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Reply #241 - Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:29pm

True Colours wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:09pm:

Mainstream Muslim do not practice taqiyya Yadda. 90% of Muslims around the world follow the mainstream Sunni Islam.

The concept of taqiyya was invented and practiced only by the Shia sect.

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This practice was emphasized in Shi'a Islam whereby adherents may conceal their religion when they are under threat, persecution, or compulsion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

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Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

Hey True_Colours,

Taqiyya is NOT practised by Sunnis, right ?

Answer me this question;

Is the moslem above, Muhammad Taqi Usmani, a Sunni ???

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Reply #242 - Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:47pm

The wikipedia page on taqiyya says that it is denying one's faith in order to avoid persecution. What this Mr Usmani was advocating is nothing to do with that.

I must admit I hadn't heard of the term until I saw it referred to on this forum. Either way, concealing your identity in order to save your life doesn't seem like anything sinister to me.

Funny thing though, my local imam preaches very strongly that denying one's faith in order to save your life is a very grave sin.

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Reply #243 - Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:47pm

Yadda wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:29pm:

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Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

Another fake link

Muslim-haters are fakers. Liars.

Christians have a long history of violent rebellion. Just google the IRA, LRA or Guy Fawkes, and you will see what I mean.

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Reply #244 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 2:57am

TC,

Not a 'FAKE' link.

Just a link that was once alive, and has died.

The news report, was a legitimate one.

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The wikipedia page on taqiyya says that it is denying one's faith in order to avoid persecution. What this Mr Usmani was advocating is nothing to do with that.

I must admit I hadn't heard of the term until I saw it referred to on this forum.....

gandalf,

The issue concerning Taqiyya, is about how moslems use deceitfulness to misrepresent themselves and their intentions [and the nature of ISLAM] to uninformed/ignorant infidels.

It is lawful, for a moslem to do that.

When moslems do that, it can be described as the use of taqiyya.

gandalf,

You claim on this forum to be a moslem.

But when it suits your purposes, and when it is convenient to an argument, you [as a moslem] appear to know surprisingly little about the everyday workings and the doctrines of ISLAM.

At least that is what you appear to want us to believe.

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There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

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Additional Notes:
Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them. The two forms are:

Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true.

Kitman - Lying by omission. An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills "it shall be as if he had killed all mankind") while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of "corruption" and "mischief."

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/011-taqiyya.htm

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Reply #245 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:15am

shockresist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 9:58pm:

shockresist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 8:35pm:

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there is no such thing as taqiyyah in islam

but was invented hundreds years after the prophet Mohamed.

Just like the concept of three god in one in Christianity.Jesus never preached 3 gods in one, but was invented by the lying christians after jesus was gone.

Yes, that is correct shockresist, there is no such thing as taqiyya in ISLAM.

.....AND THE MOON IS MADE OF GREEN CHEESE, TOO!

Google;
"taqiyya in islam"

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

BUT HEY!!!!!, ....THERE IS NO TAQIYYA IN ISLAM FOLKS!!!! Tongue

I don't care what you think.

Again you got your information wrong cause your a parasitic imbecile.

As true colors,

sunni muslims don't believe in Taqiyya

, only the shia muslims believe it.

shockresist,

You appear to be lying.

You are a moslem.

But i repeat myself.

p.s.

shockresist,

Muhammad Taqi Usmani, is a Sunni moslem.

He is practising deceit regarding the intent of ISLAM/moslems, towards infidels in the UK.

And Muhammad Taqi Usmani appears to be, a low deceitful, lying moslem dog.

And he is a Sunni moslem, who is practising taqiyya.

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #246 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:24am

shockresist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:19pm:

..... a dirty American soldier in iraq breaks into your house threatening to rape your daughter and wife, ransack your house,

From all the Muslim rape reports from around the world ~ can you imagine the situation if Iraq and Afghanistan were Christian countries with Muslim soldiers running around the countryside trying to put some Christian nutters back into their box?

There would be reports of wholesale rape in the villages just as we saw in Cairo's Tahrir Square just recently where a staggering 91 hapless females fell prey to rampaging Sons of Islam.

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The credibility problem with you Islam and Muslim defenders and advocates is that you never concede a point no matter how glaringly obvious and how many graphic pictures are presented to you.

This is a form of Taqiyya. It's deceitful, intellectually dishonest, and immature.

96% of all reported rapes in Sweden is committed by Muslims.

But instead of absorbing this unhappy fact, you'll launch into some childish rebuttal of this.

Taqiyya is deceitful ~ and so is the Muslim practice of 'kitman'.

Taqiyya is defined as the practice that is highlighted in Shi'a Islam such that, the believers can hide their religion when under a threat or compulsion. Kitman is the process of paying lip service to authority while still having personal opposition.

My local library had all of its books that discussed Islam stolen from the shelves. This is the sort of insecure, anti-intellectualism that produces the sort of strait-jacketed, ignorant society that can get 91 women raped in a public square within a period of just two weeks by mobs of Muslims acting like a herd of feral pigs.

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Reply #247 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:35am

Yadda wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 2:57am:

gandalf,

You claim on this forum to be a moslem.

But when it suits your purposes, and when it is convenient to an argument, you [as a moslem] appear to know surprisingly little about the everyday workings and the doctrines of ISLAM.

Perhaps because taqiyya is not an everyday working of islam, and certainly isn't part of the doctrines of islam. Can you quote any part of islamic doctrine that supports your view of what taqiyya is (ie doesn't have to be to for mere protection - but to "advance the cause of islam")? - as opposed to what hate sites like religion of peace tell you what it is?

You've never been shy to use islamic doctrine before to support your bigotry Y - why not now?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #248 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:16am

Get up any morning of the year and turn on the news ~ and there's a story about some sort of criminality or violence being perpetrated by someone from Australia's 2% Muslim community.

Same when you turn on the 6 O'Clock evening news. Only 2 to 3 % of the Australian population, but sure enough there'll be a story about Muslims getting up to mischief with a jailable offence.

And here we go again.

Ever since 9/11 the public's group-consciousness has been storing images of Muslim mischief from around the world.

The ordinary Western person in a dozen Western countries has come to learn that allowing the mass-immigration of Muslims from the Middle East was an exercise in opening up a Pandora's Box of violence, rape, crime, and dole-bludging on the scale of a biblical damnation.

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Reply #249 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:35am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:35am:

Yadda wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 2:57am:

gandalf,

You claim on this forum to be a moslem.

But when it suits your purposes, and when it is convenient to an argument, you [as a moslem] appear to know surprisingly little about the everyday workings and the doctrines of ISLAM.

Perhaps because taqiyya is not an everyday working of islam, and certainly isn't part of the doctrines of islam.

Can you quote any part of islamic doctrine that supports your view of what taqiyya is (ie doesn't have to be to for mere protection - but to "advance the cause of islam")?

- as opposed to what hate sites like religion of peace tell you what it is?

You've never been shy to use islamic doctrine before to support your bigotry Y - why not now?

The sunna of Mohammed [as well as the content of the Koran] has been used by moslems to justify and to define ISLAM's 'religious' doctrines.

Dictionary;
Sunna = = the traditional portion of Muslim law based on Muhammad’s words or acts, accepted (together with the Koran) as authoritative by Muslims.

Quote:

Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).

....Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."

....Bukhari (50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.

From Islamic Law:
Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression...

.....Additional Notes:

Muhammad clearly used deception when he signed a 10-year treaty with the Meccans that allowed him access to their city while he secretly prepared his own forces for a takeover. The unsuspecting residents were conquered in easy fashion after he broke the treaty two years later, and some of the people in the city who had trusted him at his word were executed.

Another example of lying is when Muhammad used deception to trick his personal enemies into letting down their guard and exposing themselves to slaughter by pretending to seek peace. This happened in the case of Ka'b bin al-Ashraf (as previously noted) and again later against Usayr ibn Zarim, a surviving leader of the Banu Nadir tribe, which had been evicted from their home in Medina by the Muslims.

At the time, Usayr ibn Zarim was attempting to gather an armed force against the Muslims from among a tribe allied with the Quraish (against which Muhammad had already declared war). Muhammad's "emissaries" went to ibn Zarim and persuaded him to leave his safe haven on the pretext of meeting with the prophet of Islam in Medina to discuss peace. Once vulnerable, the leader and his thirty companions were massacred by the Muslims with ease, belying the probability that they were mostly unarmed, having been given a guarantee of safe passage (Ibn Ishaq 981).

Such was the reputation of Muslims for lying and then killing that even those who "accepted Islam" did not feel entirely safe. The fate of the Jadhima is tragic evidence for this. When Muslim "missionaries" approached their tribe one of the members insisted that they would be slaughtered even though they had already "converted" to Islam to avoid just such a demise. However, the others were convinced that they could trust the Muslim leader's promise that they would not be harmed if they simply offered no resistance. (After convincing the skeptic to lay down his arms, the unarmed men of the tribe were quickly tied up and beheaded - Ibn Ishaq 834 & 837).

Today's Muslims often try to justify Muhammad's murder of poets and others who criticized him at Medina by saying that they broke a treaty by their actions. Yet, these same apologists place little value on treaties broken by Muslims. From Muhammad to Saddam Hussein, promises made to non-Muslim are distinctly non-binding in the Muslim mindset.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/011-taqiyya.htm

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Reply #250 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:37am

Yadda wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:15am:

shockresist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 9:58pm:

shockresist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 8:35pm:

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there is no such thing as taqiyyah in islam

but was invented hundreds years after the prophet Mohamed.

Just like the concept of three god in one in Christianity.Jesus never preached 3 gods in one, but was invented by the lying christians after jesus was gone.

Yes, that is correct shockresist, there is no such thing as taqiyya in ISLAM.

.....AND THE MOON IS MADE OF GREEN CHEESE, TOO!

Google;
"taqiyya in islam"

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

BUT HEY!!!!!, ....THERE IS NO TAQIYYA IN ISLAM FOLKS!!!! Tongue

I don't care what you think.

Again you got your information wrong cause your a parasitic imbecile.

As true colors,

sunni muslims don't believe in Taqiyya

, only the shia muslims believe it.

shockresist,

You appear to be lying.

You are a moslem.

But i repeat myself.

p.s.

shockresist,

Muhammad Taqi Usmani, is a Sunni moslem.

He is practising deceit regarding the intent of ISLAM/moslems, towards infidels in the UK.

And Muhammad Taqi Usmani appears to be, a low deceitful, lying moslem dog.

And he is a Sunni moslem, who is practising taqiyya.

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

Boo hoo hoo.

There a billion muslims in this world, since when is one comment by a individual indicative of what muslims believe in?

That's was only his opinion, and has nothing to do with taqiyya.

George Bush said that God gave him green light to attack Iraq.Does that mean every American is guilty because of his comments?

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Reply #251 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:08am

shockresist wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:37am:

Yadda wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:15am:

shockresist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 9:58pm:

shockresist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 8:35pm:

....

there is no such thing as taqiyyah in islam

but was invented hundreds years after the prophet Mohamed.

Just like the concept of three god in one in Christianity.Jesus never preached 3 gods in one, but was invented by the lying christians after jesus was gone.

Yes, that is correct shockresist, there is no such thing as taqiyya in ISLAM.

.....AND THE MOON IS MADE OF GREEN CHEESE, TOO!

Google;
"taqiyya in islam"

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

BUT HEY!!!!!, ....THERE IS NO TAQIYYA IN ISLAM FOLKS!!!! Tongue

I don't care what you think.

Again you got your information wrong cause your a parasitic imbecile.

As true colors,

sunni muslims don't believe in Taqiyya

, only the shia muslims believe it.

shockresist,

You appear to be lying.

You are a moslem.

But i repeat myself.

p.s.

shockresist,

Muhammad Taqi Usmani, is a Sunni moslem.

He is practising deceit regarding the intent of ISLAM/moslems, towards infidels in the UK.

And Muhammad Taqi Usmani appears to be, a low deceitful, lying moslem dog.

And he is a Sunni moslem, who is practising taqiyya.

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

Boo hoo hoo.

There a billion muslims in this world, since when is one comment by a individual indicative of what muslims believe in?

That's was only his opinion, and has nothing to do with taqiyya.

Yes of course you are correct, shockresist.

Once again, we see that the behaviour of one miscreant moslem, even if he is a respected scholar and "A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court", his miscreant behaviour and actions have absolutely nothing to do with, nor have any connection with 'real', 'mainstream' ISLAM, and the beliefs of 'real' moslems.

Of course. Tongue

Is there wrong doing among moslems ?

Not the fault of moslems.

In fact the wrong doer, can no longer be accepted as 'representative' of being a 'real' moslem.

[psssst, in fact, that guy Muhammad Taqi Usmani, he is prolly an infidel who is impersonating a moslem, so as to bring ISLAM into disrepute!!!! yes! that's it! Grin

]

From the moslem camp, denial, always denial.

Denial.

Denial.

Denial.

NEVER, EVER, an open heart, ....to accept and acknowledge what is truth.i

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shockresist,

God, the God of creation, does not like people like you.

Moslems.

Liars, deceivers.

Psalms 28:3
Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.

shockresist,

You are so into the denial, and the deception, and the lies of ISLAM, that you can't even see it.

See what ?

You can't even recognise shockresist, that you and your moslem brothers, are the Kuffar which you despise!!

shockresist, you and your moslem brothers, are the Kuffar!!!

shockresist,

Why do you think that God has allowed you, to have such a black, lying, deceitful heart ?

Is it because you despise what is true, continually, repeatedly ?

"Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar"

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229682951/0#0
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Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar, YOU are the unbeliever.

You who embrace ISLAM, your own lies and deception, have become a witness against you, before God.

You muslims insist that ONLY muslims are the 'properly guided'.

Is he who is on a path of lies and deception, 'properly guided'??

AN EXPLANATION OF THE WORD 'KUFFAR'...

"kuffar" = = "...is an Arabic word meaning.....[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuffar

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Reply #252 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:12am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 3:10pm:

hate to interrupt the party, but the rape fatwa is probably a fake:

http://www.clarionproject.org/news/saudi-cleric-issues-fatwa-allowing-gang-rape-...

Is this the same cleric that said Yemen girls mature at an earlier age because of the sun, thus allowing them to be married just like Aisha?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j--DHnRRDE

See he has a full palace Grin

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Reply #253 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:37am

Yadda wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:35am:

The sunna of Mohammed [as well as the content of the Koran] has been used by moslems to justify and to define ISLAM's 'religious' doctrines.

I would put 'the content of the Koran' first and 'The sunna of Mohammed' in parenthesis - since the Quran is definitely the most important of the two. But you are right - this is the source of islamic doctrine.

Interesting then that your entire "doctrinal" (as per the above definition) basis of your claims about taqiyya comes down to a single three word statement by the prophet "war is deceit". Which I would have thought was kind of a no-brainer - but doesn't really relate to what you claimed about taqiyya. The rest of your "doctrinal basis" comes from the spin provided by religionofpeace - making such solid claims like "Muhammad clearly used deception when he signed a 10-year treaty with the Meccans..."

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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