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Reply #375 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:48pm

Torpedo wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:34pm:

True Colours wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:08pm:

Go look through the Quran yourself, it does say that women should be forced to wear anything. It doesn't even mention covering the face at all.

that's right, so get rid of these burqas, it's just a menacing, redoubtable nonsense, it hinders the development of 'multiculturalism' and restrains the rest of us. I am not against the women, but I am against the violence associated in order to have it their way

You would violently stop women burqas because somehow that prevents violence? Cheesy

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Reply #376 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:51pm

True Colours wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:08pm:

I guess that really depends on what women want. As I said earlier, women in Saudi Arabia are much safer than they are in Australia.

In many Middle Eastern countries, female-operated taxi services are available which makes life much safer for women than they are in Australia. Lebanon, Kuwait and UAE and Iran have female-driven taxis.

In many Middle Eastern countries female-only carriages operate on trains so a woman can choose to sit away from men if she wants.

Many women in Western countries would love to have these safe services available to them.

Exactly, and somehow you keep forgetting this very truth, that western women have totally different values, and you don't respect it. You take a chance at mocking, taunting and ridicule, yet you expect to have some tolerance from the west.
Also, many western women don't really want these stupid first class services available to them, that you are trying to advertise, or other 'animal' needs - which, by the way, you so cordially tried to argue against western people previously in one of your comments.
Anyway, I think I've drawn a little picture of you. I think you should probably live in Saudi

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Reply #377 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:53pm

True Colours wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Torpedo wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:34pm:

True Colours wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:08pm:

Go look through the Quran yourself, it does say that women should be forced to wear anything. It doesn't even mention covering the face at all.

that's right, so get rid of these burqas, it's just a menacing, redoubtable nonsense, it hinders the development of 'multiculturalism' and restrains the rest of us. I am not against the women, but I am against the violence associated in order to have it their way

You would violently stop women burqas because somehow that prevents violence? Cheesy

just like they are so intolerantly demanding the tolerance.

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Reply #378 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 10:01pm

True Colours wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Torpedo wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:34pm:

True Colours wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:08pm:

Go look through the Quran yourself, it does say that women should be forced to wear anything. It doesn't even mention covering the face at all.

that's right, so get rid of these burqas, it's just a menacing, redoubtable nonsense, it hinders the development of 'multiculturalism' and restrains the rest of us. I am not against the women, but I am against the violence associated in order to have it their way

You would violently stop women burqas because somehow that prevents violence? Cheesy

How is the burqa different from the KKK outfit (other than colour)?

Not at ALL.

The mentality beneath the burqa and the KKKrqa is the same - segregationist, supremacist, psychotic, stupid, blinkered.

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Reply #379 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 11:16pm

True Colours wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:08pm:

Once again, you are confusing culture with religion. I find that the daughters of religious Muslims tend to be more educated than cultural unreligious people. My wife has a teaching degree as well as graduating with honours in psychology - her father was a president of a mosque committee.

No doubt, surely there are some well educated, noble and splendid religious people, that's fine, but when they begin to claim Sharia Law, it unavoidably raises quite few eyebrows: how on earth, this aristocratic, well educated and well mannered someone is making such lunatic suggestions.
then you understand something, that you can teach a monkey lots of tricks, doesn't mean you will give it a rudder on a galley

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Reply #380 - Aug 5^th, 2013 at 6:11am

Torpedo wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 9:51pm:

Anyway, I think I've drawn a little picture of you. I think you should probably live in Saudi

Correct.

The hypocrisy of Muslims living in infidel Western societies with whose values they are at odds, is breathtaking.

They worship Mammon before they do their God, while all the time pretending to be here for other reasons.

They are not immigrants, but alien colonisers of our Western homelands. Do we have these conversations with any of the other 200+ ethnicities that have migrated to our Western homeland? ~ No.

The reason? Muslims are not here to assimilate and marry into our culture. Any one marrying a Muslim must first convert to Islam. It's all about colonisation, and feeding back into their community to be a separate entity within the body of the host nation ~ until eventually, "Insha'Allah" ~ they predominate as the leading force in society.

These people have come here not to work with us, but to compete against us for eventual predominance.

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Reply #381 - Aug 5^th, 2013 at 6:28am

Soren wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 10:01pm:

How is the burqa different from the KKK outfit (other than colour)?

Not at ALL.

The mentality beneath the burqa and the KKKrqa is the same - segregationist, supremacist, psychotic, stupid, blinkered.

Good one, Soren.

I saw a fellow get out of a car at the shopping centre the other day... followed by someone in a full burqa. I felt immensely sorry for her.

How is it that our laws do not prohibit this practice as spousal abuse? If I walked around in public in a full KKK outfit in one of Sydney's black neighbourhoods, how long would it take for the police to react to a complaint against me?

In China it used to be the fashion to bind a woman's feet from childhood for reasons of cultural tradition ~ until it was banned by the Chinese themselves.

And yet Muslim society still believes it's appropriate to have their women wrapped up like Egyptian mummies.

I find it offensive that our kids have to view this highly neurotic and alien nonsense in the streets of their own generational homeland.

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Reply #382 - Aug 5^th, 2013 at 10:32am

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How is it that our laws do not prohibit this practice as spousal abuse?

Because women are free to choose what to wear. A woman wearing a burqa is not spousal abuse. A husband forcing her to is. It is important to distinguish the two, otherwise you are defeating the purpose. Banning items of clothing is not a sensible way to defend the right of women to choose for themselves what to wear. Standing up for their rights is. A good example of what I think is the right way to go about it is the ads the government put on TV a while ago about spousal abuse. It sounded like a piece by piece denunciation of all the excuses Muslims give for why their particular flavour of spousal abuse is not actually spousal abuse. "Telling her what to wear" was one of the examples given.

Like it or not, there are some women who freely choose to wear the letterbox outfit.

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Reply #383 - Aug 5^th, 2013 at 12:39pm

freediver wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 10:32am:

Like it or not, there are some women who freely choose to wear the letterbox outfit.

No, it may be a freedom of clothing choice, however, it doesn't mean you will walk around naked, or on another extreme masking your face completely (I guess unless the person is mauled)
In one extreme it violates the social norm, in another it jeopardises the safety, creates radical disequilibrium, in both cases it's paralogism.

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Reply #385 - Aug 5^th, 2013 at 12:44pm

So... freediver... How is the law to know which of the bagged women do so out of fear of violent retribution from their husbands and their husband's family, and which of them do so of their own volition?

It is totally evident from a Western and civilised perspective that women who wear a burqa are practicing a form of self-effacement that is tantamount to the grossest of self-abuse against their dignity as a person, and to the Western society around them.

And I have not the slightest doubt that within the context of Western culture and the hard-fought freedoms that we cherish so much, a mother wearing a burqa in public is a gross abuse of her small children.

No child should be made subject to having to witness her mother moving around in Western society fully bagged-out in an all-concealing black burqa.

And God bless the French for having had the balls to make this ridiculous and humiliating spectacle illegal in France.

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Reply #386 - Aug 5^th, 2013 at 12:51pm

Torpedo wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 12:40pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 6:28am:

[quote author=soren2 link=1366856138/378#378 date=1375617674]
I find it offensive that our kids have to view this highly neurotic and alien nonsense in the streets of their own generational homeland.

I also find it offensive, and extremely selfish

You're shaping up to be someone whose intelligence hasn't allowed you to fall victim to the leftwing BS on these issues.

Unfortunately we can't say the same for Peter Freedman who forgot to wear his BS Flak jacket at the time he was exposed to the corrupting radiation of university Far Left lecturers.

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Reply #387 - Aug 5^th, 2013 at 1:39pm

Torpedo, I have walked around with my face completely covered. I have walked around in a KKK style outfit. No-one freaked out. In fact, masks are part of our culture too. What you get so wound up about these women doing, our society has traditionally done for fun.

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So... freediver... How is the law to know which of the bagged women do so out of fear of violent retribution from their husbands and their husband's family, and which of them do so of their own volition?

The same way the law knows how a woman gets a black eye.

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It is totally evident from a Western and civilised perspective that women who wear a burqa are practicing a form of self-effacement that is tantamount to the grossest of self-abuse against her dignity as a person, and to the society around her.

And I have not the slightest doubt that within the context of Western culture and the hard-fought freedoms that we cherish so much, a mother wearing a burqa in public is a gross abuse of her small children.

No child should be made subject to having to witness her mother moving around in Western society fully bagged-out in an all-concealing black burqa.

It's just an outfit Herbert. Get over it. There are far worse things a child could be subjected to.

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Reply #388 - Aug 5^th, 2013 at 2:09pm

freediver wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

Torpedo, I have walked around with my face completely covered. I have walked around in a KKK style outfit. No-one freaked out. In fact, masks are part of our culture too. What you get so wound up about these women doing, our society has traditionally done for fun.

Occasional fun is not a an everyday sighting, and as much as you want to believe that everyone is ok with that, it's not true, I am not ok with that, it violates my safety, there is never a guarantee who is under the mask, what their intentions. When you defend somebody's rights, doesn't mean you will violate the rights of the others.
Would you like it if you were on a family beach seeing a naked woman or a man, while you are out there with kids? Even if claim it as their billion years culture. Well, in fact it is - Adam and Eve's culture.
Is it normal in today's world?
If you feel like walking around KKK, or a balaclava, it is, lightly put - not reasonable for others around you.
You may feel like wearing turban, fine, as much as it's ubnormal, it's a free world, though, don't also expect others to react normal, because again, it is a free world, everyone is to respect each others opinion, even if the opinion doesn't align with yours.
But when you seeing someone being fully concealed, it's totally unacceptable and irrational. You always need to consider the opportunity cost. [/quote]

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Reply #389 - Aug 5^th, 2013 at 2:41pm

Danger concludes not only in safety issues, another profound point is also the acceptance of female oppression. Because, as you mentioned yourself, and as the history tells us often it's not a free will.
Therefore, it can not be accepted as a free will for some, because it conflicts with the rights of others.

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