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Reply #435 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:17pm:

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

I don't see the word 'rape' anywhere there. Do you?

But its all sophistry innit?

Its ingenious - we can hide the truth without lying - don't you see?

So what is the arabic word for rape?

Zina is unlawful sex which includes consenting adults who may or may not be married.

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Reply #436 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:00pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:00pm:

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 11:39am:

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 11:09am:

Yadda wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:39am:

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ISLAMIC law allows the rape of sex slaves.

Please just bring one verse from the Quran or a hadeeth that backs that claim up and we will know that you are not a liar.

Sheikh Munajid quotes the relevant verses that allow a muslim man to rape his slave.

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Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his slave woman....

I don't see the word 'rape' anywhere there. Do you? If you do I think that maybe you are hallucinating because I have read it twice and it is not there.

Once again, I'll ask, bring the verse from the Quran or hadeeth that says Muslims can rape. if you are not liars I am sure you can do this.

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But let them who find not [the means for] marriage abstain [from sexual relations] until God enriches them from His bounty. And those who seek a contract [for eventual emancipation] from among whom your right hands possess [slaves] - then give them a deed if you know there is within them goodness and enrich them from the wealth of God which He has given you. And do not force your slave girls into sexual service, if they desire chastity, thereby seeking the temporary interests of the worldly life...

- the Quran, an-Noor, v.33

So what is the arabic word for rape, is there one?

Perhaps you imagine that Arabs just grunt and point to their cavemen clubs?

The Arabic word for rape is 'ightisaab".

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:00pm:

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The woman does not have the right to refuse her husband, rather she must respond to his request every time he calls her.

Your attempt at deception is obvious with your cutting off the sentence midway and inserting a fullstop where none exists.

Lets see what the rest of the sentence says:

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so long as that will not harm her

So Islam says a wide does not have the right to deny her husband sex. So you translate that to mean that husband has the right to rape his wife. That is ridiculous. It is like saying this: Australian laws says you don't have the right to murder someone. Therefore if someone murders your relative you have the right to take vigilante revenge action.

What does Islam actually say? Only that if a wife denies her husband sex, then she is making a sin. Just like if a husband denied his wife food he would be in the wrong.

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Al-Bukhaari (3237) and Muslim (1436) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If a man calls his wife to his bed and she refuses, and he spends the night angry with her, the angels curse her until morning.”

Let's think about for a second. How on Earth does the wife refuse to have sex with her husband for the whole night if as you claim Islam permits marital rape. If what you claimed was true, the husband could just rape his wife and there wouldn't be an issue.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:00pm:

The good sheikh says it is Islamic to force a woman to have sex,

No he doesn't. He doesn't say that at all.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:00pm:

he even says you can beat them if they refuse according to quran 4/34, the sheikh gives verses from quran and hadith.

The word used is "tap" and as the sheikh goes on to say "in a manner that does not cause injury" - a tap that signals a husbands displeasure, but does not cause injury.

Even this is just an opinion of a man and there is no verse in the Quran or hadeeth saying that a husband should beat a wife for refusing sex.

On the contrary, the Quran and hadeeth emphasise kind treatment of women.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:00pm:

Does an Noor v33 prohibit you from forcing your slave to work as a prostitute, where does it prohibit rape please enlighten us we are not stupid muslims with an IQ of less than 80
www.quran.com/24/33

The word used in the Quran is 'bagaa' which means both sex outside of marriage and prostitution. It also infers oppression which rape is certainly a type of. I have summed up these meanings with the term "sexual servitude".

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Do not force your maids to sexual servitude

- an-Noor, v.33

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page) Reply #437 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:35pm an-Noor, v.33: and if you compell them allah is forgiving. Only in islam is compelling / forcing a girl to have sex, not raping her. muslims are liars.
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Reply #438 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 11:24pm

moses wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:35pm:

an-Noor, v.33: and if you compell them allah is forgiving.

Only in islam is compelling / forcing a girl to have sex, not raping her.

muslims are liars.

Actually, it turns out that the Islam-bashers are the liars once again.

Why are you distorting the verse?

What it actually says:

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And if someone should force them, then indeed, God is [to them], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful.

eg. God does not hold the forced women as blameworthy.

How does your sick mind twist it round to somehow mean that rape is allowed?

There must be a lot of rot in your brain to come to such a conclusion.

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Reply #439 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:53am

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 9:01am:

Come the revolution, you Muslims will be facing a series of written and oral exams to determine whether or not you are compatible with the culture of the Judeo-Christian/secular host people who built this nation where there was once only red dust and hairless apes looking for grubs beneath loose bark...

...Ethnic cleansing.

Herbert are you one of those EDL retards?

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Reply #441 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 10:13am

moses wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:35pm:

an-Noor, v.33: and if you compell them allah is forgiving.

Only in islam is compelling / forcing a girl to have sex, not raping her.

muslims are liars.

All of them, almost all of the time.

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Google;

Taqiyya and Kitman, islam

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Reply #442 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 10:23am

True Colours wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:53am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 9:01am:

Come the revolution, you Muslims will be facing a series of written and oral exams to determine whether or not you are compatible with the culture of the Judeo-Christian/secular host people who built this nation where there was once only red dust and hairless apes looking for grubs beneath loose bark...

...Ethnic cleansing.

Herbert are you one of those EDL retards?

Haven't you shot yourself Big Time in the foot with this video?

This kid ... "received hundreds of death threats".

While the video has revealed an English kid upset about Islam having moved into his ancestral homeland ~ not an unreasonable attitude to take, I would think ~ it then goes on to exposes the potential for violence of the very people he is objecting to ~ Muslims.

If the video was supposed to be a PR exercise for Islam in Britain, then it has failed miserably.

What it exposed is the presence of immigrant aliens who are happy to call a Death Fatwa upon anyone who opposes Islam in Britain.

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Reply #443 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 10:26am

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 11:24pm:

moses wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:35pm:

an-Noor, v.33: and if you compell them allah is forgiving.

Only in islam is compelling / forcing a girl to have sex, not raping her.

muslims are liars.

Actually, it turns out that the Islam-bashers are the liars once again.

Why are you distorting the verse?

What it actually says:

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And if someone should force them, then indeed, God is [to them], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful.

eg. God does not hold the forced women as blameworthy.

And Allah holds the moslems that forced these women/maids, as without fault.

Raping your 'maids' [i.e. female slaves] is 'lawful' in ISLAM.

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Kuwait: "Female political activist" calls for legalizing sex slavery.....

The activist, Salwa Al-Mutairi, suggested apparently seriously in a video broadcast online that she had been informed by some clerics that affluent Muslim men who fear being seduced or tempted into immoral behavior by the beauty of their female servants, or even of those servants 'casting spells' on them, would be better to purchase women from an 'enslaved maid' agency for sexual purposes.

This is not religiously forbidden," she added, indicating that Caliph Haroun Al-Rashid (766-809 AD) was married to one woman but possessed 200 concubines.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1307539638/0#0
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/raymond-ibrahim-kuwaiti-female-activist-advoca...i

FURTHER EVIDENCE;

In the article above, a moslem woman confirms, that the keeping of captive [non-moslem] women [within Sharia jurisdictions] as sex slaves, is completely 'lawful' within ISLAM.

Also, raping those sex slaves [female captives] is halal [i.e. kosher].
see also, THIS DESCRIPTION OF LIFE IN A 'RIGHTLY GUIDED' ISLAMIC CALIPHATE...

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"Egyptian imam: "When I want a sex slave, I just go to the market and choose the woman I like and purchase her" "

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/egyptian-imam-when-i-want-a-sex-slave-i-just-g...

n.b. the form of the words used by the devout moslem......

"When I want a sex slave,...."

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Reply #444 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:07am

shockresist wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:57am:

And you mention that customs here greet you with " how you going mate".Please.

Ive never encountered that,

I'll bet you haven't.

When they see you walking off the tarmac in a flowing white Jesus gown and your wife wearing a black tent ~ Customs Officials go into Red Alert and direct you to the little room down the corridor where they do the cavity searches.

Tongue

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Reply #445 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 3:26pm

True Colours wrote:
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And if someone should force them, then indeed, God is [to them], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful.

eg. God does not hold the forced women as blameworthy.

How does your sick mind twist it round to somehow mean that rape is allowed?

Your lies are hollow T C, there is absolutely nothing in an-Noor, v.33 to say forced prostitution / rape isn't allowed in islam.

There are 3 accepted and recognised translations of the qur'an below

an-Noor, v.33
YUSUFALI: Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),

PICKTHAL: And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste till Allah give them independence by His grace. And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful.

SHAKIR: And let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you; and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

All of these say that forced prostitution is advised against however a precondition to rape the woman is given e.g:if you do compell the women allah is merciful and compassionate.

Stop your deceit T C.

Why isn't forced prostitution / rape totally banned or prohibited?

Why is there a proviso to commit rape of women in an-Noor, v.33 ?

Why does an innocent women who has committed no sin need forgiving?

If the woman committed no sin when she was raped, how does allah forgive her non- existent sin?

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Reply #446 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 4:49pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

shockresist wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:57am:

And you mention that customs here greet you with " how you going mate".Please.

Ive never encountered that,

I'll bet you haven't.

When they see you walking off the tarmac in a flowing white Jesus gown and your wife wearing a black tent ~ Customs Officials go into Red Alert and direct you to the little room down the corridor where they do the cavity searches.

Tongue

Yeah you would know about cavity searchs when your dad raped you.

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Reply #448 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:56pm

Yadda have you no shame?

Proof that Islam bashers are evil liars!

Yadda wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 10:26am:

moses wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:35pm:

an-Noor, v.33: and if you compell them allah is forgiving.

Quran does not say this at all!

A real translation of the Quran (not a fake translation):

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...And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), give them such writing, if you know that they are good and trustworthy. And give them something from God's bounty that He has bestowed upon you. And force not your maids into sexual servitude, if they desire chastity, seeking the temporary interests of worldly life. But if anyone compels them (to sexual servitude), then after such compulsion, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to those women, i.e. He will forgive them because they have been forced to do this evil action unwillingly)...
- the Quran, an-Noor, v.33

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Yadda's Lies:

Yadda wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 10:26am:

Raping your 'maids' [i.e. female slaves] is 'lawful' in ISLAM.

FURTHER EVIDENCE;

In the article above, a moslem woman confirms, that the keeping of captive [non-moslem] women [within Sharia jurisdictions] as sex slaves, is completely 'lawful' within ISLAM.

Except she didn't say 'sex slaves' did she Yadda?

More Yadda Lies!

Yadda wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 10:26am:

Also, raping those sex slaves [female captives] is halal [i.e. kosher].
see also, THIS DESCRIPTION OF LIFE IN A 'RIGHTLY GUIDED' ISLAMIC CALIPHATE...

Quote:

"Egyptian imam: "When I want a sex slave, I just go to the market and choose the woman I like and purchase her" "

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/egyptian-imam-when-i-want-a-sex-slave-i-just-g...

I watched the video Yadda, and despite the deceptive English translation you have provided, I did not hear the words "sex slave" in Arabic - he just talked about maidservants (jawaarih) and says how it permissible to marry them.

Yo can hear in the video at about 4.09 he uses the word "jawaarih" which means maidservants.

You are a liar! Admit it.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: The Usual Suspects ~ (copyright Nicole Page) Reply #449 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:28pm I apologise, shockresist. I shouldn't have said what I did. I don't mind giving unmarried single guys a bit of a 'touch-up' for humour's sake, but not married fellows with children. Being single myself, I often lose perspective. Sincere apologies.
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