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The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page) (Read 141047 times)
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Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page)
Reply #150 - May 26th, 2013 at 1:55pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 26th, 2013 at 11:57am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 25th, 2013 at 3:33pm:
Not answering the points raised again, Herbie?  How trollish of you.    Grin

So, Herbie, lets see how much of an apologist for the blackshirt thugs who rioted in London this week you can be...   Roll Eyes


My answer is that they are a godsend to all those on the Left who can use them as the ugly face of 'Rightwing' politics.

I don't support them any more than does Pat Condell. They are an embarrassment to those of us who stand in the middle of the political spectrum asking only that our ancestral homelands be saved for the generational indigenous Brits and their future progeny.

You support the Australian aborigines in this endeavour ~ so why not the Brits, Brian?

The Brits are no longer the majority people in their own capital city.

John Cleese admitted publicly that London is no longer recognisable as an English city. He now intentionally takes his UK holidays in Bristol where there is still the feeling that one is in an English city.

I think that's fairly appalling. This says to me that the immigration programme of the past 50 years has been a betrayal of the British people.


The British people are made up of many different ethnicities, Herbie.  Essentially you're saying that no matter how long you may have live in the UK, you cannot be British, even if born there.  This of course could be the reason why you never felt at home there, being Chinese and all that...   Roll Eyes

Cleese BTW, always was a right-winger.  It was one of the reasons why the Monty Python team broke up in the end.  Cleese hated the other's 'cause they were left-wing.  How he survived writing for over nearly 2 decades with Graham Chapman who was both a Lefty and Gay has always surprised me...

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Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page)
Reply #151 - May 26th, 2013 at 2:45pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 26th, 2013 at 1:55pm:
The British people are made up of many different ethnicities, Herbie. 


Well, actually, no, Brian. When I was in Devonshire and Berkshire during the '50's everyone was native to the British Isles and Ireland.

No one was a foreigner except the tourists.

All white.

All Christian.

All generational.

All indigenous to the British Isles and Ireland.

All rowing in the same direction.

No one talking about "Strength in Diversity" ~ and "We are one but we are Many" ~ and "Multicultural Britain" ~ and 'cultural sensitivity' training for the police, the teachers, and the politicians..

And no one pointing the finger and accusing others of 'racism' - 'bigotry' - and 'xenophobia'.

And British soldiers being told not to wear their uniforms in public in their own homeland lest this inflame passions of murderous hatred from members of the community. 

Brian Ross wrote on May 26th, 2013 at 1:55pm:
no matter how long you may have live in the UK, you cannot be British, even if born there.
 

There are the faux-'British' immigrants such as the Jamaicans, and then there are the core British people.

The immigrants will become solidly 'British' only when eventually, after however many generations, they will start barracking for the England sporting teams instead of being cheer-squads for visiting teams arriving from their ancestral homelands.

At present the Negroes in England will barrack for ANY foreign Negroes ... the Pakis will vote for ANY visiting Muslim teams ... etc etc

It's as simple as that. It's a Litmus test of where their loyalties lie, and who they identify with.

At present there are fourth and fifth generation migrants to Britain who gather at the sporting events to cheer on the West Indians, or the Pakistanis, or the Indians, etc.

Get the picture, Brian?

Institutionalised 'Multiculturalism' is a crock. It sponsors generational alienation of immigrant communities from the mainstream host people.

John Cleese was university-educated, and as such, was a freak for remaining disenchanted with leftwing ideology. Same with Mr Bean's Rowan Atkinson ~ a rightwinger.

But please note: It's NOT 'rightwing' to object  to your country being swamped by unassimilable immigrant foreigners.
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Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page)
Reply #152 - May 26th, 2013 at 5:11pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 26th, 2013 at 2:45pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 26th, 2013 at 1:55pm:
The British people are made up of many different ethnicities, Herbie. 


Well, actually, no, Brian. When I was in Devonshire and Berkshire during the '50's everyone was native to the British Isles and Ireland.

No one was a foreigner except the tourists.

All white.

All Christian.

All generational.

All indigenous to the British Isles and Ireland.

All rowing in the same direction.

No one talking about "Strength in Diversity" ~ and "We are one but we are Many" ~ and "Multicultural Britain" ~ and 'cultural sensitivity' training for the police, the teachers, and the politicians..

And no one pointing the finger and accusing others of 'racism' - 'bigotry' - and 'xenophobia'.

And British soldiers being told not to wear their uniforms in public in their own homeland lest this inflame passions of murderous hatred from members of the community. 

Brian Ross wrote on May 26th, 2013 at 1:55pm:
no matter how long you may have live in the UK, you cannot be British, even if born there.
 

There are the faux-'British' immigrants such as the Jamaicans, and then there are the core British people.

The immigrants will become solidly 'British' only when eventually, after however many generations, they will start barracking for the England sporting teams instead of being cheer-squads for visiting teams arriving from their ancestral homelands.

At present the Negroes in England will barrack for ANY foreign Negroes ... the Pakis will vote for ANY visiting Muslim teams ... etc etc

It's as simple as that. It's a Litmus test of where their loyalties lie, and who they identify with.

At present there are fourth and fifth generation migrants to Britain who gather at the sporting events to cheer on the West Indians, or the Pakistanis, or the Indians, etc.

Get the picture, Brian?

Institutionalised 'Multiculturalism' is a crock. It sponsors generational alienation of immigrant communities from the mainstream host people.

John Cleese was university-educated, and as such, was a freak for remaining disenchanted with leftwing ideology. Same with Mr Bean's Rowan Atkinson ~ a rightwinger.

But please note: It's NOT 'rightwing' to object  to your country being swamped by unassimilable immigrant foreigners.


What, no Scots?

The world has changed, Herbie, it has moved on from when they rejected you because of where you were born.  Time you got over your bitterness at rejection.   Roll Eyes
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Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page)
Reply #153 - May 26th, 2013 at 5:36pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 26th, 2013 at 5:11pm:
Time you got over your bitterness at rejection.   Roll Eyes


Speaking of rejection ... Your D&R is now no longer accepting my password.

I've been trying to get in so I can join the pillow-fight between Redneck, Nicole, and Mulga Bill!  Grin

You can't possibly believe this new D&R has a hope in Hell of success with such Rightwing moderating of the posts? 

Rightwing intolerance of people's personal idiosyncrasies is not going to cut it. This bigoted editing of people's posts is almost on a par with racism and xenophobia.

The whole site reeks of Rightwing fascism.

I'm sorely disappointed in you, Brian. Where are all those liberal values you once used to champion?



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Reply #154 - May 26th, 2013 at 9:58pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 26th, 2013 at 5:36pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 26th, 2013 at 5:11pm:
Time you got over your bitterness at rejection.   Roll Eyes


Speaking of rejection ... Your D&R is now no longer accepting my password.


Funny how this only happens to you, Herbie.  I'd suggest the problem is between screen and keyboard...   Roll Eyes

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I've been trying to get in so I can join the pillow-fight between Redneck, Nicole, and Mulga Bill!  Grin


Nothing stopping you.  Every other user can log in, Herbie.  I'd suggest reviewing how you're logging in, before you blame the forum software again.

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You can't possibly believe this new D&R has a hope in Hell of success with such Rightwing moderating of the posts? 


Funny, didn't you claim it was "Marxist-Leninist" moderation, the other day?

I do wish you'd make your mind up, Herbie!   Roll Eyes

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Rightwing intolerance of people's personal idiosyncrasies is not going to cut it. This bigoted editing of people's posts is almost on a par with racism and xenophobia.


The Rules and Conditions are posted for all to see.  You explicitly agreed to them when you signed on, Herbie.  Who's fault is that you didn't understand them?

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The whole site reeks of Rightwing fascism.

I'm sorely disappointed in you, Brian. Where are all those liberal values you once used to champion?


Still there.  Where are yours?   Roll Eyes
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Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page)
Reply #155 - May 31st, 2013 at 9:04pm
 
Bugger off, Brian.

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Someone here suggested that Waleed Aly would make a good leader for Australia's 'moderate' Muslims ~~ and I said "You must be joking" - or something to that effect.

Here's more reason for believing this TV-whore and show-boater is a phoney so far as being on the side of the West against Islamic aggressors in the Middle East.

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Muslim Waleed Aly, academic and ABC host, is angry that US soldiers are fighting in ways which makes it impossible for the Taliban to kill them:

    [Drones] so radically and fundamentally alter the nature of war that they risk making war seem far less grave, and far easier to wage.  War is a kind of contract.  Each side confronts the other, with the risk of death and defeat. In short, war should come at a cost. That contract is shredded when you’re attacked by something that cannot itself be killed. It’s not remotely a fair fight.

A word to Aly.  There is no contract of the kind you imagine. The contract a society has is actually with its citizens, not its enemies. That contract is to fight for the society’s self-protection using whatever means it has to minimise its own losses and maximise those of its foes.  For the US to do anything other is not remotely fair to its citizens and to those it asks to fight for them. It has next to no obligation to be fair to terrorists.

But what we are seeing in the battlefield is not just a clash of technology - drones against AK 47s and roadside bombs. It is a clash of cultures, and the weaponry is a product and a measure of each.

The reason the US has drones is it has cultural qualities that Islamic societies - especially those producing Talibani - have so long lacked. It has honored learning, put reason above dogma, encouraged free thought, defended free speech, governed by the rule of law and tolerated heresy. It has opened itself to the world and given its citizens a voice and power through democracy, perhaps the greatest source of its power.

Such a society will inevitably have a scientific edge over its enemies. That edge helps it to survive against even against terrorists who do not share, for instance, its respect for the lives of not just its own soldiers but of the innocent in the lands of its enemies. The culture behind the weaponry is what makes this fight not fair, and no person of reason should wish it otherwise.

For Aly to oppose the use of drones is not just to argue for more US soldiers to be killed. It is to demand the US give up the fruits of democracy and free inquiry, leaving those values more defenceless against cultures pledged to destroy them.

You can side with the drones or with the suicide vests. But in doing so you make a choice not just between technologies, but between freedom and oppression.


I rest my case. Just another snake-in-the-grass.

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Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page)
Reply #156 - May 31st, 2013 at 10:03pm
 
Wow, way to miss the point Andrew Bolt - and Herbert.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #157 - May 31st, 2013 at 11:44pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 9:04pm:
Bugger off, Brian.


What's wrong, Herbie?  Too close to the truth?   Grin
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Reply #158 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 10:50am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 10:03pm:
Wow, way to miss the point Andrew Bolt - and Herbert.


Abu Mustafa Gandalf ~ The point is that this phoney 'Australian' finds it hard to cope with the fact that Infidel America is kicking Muslim arse over there in that rock-ape country known as Afghanistan.

He wants the Americans to give his fellow-Muslims a better chance at striking back.

Afghanistan has enough heroin drug-money to buy whatever arms they like.

Why doesn't Waleed Aly advocate that the Western forces in Afghanistan wipe out the poppy fields and sow the soil with arsenic for the good of future generations of Western youth and young men and women?

But no.

He's pissed off that the Infidel Western forces have the weapons technology to give the Muslims a hard time. 

And why doesn't he condemn all those Australian Muslims who have gone over to Syria to join up as volunteers with the al-Qaeda-affiliated rebel forces?


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Reply #159 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 1:14pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 10:50am:
He's pissed off that the Infidel Western forces have the weapons technology to give the Muslims a hard time.


No. The point was to warn against the type of warfare that gives the illusion of zero risk and minimal cost. The belief that war can be a "win-win" is a very dangerous situation - and makes other nations (including muslim nations) want to get on board. The context of this danger is the proliferation of drone technology by the Chinese at a fraction of the cost of the American version. In the long term this proliferation of war, and new arms race will suck for the US just as much as for the muslim world.
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Reply #160 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 3:37pm
 
Waleed Aly is an Egyptian Muslim.

He's NOT Australian outside of some official paperwork.

He wasn't even happy to let his wife remain with her own religion. That alone disqualifies him from being an Australian.

He wears a designer Middle Eastern beard of scruffy appearance much beloved of Middle Eastern Muslims in Australia.

He wears this 'Middle Eastern' beard with pride, knowing only too well that it defines him as Middle Eastern, and not Australian.

Facial hair as worn by him is not an Australian style except worn by Middle Easterners.

Muslim Middle Easterner.

And this is the turkey who never said a word about Egyptians selling rockets to Hamas on the Gaza Strip to fire off at Israeli civilian targets.

Snake-in-the-grass.




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Reply #161 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 4:41pm
 
did you read his piece on the Sydney protests?

Also, I assume you have some evidence that he forced his wife to convert to islam?
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Reply #162 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 6:01pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 4:41pm:
did you read his piece on the Sydney protests?

Also, I assume you have some evidence that he forced his wife to convert to islam?


What do you think?

It would have been okay if she had remained a Non-Believer, and thus causing 'shame and humiliation' upon him for her defying her husband's authority as a Muslim and as Head of the House?

How would that have gone down in the Muslim community? He would have been a laughing stock, and been told she had stolen his balls away.
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Reply #163 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 6:04pm
 
so I guess thats a no then.
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Reply #164 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 6:26pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 3:37pm:

Waleed Aly is an Egyptian Muslim.

He's NOT Australian outside of some official paperwork.


He wasn't even happy to let his wife remain with her own religion. That alone disqualifies him from being an Australian.

He wears a designer Middle Eastern beard of scruffy appearance much beloved of Middle Eastern Muslims in Australia.

He wears this 'Middle Eastern' beard with pride, knowing only too well that it defines him as Middle Eastern, and not Australian.

Facial hair as worn by him is not an Australian style except worn by Middle Easterners.

Muslim Middle Easterner.

And this is the turkey who never said a word about Egyptians selling rockets to Hamas on the Gaza Strip to fire off at Israeli civilian targets.

Snake-in-the-grass.





Spot on, imo, Herbert.

They are here for on behalf of, ISLAM.



"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."
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