Torpedo wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:34am:


Most of Palestine is not really desert as such but rather it has more of a Mediterranean climate - apart from the Negev Desert in the south.

Anyway it is a bit of a misconception to think that all women living in deserts traditionally covered up.

Torpedo wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 11:31am:

That is incorrect. There is no mention in the Quran about anyone being forced to wear anything. There is no basis in Islam for forcing women to cover.



True Colours wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 11:18am:


I think that your fears are unfounded. I know many Western women and even Jews who have travelled through Middle Eastern countries without problem. When I was in university I even travelled with groups of Westerners to the Middle East - and the young uncovered Western women were always safe.

If the country is facing political instability then it may not be safe to visit, but the most stable countries like Jordan or Morocco are very safe to visit.

When I lived in Saudi, one of the things that struck me was how much safer women were there than in Australia - I can remember walking home one night at 11pm and seeing women going around shopping by themselves. Couldn't imagine women in Australia feeling safe to walk around late at night.

I would feel safer to take my daughters to most Muslim countries rather than Mexico, Brazil or even Argentina.

Do you have any idea of the levels of crime in Brazil or Mexico?


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True Colours wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:42pm:


True Colours wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:42pm:


'Egalitarian' ~ my arse! You read that off a bumper sticker, didn't you? 

If you want justice, you have to pay a king's ransom for a top barrister.

Our political parties are morally and politically compromised by people and organisations that pay massive contribution funds to the electoral campaigns.

Medical care depends on the affordability of Private Medical Insurance.

A full third of the workforce is on Casual Work conditions ~ with no option for a mortgage.

'Egalitarian' ~ my arse. My Italian landlord of 15 years made very certain to employ only Italians for any jobs needing done.

Thousands of shops throughout Australia employ only Greeks, Italians, or Arabs, depending upon who owns the shop.

'Egalitarian' ~ my sainted aunt!

There are Chinese-Australian factories in the Sydney area who advertise 'Must be able to speak Cantonese/Mandarin'.

True Colours wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:42pm:
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'Sycophancy'?

Which country still bows the knee to the English royals after more than 200 years?

True Colours wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:42pm:


Huh?

Which country trots it's new parliamentarians before the Governor-General to get his/her blessings on behalf of the queen of England?

True Colours wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:42pm:


Fair enough. I'll keep quiet then. You only had to ask politely. Sheesh. 

True Colours wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:42pm:


Damn good job, too. There's nothing worse than the 'donkey vote' to screw up a country.

True Colours wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:42pm:


That's rich coming from a Muslim whose religion was forced upon independent nations at the point of a scimitar... and was only stopped at the gates of Vienna.

And what are you doing here in Australia as a willing receiver of stolen goods? By not returning to your parent's original homeland you are voting with your feet to partake in the spoils of Britain's looting of this country.

Correct?

Have you paid any aborigines for the land your house is built on? No? Why not? Why shouldn't you pay them compensation for being a willing partner in the theft of their land?

Glass houses.

True Colours wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:42pm:


Read the book '1788' by David Hill. Also read anything by Keith Windschuttle. Only 30 years after the first arrival of the Brits ~ Englishmen were being hanged for killing aborigines. Compare this to what the Spanish did in South America.

Compare this to any of the dozen or so Western colonial powers. Hang one of their own for killing one of the local savages? And pigs would fly first.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 4:38pm:


True Colours wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:42pm:


So, we both can't be trusted?

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 4:38pm:


True Colours wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:42pm:


It was insurance for the US's continued protection against invasion from the north.

True Colours wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:42pm:


It's what every able-bodied Australian male did in several world wars. You help the Good Guys against the Bad Guys.

True Colours wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:42pm:


Aaaaah, and now we come to the crux of it. Your primary loyalties rest with those of the Ummah, and not with the Australian kuffars.

Your politics is that of the Middle East, and not that of Australia and her Western allies.

Your law is Sharia, and not that of Australia's secular laws.

Sad to say, but I would have you quietly deported back to your ancestral homeland. If you are so enamored with Islam and Islamic societies around the world ~ then Australia is not for you.

True Colours wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 12:32pm:

Then WHY!!! ffs, WHY!!! this woman who refused to take off her veil to the policeman named him RACIST!???
I don't believe a word you say, neither any of your co-believers.



True Colours wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

Oh, rubbish! Western society maybe not exactly an ideal world (so are all other societies) but at least she can expect more than a muslim woman, and certainly won't be scorned at if she didn't cover her head. I am not saying western women or men are perfect, but it's definitely more 'female' friendly society.  I came across many middle eastern first generation men, and I can declare with 100% confidence that even those who lived here more than 20 years don't belong in this society, some of them don't even hide their frustration regarding women having too much freedom. The one thing that makes me mad regarding western society is why we continue closing our eyes on this behavior, and instead of fixing this problem we create an even larger one by allowing more of this kind of immigration.

True Colours wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

And I personally know of many women who married arab-muslims in Australia and regretted it.
I know many western/white/christian/jewish women who travelled and lived in Middle-East, and the feedback isn't all that positive. In fact very negative. Don't pretend you don't know that most fanatic muslim countries, like saudi don't allow women being dressed in a singlet and shorts? And this you call safe
Many countries face political instability right now, but no country is charging women for being dressed inappropriately.
True Colours wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

Only if they cover up in a sack, and still - not guaranteed!
I don't think it's all that dangerous in Sydney, the areas where shops operate till late is pretty safe, don't go to Lakemba, or Auburn, or Kings Cross, of course, that I wouldn't advise, but places such as The Rocks, or CBD, or any shopping centre - no problem!

Torpedo wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 2:12pm:

I believe that the woman in question was a new convert to Islam and did not have a good deep understanding of what is and isn't allowed in Islam.

Even the most conservative Islamic scholars say that a woman should show her face if there is a need to verify identity.


Torpedo wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 2:12pm:

You don't need to believe what I say. Go look through the Quran yourself, it does say that women should be forced to wear anything. It  doesn't even mention covering the face at all.


Torpedo wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 2:12pm:

I disagree. In the West wives are expected to work and have incomes, in Islam the husband is expected to provide all the income for the family. The Muslim wife can work if she chooses and keeps all her income for herself.

In the West, women are judged on their outward beauty rather than their inner qualities. Women who are not beautified in the West get treated with disdain - studies even who that they receive less attention from female sales assistants.


Torpedo wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 2:12pm:


I guess that really depends on what women want. As I said earlier, women in Saudi Arabia are much safer than they are in Australia.

In many Middle Eastern countries, female-operated taxi services are available which makes life much safer for women than they are in Australia. Lebanon, Kuwait and UAE and Iran have female-driven taxis.

In many Middle Eastern countries female-only carriages operate on trains so a woman can choose to sit away from men if she wants.

Many women in Western countries would love to have these safe  services available to them.





Torpedo wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 2:12pm:

Once again, you are confusing culture with religion. I find that the daughters of religious Muslims tend to be more educated than cultural unreligious people. My wife has a teaching degree as well as graduating with honours in psychology - her father was a president of a mosque committee.


Torpedo wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 2:12pm:

Ironic that you show the same sort of bigotry to immigrants that you accuse them of showing to women.



Torpedo wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 2:12pm:

Saudi is one country out of 56 or so Muslim countries. The Saudi government follows the Hanbali school of Islamic jurisprudence. Only about 1 or 2% of Muslims follow the Hanbali school. So nearly 99% of Muslims around the world follow the opinion that Islam does not require a woman to cover face - even on a voluntary basis.



Torpedo wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 2:12pm:


Yes Saudi is very safe.

True Colours wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:08pm:

who cares, new convert or not, her male friend was there too, and instead of punishing them for malice accusation of a public servant, they pat them on the back for having lack of islamic knowledge, what a load of crap! Our system should certainly have major renovations! And YOU are excusing this woman. You should be ashamed of people like these in your religion.

True Colours wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:11pm:

she learnt how to speak english well, but that's all she is capable of.
She is considering ONLY herself, and ONLY muslim women, not those around her, not those she chose to live with.
Zero sympathy.

True Colours wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 11:18am:



Are you a 'monotheistic Muslim"?  If so, only madmen would want to become like you.