigration that you claim, the message would get through to even the politicians from the main parties. But apart from a bit of dog whistling against boat people - specifically aimed only at key electorates in western Sydney - the political momentum you seem to think exists for a discriminatory immigration policy, simply doesn't exist.
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Reply #109 - May 4th, 2013 at 12:20pm
 
mantra wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 7:44am:
I doubt we'll ever have a moratorium.


So do I. This likelihood decreases in direct proportion to the effectiveness of the Muslim Vote.

Just a few weeks ago our Foreign Minister told Gillard to vote 'abstain' rather than 'No' to further UN recognition of Palestine ~~ because voting 'No' would upset Australia's Muslim community - and their vote.

Here's your 'Multicultural Australia' in action. Decisions made at the very top of the Australian government are being engineered so as not to 'offend' the cultural sensitivities of a small but highly aggressive immigrant community. 

mantra wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 7:44am:
We are also free to practise any religion we choose providing we don't break the law and so far the majority of Muslims have proven to be law abiding citizens.


An ever-increasing number are choosing to abide by Sharia Law - which is illegal in Australia. That is potentially a huge groundswell of Muslims breaking our national laws and opting out of the official legal system of this their adopted country.

mantra wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 7:44am:
I wonder if Fred Nile will ever become PM? As far as talkback radio goes - 2GB appears to be the only one obsessed with Muslims and migration and as it is a conservative station, almost extreme, of course they're going to try to please their audience.


The highest rating Talkback radio shows are right-of-centre ...  Now, why do you suppose that is?

Answer: They are a substitute for this country having no right-of-centre representation in our federal parliament.

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Are you quite sure you're not off with the pixies again with this remark?


mantra wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 7:44am:
No - I'm off with the fairies.  Roll Eyes


Grin

mantra wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 7:44am:
I believe some infant schools have introduced assimilation programs, but it is about embracing the differences, not rejecting them.


You got that out of a Chinese Fortune Cookie, didn't you?

So I owe you one:

(Fortune Cookie):

'What's the difference between erotic and kinky?
Erotic is when you use a feather.
Kinky is when you use the whole chicken'.


mantra wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 7:44am:
Australian women have never been treated equally and wages today indicate that we are still paid far less than our male counterparts.


Quite right too.

It's the men who do the heavy lifting in the workplace.
Men don't spend hours of their working time gossiping and doing their nails.  Cool

mantra wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 7:44am:
Perhaps there is a punishment in Sharia law which involves cutting off the child abuser's hands or genitals. The general population would certainly go along with that.


Woww!  You women can be brutal.
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Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page)
Reply #110 - May 4th, 2013 at 12:59pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 12:14pm:
Also, polls have consistently demonstrated support for multiculturalism. If there really was a groundswell of opinion against muslim immigration that you claim, the message would get through to even the politicians from the main parties.


Recent Poll results:

1. 66% of Australians think immigrant multiculturalism has added nothing of cultural benefit to Australia.

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Just a third of the 2000 people questioned by Quantum Market Research for AustraliaSCAN believed overseas migration made Australia "a more interesting and exciting place" ...


2. 66% of Australians are utterly opposed to a 'Multicultural Australia'.

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Almost two thirds said they believed migrants should try to "adopt the Australian way of life" when they arrived.


3. The majority of Australians want all immigration stopped.

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New research, provided exclusively to The Daily Telegraph, reveals a dramatic swing against border issues, with 51 per cent in favour of saying no to all migrants -


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Have a Nice Day, al-qaedalf.  Cool
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Reply #111 - May 4th, 2013 at 1:17pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 12:59pm:
2. 66% of Australians are utterly opposed to a 'Multicultural Australia'.

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Almost two thirds said they believed migrants should try to "adopt the Australian way of life" when they arrived.


Grin Grin thats your evidence?

To state the bleeding obvious, the belief that immigrants should "adopt the Australian way of life" is not the same as being  "utterly opposed to a 'Multicultural Australia'". You are being extremely dishonest - or just plain stupid.

The reality:
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A Galaxy poll of 1000 people run exclusively for News Limited revealed people's attitudes in the run up to Australia Day to the sometimes divisive issue.

One in 10 said multiculturalism worked very well and made Australia what it is, while just over half said it worked generally quite well, causing only the occasional issue.


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Thirteen per cent said it caused lots of cultural issues and problems.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/galaxy-poll-shows-most-australians-thi...

That would be your lot Herb - your two thirds is actually 13% according to this poll.
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Reply #112 - May 4th, 2013 at 1:36pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 9:40am:
Haven't heard that FD. Do you have any figures?

There are certainly no shortage of refugees from Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq. And inevitably soon from Syria. Maybe they are compensating for this by reducing the skilled intake from muslim countries?

What I always find silly is people like Herb always rail against muslims importing their ideology from their muslim homeland - when most of the time they are getting away from those places because they hate them so much.


Towards the end of the second invasion of Iraq, they held their first democratic election ever. 8 million very brave Iraqi souls queued up at the polling booths across Iraq to register their vote. They risked mass-murder at the hands of the insurgents and their own religious sectarians.

And then a strange piece of news appeared in our Sydney Daily Telegraph and on the evening news.

Auburn is our main Sydney Muslim enclave/ghetto. Our government had set up voting booths in a hall in one of these Auburn streets to allow for Iraqi immigrants and refugees to participate in this Iraqi election as Overseas Postal Votes.

Just after dark, while Iraqis were still going into vote, a car-load of Muslims arrived to park opposite the hall, and from there, with a car door open, a man with a revolver threatened anyone attempting to enter the hall to vote - to not do so.

The police were called, and the riot squad arrived.

The car was shooed off, and a couple of police were then posted at the entrance to the hall.

It was feared by this/these gunmen that the voters were voting for Sunnis and not Shia ... or Shia and not Sunni ... whichever.

The point is that this was a demonstration of how 'multiculturalism' is not always the soft-and-fluffy toy bunny that people think it is.

Where Muslims are concerned, it's often a call-to-arms, and there's a lot of macho hairy-chest beating.

In fact, even some of their women are known to go in for this macho hairy-chest beating.  Cool

 
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Reply #113 - May 4th, 2013 at 1:45pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 1:17pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 12:59pm:
2. 66% of Australians are utterly opposed to a 'Multicultural Australia'.

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Almost two thirds said they believed migrants should try to "adopt the Australian way of life" when they arrived.


Grin Grin thats your evidence?

To state the bleeding obvious, the belief that immigrants should "adopt the Australian way of life" is not the same as being  "utterly opposed to a 'Multicultural Australia'". You are being extremely dishonest - or just plain stupid.

The reality:
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A Galaxy poll of 1000 people run exclusively for News Limited revealed people's attitudes in the run up to Australia Day to the sometimes divisive issue.

One in 10 said multiculturalism worked very well and made Australia what it is, while just over half said it worked generally quite well, causing only the occasional issue.


whereas..

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Thirteen per cent said it caused lots of cultural issues and problems.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/galaxy-poll-shows-most-australians-thi...

That would be your lot Herb - your two thirds is actually 13% according to this poll.


Good Lord! Back so soon?

I'm going to leave it to our audience to judge for themselves what these polls tell us.

You can put as much spin on the poll results as you like, but they stand as they were published in the first place.

Enjoy the rest of your day.  Tongue
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Reply #114 - May 4th, 2013 at 2:09pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 10:41am:
An interesting study by MI5 a few years ago contradicts some myths about UK terrorists - including the idea that radicalisastion is institutionalised within the UK muslim community:

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MI5 says there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/aug/20/uksecurity.terrorism1

I emphasise the last sentence especially.


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Update for gandalf's information and dancing pleasure:

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Extremism unchecked in schools...secret briefing reveals.

More than 100 independent faith schools may be radicalising students, the Department of Education has warned in a secret memo which admits that officials are struggling to tackle extremism in state and private schools.


source

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Stop fighting it, gandalf.

We in the West enjoy a moderately free press, and consequently certain 'unsavoury' and politically incorrect truths are still allowed to come to the attention of the public.

Once the internet gets into the control of international censorship, then you will win every argument. I will then have no politically incorrect sources to draw upon.
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Reply #115 - May 4th, 2013 at 2:27pm
 
HERE are your beloved Muslims once again making the news for all the wrong reasons.

These people's moral sensibilities are still back there with the Neanderthals. These are brutish thugs with empty souls ~ but I dare say they pray five times a day to their God.

And we're importing these rock apes by the tens of thousands each year.

Mantra's Chinese Fortune Cookie said: Embrace diversity ~ Don't reject it.

And Christ wept.

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Reply #116 - May 4th, 2013 at 3:08pm
 
Some Muslims may think that way, Herbie.  You have, as usual, presented NO evidence that ALL Muslims think that way.   Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #117 - May 4th, 2013 at 4:12pm
 
Gandalf appears to be arguing that it is young rebellious Muslim men rather than the frail old women who blow up busses, because they are less "secure".
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Reply #118 - May 4th, 2013 at 4:18pm
 
freediver wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 4:12pm:
Gandalf appears to be arguing that it is young rebellious Muslim men rather than the frail old women who blow up busses, because they are less "secure".


Rebellious of WHAT?

After 1400 years these Islamic Third World sand-bunnies have suddenly found themselves growing up and living in a First World democracy with cutting-edge technology and a social welfare system that Lenin would have killed for.   

What the hell have these rock apes got to be ANGRY about?

There's nothing stopping them from cancelling their Australian citizenship and migrating back to the Middle East.

But we won't see them do that, will we .... gandalf.

And we both know WHY, don't we?

Muslims? ~ 'Hypocrisy' be thy name.

While they pray five times a day to Allah, they reserve their most ardent prayers for the worship of Mammon.

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Reply #119 - May 4th, 2013 at 4:22pm
 
freediver wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 4:12pm:
Gandalf appears to be arguing that it is young rebellious Muslim men rather than the frail old women who blow up busses, because they are less "secure".


What?  Huh

Herb, stop trolling.
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