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Reply #271 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:28pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:30pm:

moses wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

I used to think that one day islam / muslims would admit that violence / hatred / bigotry and oppression, were an inextricable part of islam / allah / muhammad / qur'an.

I used to think this admission would lead to a reformation.

I now believe that because muslims will never tell the truth, and admit to the inherent evil of their cult / deity / founder, a peceful solution is not possible.

The time will come when the rest of the world will turn on the malevolence of islam with a vengeance.

muslims will pay dearly.

All this could be avoided by muslims and their apologists telling the truth now.

There needs to be the creation of a new Islamic sect that leaves no doubt in the mind of ordinary Westerners that they are genuinely sympathetic to the social values and moral viewpoint of the average Westerner

~ and that their first loyalty is to the (Western) country of their birth and not that of universal Islam.

If they remain as Sunni or Sh'ia while continuing to deny the existence of the elephant in the room ~ which is Islamic terrorism ~ then I'm afraid God help them if someone of Hitler's mindset should manage to capture the sympathy of a Western world that is thoroughly sick of hearing about Muslim criminals, rapists, arsonists, and terror-bombers.

Herbert,

That is NEVER, EVER, going to happen. [...that type of concession by real moslems]

Such a view/opinion is totally opposed in ISLAM.

And it is anathema to the views that are expressed within ISLAMIC texts, about the type of relationship moslems MUST hold towards the Kuffar - utter contempt and hatred.

e.g.
The very word Kuffar, conveys ISLAM's absolute contempt for all disbelievers and their systems of law and society [being un-ISLAMIC].

Kuffar = dirt, filth, sh it, an unbeliever

And that word, Kuffar, [that is a means of conveying moslems denigration and disrespect towards disbelievers!] is the word which almost all moslems commonly use, to refer to non-moslems.

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Further evidence confirming the reality, that ISLAM is in a circumstance of neverending warfare, with all non-moslems, and with all non-moslem jurisdictions, WHOM THEY MUST HOLD IN UTTER CONTEMPT....

"As to the relationship between Muslims and infidels,..."

...OBL

"....Battle, animosity, and hatred -- directed from the Muslim to the infidel -- is the foundation of our religion.."

OBL

ISLAM's way of achieving 'peace' explained - according to Osama Bin Laden...
OR,
Advice to real moslems, on how to be 'rightly guided' in your worldly relationships with infidels.

November 10, 2008
Raymond Ibrahim: "Islam's Doctrines of Deception"
Quote:

"As to the relationship between Muslims and infidels, this is summarized by the Most High's Word: ‘We renounce you. Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us -- till you believe in Allah alone’ [Koran 60:4]. So there is an enmity, evidenced by fierce hostility from the heart. And this fierce hostility -- that is, battle -- ceases only if the infidel submits to the authority of Islam, or if his blood is forbidden from being shed [i.e., a dhimmi], or if Muslims are at that point in time weak and incapable [i.e., taqiyya]. But if the hate at any time extinguishes from the heart, this is great apostasy! Such, then, is the basis and foundation of the relationship between the infidel and the Muslim. Battle, animosity, and hatred -- directed from the Muslim to the infidel -- is the foundation of our religion. And we consider this a justice and kindness to them" (from The Al Qaeda Reader).
.....It bears repeating that this hostile world view is well supported by all of Islam’s schools of jurisprudence."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/11/raymond-ibrahim-islams-doctrines-of-deception....

n.b. the words....

".....But if the hate at any time extinguishes from the heart [of a moslem], this is great apostasy!"

Translation....

i.e.
ISLAM is teaching moslems, commanding moslems, that you can only be a REAL moslem, if you have a [open or, concealed] burning, never-ending HATRED for all non-moslems.

AND more truth about 'immoderate' ISLAM....

Un-ISLAMIC society [in the world] is referred to as 'Jahiliyya', by the ISLAMISTS [moslems].

Quote:

"THE RIGHT TO JUDGE"
"It is not the function of Islam to compromise with the concepts of Jahiliyya which are current in the world or to co-exist in the same land together with a jahili system........"

SAYYID QUTB - ISLAMIC scholar
http://www.islamworld.net/justice.html

OR, Google;
"THE RIGHT TO JUDGE" SAYYID QUTB

Jahiliyya is a result of the lack of Sharia law,

"....Jahiliyya is a result of the lack of Sharia law, without which Islam cannot exist;"
"...true Islam is a complete system with no room for any element of Jahiliyya"
"...all aspects of Jahiliyya...are "evil and corrupt" "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahiliyya#Jahiliyya_in_contemporary_society

The 'Jahiliyya' [un-ISLAMIC] lifestyle is totally incompatible with ISLAM.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #272 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:06pm

Yadda ~ I believe it's possible for new schisms to occur amongst the Islamic congregation just as happened with Sunni, Sh'ia, Wahhabi, etc.

Check this out ... Pro-Western Muslims.

These are good people. They are sick of being tarred with the same brush as the delinquents who do the bombings and the hate-speech.

These people genuinely want to become Muslims who subscribe only to the best instructions and teachings of their faith that are acceptable to Western values.

More strength to them I say.

These people are very bravely organising a protest against the Muslim hardliners who want Sharia Law to be legalised in the UK. It takes guts and sincerity to challenge the Muslim hardliners.

They deserve our respect and good wishes.

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Reply #273 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:29pm

Yadda wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:28pm:

And it is anathema to the views that are expressed within ISLAMIC texts, about the type of relationship moslems MUST hold towards the Kuffar - utter contempt and hatred.

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The very word Kuffar, conveys ISLAM's absolute contempt for all disbelievers and their systems of law and society [being un-ISLAMIC].

Kuffar = dirt, filth, sh it, an unbeliever

Arabic doesn't even have a word for 'unbeliever'

'Kuffar' is actually the Arabic plural of 'kafir'.

'Kafir' literally means 'concealer' - the implication being someone who conceals of the truth.

Kafir describes you perfectly Yadda doesn't it?

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Reply #276 - Jul 27^th, 2013 at 8:32am

Yadda wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

shockresist wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:37am:

Yadda wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:15am:

shockresist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 9:58pm:

shockresist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 8:35pm:

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there is no such thing as taqiyyah in islam

but was invented hundreds years after the prophet Mohamed.

Just like the concept of three god in one in Christianity.Jesus never preached 3 gods in one, but was invented by the lying christians after jesus was gone.

Yes, that is correct shockresist, there is no such thing as taqiyya in ISLAM.

.....AND THE MOON IS MADE OF GREEN CHEESE, TOO!

Google;
"taqiyya in islam"

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

BUT HEY!!!!!, ....THERE IS NO TAQIYYA IN ISLAM FOLKS!!!! Tongue

I don't care what you think.

Again you got your information wrong cause your a parasitic imbecile.

As true colors,

sunni muslims don't believe in Taqiyya

, only the shia muslims believe it.

shockresist,

You appear to be lying.

You are a moslem.

But i repeat myself.

p.s.

shockresist,

Muhammad Taqi Usmani, is a Sunni moslem.

He is practising deceit regarding the intent of ISLAM/moslems, towards infidels in the UK.

And Muhammad Taqi Usmani appears to be, a low deceitful, lying moslem dog.

And he is a Sunni moslem, who is practising taqiyya.

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

Boo hoo hoo.

There a billion muslims in this world, since when is one comment by a individual indicative of what muslims believe in?

That's was only his opinion, and has nothing to do with taqiyya.

Yes of course you are correct, shockresist.

Once again, we see that the behaviour of one miscreant moslem, even if he is a respected scholar and "A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court", his miscreant behaviour and actions have absolutely nothing to do with, nor have any connection with 'real', 'mainstream' ISLAM, and the beliefs of 'real' moslems.

Of course. Tongue

NEVER, EVER, an open heart, ....to accept and acknowledge what is truth.i

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shockresist,

God, the God of creation, does not like people like you.

Moslems.

Liars, deceivers.

Psalms 28:3
Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.

shockresist,

You are so into the denial, and the deception, and the lies of ISLAM, that you can't even see it.

See what ?

You can't even recognise shockresist, that you and your moslem brothers, are the Kuffar which you despise!!

shockresist, you and your moslem brothers, are the Kuffar!!!

shockresist,

Why do you think that God has allowed you, to have such a black, lying, deceitful heart ?

Is it because you despise what is true, continually, repeatedly ?

"Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar"

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229682951/0#0
Quote:

Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar, YOU are the unbeliever.

You who embrace ISLAM, your own lies and deception, have become a witness against you, before God.

You muslims insist that ONLY muslims are the 'properly guided'.

Is he who is on a path of lies and deception, 'properly guided'??

AN EXPLANATION OF THE WORD 'KUFFAR'...

"kuffar" = = "...is an Arabic word meaning.....[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuffar

Your right yadda-God of creation hates people like you.

As the Koran mentions-

And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers."

Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.

And when it is said to them: "Believe as the people have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not.

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Reply #277 - Jul 27^th, 2013 at 9:28am

True Colours wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:29pm:

'Kafir' literally means 'concealer' - the implication being someone who conceals of the truth.

You didn't finish your lecture here ~ and you know you didn't, because it wouldn't suit your purpose.

So let me finish it for you.

Kafir > concealer/ denier. In this context the person is concealing his Muslim identity which according to Islam we are all born with by default.

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Reply #278 - Jul 27^th, 2013 at 5:29pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 9:28am:

True Colours wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:29pm:

'Kafir' literally means 'concealer' - the implication being someone who conceals of the truth.

You didn't finish your lecture here ~ and you know you didn't, because it wouldn't suit your purpose.

So let me finish it for you.

Kafir > concealer/ denier. In this context the person is concealing his Muslim identity which according to Islam we are all born with by default.

No.

Kafir = Concealer (of the true message of the Quran)

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Reply #279 - Jul 28^th, 2013 at 2:25pm

black people in the Hood.

It was inevitable that black gangs were going to be a by-product of opening up the UK to black immigration.

And here they are ~ aping America's gangsta culture to deadly effect.

Anybody who is obviously not of British descent I would have deported back to their original homeland if they drew a sentence of more than 12 months.

Back to the West Indies, back to Nigeria and Ghana, back to India and Pakistan, and back to the Middle East.

Ship 'em out as a filtering system. Within only one generation the ones who remained in the UK would be a lot more trustworthy.

In the UK: Negroes are 3% of the population >> yet comprise 12% of the prison inmates.

Post them off-shore when they've done their time.

When I was in the UK we had none of these black gangs.

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Reply #282 - Jul 28^th, 2013 at 4:54pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

Tell me who the bugger wit is in this wonderful exposure of tolerance.

I keep seeing this crap to challenge the white, christian, whoever.. To be fair, they should be recording the both sides of racism. Otherwise, we are only seeing one side of it. There is just as many f*ckwits on the other side. Don't you agree?
I was a victim once

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Reply #283 - Jul 28^th, 2013 at 5:00pm

Torpedo wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 4:54pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

Tell me who the bugger wit is in this wonderful exposure of tolerance.

I keep seeing this crap to challenge the white, christian, whoever.. To be fair, they should be recording the both sides of racism. Otherwise, we are only seeing one side of it. There is just as many f*ckwits on the other side. Don't you agree?
I was a victim once

So, who was the phuckwit? The racist rude taxi driver or the bigot passenger?

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Reply #284 - Jul 28^th, 2013 at 8:55pm

Torpedo wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 4:54pm:

To be fair, they should be recording the both sides of racism.

And pigs will fly before that ever happens.

It's a One Way Only agenda from the politicians and the media.

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Meanwhile .... back to The Usual Suspects.

'Rape and murder' threats ... sound familiar?

Who in today's Britain would be so upset at the prospect of having to handle money with a woman's picture on it that they would be moved to email threats of rape and murder to the person who was responsible for this 'outrage'.

Take a wild guess, True Colours, gandalf, et al.

Throw caution to the wind, and just take a wild guess.

There will be a day of reckoning.

Enoch Powell's prediction has not yet arrived, but the elements that are needed for such a 'reconfiguration' of British society have been building in the public consciousness for many years now.

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