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Apr 25th, 2013 at 3:23pm
 
Back in the 70s, the shedule was this: get up, have a shot or a hair of the dog, and head into town around noon. Meet up with the boys at the Criterion or the Windsor Tavern and have a few quiet ones. Shout the odd old boy a pony, stick with the boys, and stay well clear of any officers you recognised. For that matter, stay well clear of the parade. Head up to the Burdekin on Oxford Street. Bunker down in the two-up pit. Win a few, lose a few,  and get blotto.

By four, you’d get a little toey. By then the bar had filled up with all the blue blazers and medals and blokes would start getting elbowed at the bar. For every elbow, you’d push back and you’d put your weight behind it. Hard. If anyone wanted to make something of it, it was on. I took on an MP staff sergeant once -  built like a brick sh!thouse. I didn’t give a flying bugger.

The boys brought me round with a schooner of iced water to the face. The MP bought me a beer.

There was never one blue over the game. The two blokes who ran the Burdekin two-up school had it well under control. If anyone had any biffo over a toss, I never saw it. And if they did, they took it outside.

Some years, you’d see blood and teeth on the footpath outside. Sometimes you’d see broken sets of dentures. One year, someone left an artificial leg with a shiny black shoe and an elastic suspender holding up the sock. Oxford Street didn’t have poofs back then, it had lonely old blokes in cardigans who lived in pubs and boarding houses. Any poofs would have known to stay well.away from the city on Anzac Day. Back then, we ran the joint.

By sundown, the city was packed full of bodies. A corrupt ex-copper once told me they’d run the paddy wagons through around six. They’d haul up the drunks and throw them in the Central cells for the night. There must have been hundreds of those poor bastards down there. Some would even front up to court to face the D and D charge. They always got off. If you didn’t turn up to court, you’d get a dollar fine in the mail - if you were stupid enough to give an address.

It never happened to me. I’d park the Valiant on Forbes or Burton. If I was too pissed to walk, the boys would drag me up to the car, find the carkeys in my pocket and start her up. It was up to me to aim the car at Broadway and make it home. Somehow, I always did. buggered if I know how.

I should have stayed up the Cross. The next day, without fail, I’d head back in and buy a $50 hangover cure from this old tart I knew, Alice. I drank with the boys, but the gear was my poison. I’d copped a habit in Hoi An and always went back. Needles were impossible to buy back then. The chemists were kunts. Alice shot me up with hers if I gave her some gear. I didn’t want to bugger her, but I happily used the worn out fit she sharpened on a matchbox. Hundreds of junkies must have used that fit, including Alice.

We eventually gave up on Anzac Day. The boys drifted off, got wives, got kids, and lost touch with each other. I still see a couple of the boys, but it’s not like the old days anymore. None of us bother with Anzac Day now.

Anzac Day’s become a family thing. You see the little nippers on Grandad’s shoulders waving flags. They even bring grandma along. When I went, Anzac Day was just for the boys. What happened on Anzac Day stayed on Anzac Day - you know what I mean. When I went, the WWII blokes were still elbowing each other at the bar and out the front, punching on. Now, the ones still kicking on aren’t allowed out of their nursing homes. Matron’s taken over completely now.

On Anzac Day, us Nam blokes got respect that we never got on any other day of the year. My crowd never wore a uniform or a medal on Anzac Day, but everyone in the pubs knew who we were. We always got a wink or a nod from the old blokes.

On the street, the rest of the world looked straight through you. On Anzac Day, we knew who we were and where we’d been. It was a shared recognition of what we’d all seen and done. How much we’d lost. We’d all gone off to war as boys. Many had come out as ghosts. Many of us hadn’t come out at all. But on Anzac Day, we were the boys again.

Times have changed. We’ll never have those days back again. You young blokes should enjoy your days while you can - you never get them back. You wake up one day and they’re gone. If any knucklehead tells you to go off and fight for the Empire or Uncle or the Australian flag, tell him where to go. If any chump elbows you at the bar, push back.

And if an old whore called Alice offers you her fit in return for a taste, bugger her instead. I’d rather get the clap than Hep C. The doc says one drink could pack my liver in for good, but every time Anzac Day comes round, I can’t help thinking of those days when we were still young and had it all.

I won’t be going this year, but if you do, have a quiet one for me and the boys.

It’s not our world anymore, it’s yours.
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Reply #1 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 4:18pm
 
If any knucklehead tells you to go off and fight for the Empire or Uncle or the Australian flag, tell him where to go.



That's good advice, especially from someone who's been there.

The only war worth fighting is the one where the pollies are first to join up.

I spared a thought today for the conscientious objectors, they were brave men.
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Reply #2 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 4:34pm
 
Bloody oath. We had a few brave men in the army, but that didn’t matter sh!t in Nam. It just made them harder salesmen when they came back - if they came back. Those gung-ho types always managed to find their way into sales.

These days it’s the wogs.
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Reply #3 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 4:43pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 3:23pm:
Back in the 70s, the shedule was this: get up, have a shot or a hair of the dog, and head into town around noon. Meet up with the boys at the Criterion or the Windsor Tavern and have a few quiet ones. Shout the odd old boy a pony, stick with the boys, and stay well clear of any officers you recognised. For that matter, stay well clear of the parade. Head up to the Burdekin on Oxford Street. Bunker down in the two-up pit. Win a few, lose a few,  and get blotto.

By four, you’d get a little toey. By then the bar had filled up with all the blue blazers and medals and blokes would start getting elbowed at the bar. For every elbow, you’d push back and you’d put your weight behind it. Hard. If anyone wanted to make something of it, it was on. I took on an MP staff sergeant once -  built like a brick sh!thouse. I didn’t give a flying bugger.

The boys brought me round with a schooner of iced water to the face. The MP bought me a beer.

There was never one blue over the game. The two blokes who ran the Burdekin two-up school had it well under control. If anyone had any biffo over a toss, I never saw it. And if they did, they took it outside.

Some years, you’d see blood and teeth on the footpath outside. Sometimes you’d see broken sets of dentures. One year, someone left an artificial leg with a shiny black shoe and an elastic suspender holding up the sock. Oxford Street didn’t have poofs back then, it had lonely old blokes in cardigans who lived in pubs and boarding houses. Any poofs would have known to stay well.away from the city on Anzac Day. Back then, we ran the joint.

By sundown, the city was packed full of bodies. A corrupt ex-copper once told me they’d run the paddy wagons through around six. They’d haul up the drunks and throw them in the Central cells for the night. There must have been hundreds of those poor bastards down there. Some would even front up to court to face the D and D charge. They always got off. If you didn’t turn up to court, you’d get a dollar fine in the mail - if you were stupid enough to give an address.

It never happened to me. I’d park the Valiant on Forbes or Burton. If I was too pissed to walk, the boys would drag me up to the car, find the carkeys in my pocket and start her up. It was up to me to aim the car at Broadway and make it home. Somehow, I always did. buggered if I know how.

I should have stayed up the Cross. The next day, without fail, I’d head back in and buy a $50 hangover cure from this old tart I knew, Alice. I drank with the boys, but the gear was my poison. I’d copped a habit in Hoi An and always went back. Needles were impossible to buy back then. The chemists were kunts. Alice shot me up with hers if I gave her some gear. I didn’t want to bugger her, but I happily used the worn out fit she sharpened on a matchbox. Hundreds of junkies must have used that fit, including Alice.

We eventually gave up on Anzac Day. The boys drifted off, got wives, got kids, and lost touch with each other. I still see a couple of the boys, but it’s not like the old days anymore. None of us bother with Anzac Day now.

Anzac Day’s become a family thing. You see the little nippers on Grandad’s shoulders waving flags. They even bring grandma along. When I went, Anzac Day was just for the boys. What happened on Anzac Day stayed on Anzac Day - you know what I mean. When I went, the WWII blokes were still elbowing each other at the bar and out the front, punching on. Now, the ones still kicking on aren’t allowed out of their nursing homes. Matron’s taken over completely now.

On Anzac Day, us Nam blokes got respect that we never got on any other day of the year. My crowd never wore a uniform or a medal on Anzac Day, but everyone in the pubs knew who we were. We always got a wink or a nod from the old blokes.

On the street, the rest of the world looked straight through you. On Anzac Day, we knew who we were and where we’d been. It was a shared recognition of what we’d all seen and done. How much we’d lost. We’d all gone off to war as boys. Many had come out as ghosts. Many of us hadn’t come out at all. But on Anzac Day, we were the boys again.

Times have changed. We’ll never have those days back again. You young blokes should enjoy your days while you can - you never get them back. You wake up one day and they’re gone. If any knucklehead tells you to go off and fight for the Empire or Uncle or the Australian flag, tell him where to go. If any chump elbows you at the bar, push back.

And if an old whore called Alice offers you her fit in return for a taste, bugger her instead. I’d rather get the clap than Hep C. The doc says one drink could pack my liver in for good, but every time Anzac Day comes round, I can’t help thinking of those days when we were still young and had it all.

I won’t be going this year, but if you do, have a quiet one for me and the boys.

It’s not our world anymore, it’s yours.


Nice read, Karnal.  Enjoyed that.
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Reply #4 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:06pm
 
Yes it was a good read if that's your story Karnal.

The Vietnam vets have never had the accolades they deserve probably because of the rapidly changing era at that time and the whole total confusion of an illegal war based on fabrication.

The conservatives weren't happy that a LW government brought our boys home.

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Reply #5 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:08pm
 
Onyer Karnal;....I have been to the Springwood March in the Blue Mountains. Nice sprinkling of old and new, good to see a couple of young blokes from the Middle East poo fight turn up to march.

I had a couple of lights at the Royal Pub in Springwood then had to endure 45 minutes of driving to get 2 suburbs home. Al  those f....g day tourists from Sydney choked up the highway.

Anyhow...I have just polished off six schooners in the mellow afternoon sun. I've got 2ch on and and have been listening to 60's music all afternoon...talk about mellow yellow. Thought about my mates in Asia during my 2 tours in the 60's.

Happy Anzac Mate...you are the real deal.
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Reply #6 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:09pm
 
mantra wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:06pm:
Yes it was a good read if that's your story Karnal.

The Vietnam vets have never had the accolades they deserve probably because of the rapidly changing era at that time and the whole total confusion of an illegal war based on fabrication.

The conservatives weren't happy that a LW government brought our boys home.



The Vietnam Vets were the hapless victims of two political issues:

1.  What had become an unpopular War; and
2.  Conscription.
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Reply #7 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 7:03pm
 
mantra wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:06pm:
Yes it was a good read if that's your story Karnal.

The Vietnam vets have never had the accolades they deserve probably because of the rapidly changing era at that time and the whole total confusion of an illegal war based on fabrication.

The conservatives weren't happy that a LW government brought our boys home.





a there was a lot of ignorance there I am afraid.
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Reply #8 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 7:16pm
 
This might be worth a watch tonight:


http://www.yourtv.com.au/guide/event.aspx?program_id=296658&event_id=52409099&region_id=94

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Reply #9 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 7:17pm
 
The proposition is that it was the intention of the British and French Governments of 1915 to ensure that the Dardanelles and the Gallipoli Campaign would not succeed and that it was conceived and conducted as a ruse to keep the Russians in the war and thus the continuation of the Eastern Front.

Despite the discomfort the near-abuse brings when I float this idea, I have been unable to put my particular suspicions to rest for there has been something compelling in some elements of the circumstantial evidence that leads me on to further document digging. But difficulties lie in the fact that not all Gallipoli documents seem to be present in Britain's National Archives. There are gaps in document collections of certain events and at crucial times of the campaign.

However, a number of years ago I came across information that revealed a treaty, secret at the time, was agreed in February-March 1915 between the British government and the Tzarist government in Russia. By the treaty the British and French Governments promised that on the conclusion of a successful campaign against the Turkish Ottoman Empire and its defeat that there would be annexation to Russia "of the Bosphorus, the Sea of Marmara and the Dardanelles; Southern Thrace up to the line of Enos-Midia; the coast of Asia Minor between the Bosphorus, the River Sakaria and a point along Ismit Bay; subject to latter determination the islands of Imbros and Tenedos..."

The British motivation in agreeing to this was to keep their increasingly reluctant ally, Russia, in the war. By ensuring this in keeping the Eastern Front in operation, thousands of German troops would be kept away from the Western Front.

Russia had been soundly defeated towards the end of 1914 at the Battle of Tannenburg and was considering seeking an armistice with Germany. Moreover it had suffered a bloody nose inflicted by the Ottoman army in the snows of the Caucasus at the Battle of Sarikamis, even though the Ottoman army was eventually decimated by the blizzards. In January 1915 Russia was insisting on Allied help against the Turks.

The British and French found Russia's demise a grave prospect and sought to find ways to keep her in the war. Of all reasons given for the Dardanelles Campaign the threat of a second German army from the east arriving on the Western Front, the epicentre of the conflict, would be the most serious blow to the Allies.

But Churchill's idea to attack the Ottoman Empire via the Dardanelles was not supported by everyone in the War Cabinet and the military. 'Western Fronters' believed all resources should go to offensives in France and the Baltic but the Russian request for more effort against the Ottomans and the subsequent treaty, insisted on by the Russians, gave the Dardanelles supporters their trump card.

The result was the doomed Dardanelles Campaign - the attempt by British and French navies to force the Straits and assault Istanbul and the following military adventure of the Gallipoli Campaign. The point of interest of these events then is that, on a successful outcome, the ceding of Istanbul et al to Russia, as described would take place. The carrot without the stick.

The existence of the treaty is striking for it overturned nearly 200 years of British foreign policy, which had opposed a Russian presence in the Mediterranean and any advance of Russian hegemony into the Ottoman Empire's possessions. As recently as the 1850s, the Crimean War was fought against the Russians over this very issue.

Britain was increasingly concerned that Russia was proving a threat to its imperial routes and possessions in the Indian Ocean and eastwards, especially after the completion of the Suez Canal. To allow Russia the outcomes of the 1915 secret treaty, including a Russian fleet in the Mediterranean (an anathema to the French), made no long term strategic sense.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/30630.html

One interpretation of this is to conclude that the Anzacs, along with their British, French and Indian brothers-in-arms were deceived into fighting, dying and getting maimed at Gallipoli, not for Britain and France, but for the despotic Russian Tzarist regime.

Another interpretation is to see the deception as actually succeeding in keeping Russia in the war and in this way serving British and French interests on the Western Front, but at a cost of over 10,000 Anzac lives.

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of aussie diggers

lest we forget secret treaties

and freemasonic oaths

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Reply #10 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 7:18pm
 
In the end though, the agreement never had to be honoured, probably much to the British and French Governments' relief.

The Russian Revolution in 1917 removed the Tzar and the Bolshevik Government withdrew from the war and all Tzarist agreements including the Gallipoli treaty.

So in the final analysis does it matter that Gallipoli may never have been intended to succeed? The ninety-seven thousand Allied and Turkish lives and the maimed bodies of Gallipoli had been expended for a grand design to prevent a collapse on the Western Front. So very much a case for supporting the cause of Britain and France, albeit at such a great cost in lives.

But there is one other consideration. If there had been a victory at Gallipoli would there have been a Russian Revolution?

With the ultimate re-establishment of a new Byzantine Empire under the Tzar on the new Christian throne in 'Tzaragrad' on the Bosphorus, would the millions of Russian religious peasants, massively influenced by the victory, have flocked to support the Holy Tzar in the face of revolution, thus thwarting the Bolsheviks?

If this had actually occurred the Anzacs would have been fighting not for a war to make the world safe for democracy but for the domination of the Slav world by Tzarist Russia. This would, by existing wider Russian demands, have included the annexation of Poland, one reason why Poles have never accorded favour to the Gallipoli Campaign. The way out of all this of course was to ensure that Istanbul remained unconquered.

The wonderful what-ifs remain as do the possibilities of hidden agendas.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/30630.html
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Reply #11 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 7:23pm
 
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Watch TV tonight & find out the truth.

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truth is on TV?

i've never seen it

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Reply #13 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 7:39pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 7:26pm:
truth is on TV?

i've never seen it

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it would seem so


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Reply #14 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 7:54pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 7:18pm:
In the end though, the agreement never had to be honoured, probably much to the British and French Governments' relief.

The Russian Revolution in 1917 removed the Tzar and the Bolshevik Government withdrew from the war and all Tzarist agreements including the Gallipoli treaty.

So in the final analysis does it matter that Gallipoli may never have been intended to succeed? The ninety-seven thousand Allied and Turkish lives and the maimed bodies of Gallipoli had been expended for a grand design to prevent a collapse on the Western Front. So very much a case for supporting the cause of Britain and France, albeit at such a great cost in lives.

But there is one other consideration. If there had been a victory at Gallipoli would there have been a Russian Revolution?

With the ultimate re-establishment of a new Byzantine Empire under the Tzar on the new Christian throne in 'Tzaragrad' on the Bosphorus, would the millions of Russian religious peasants, massively influenced by the victory, have flocked to support the Holy Tzar in the face of revolution, thus thwarting the Bolsheviks?

If this had actually occurred the Anzacs would have been fighting not for a war to make the world safe for democracy but for the domination of the Slav world by Tzarist Russia. This would, by existing wider Russian demands, have included the annexation of Poland, one reason why Poles have never accorded favour to the Gallipoli Campaign. The way out of all this of course was to ensure that Istanbul remained unconquered.

The wonderful what-ifs remain as do the possibilities of hidden agendas.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/30630.html

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/30630.html

One interpretation of this is to conclude that the Anzacs, along with their British, French and Indian brothers-in-arms were deceived into fighting, dying and getting maimed at Gallipoli, not for Britain and France, but for the despotic Russian Tzarist regime.

Another interpretation is to see the deception as actually succeeding in keeping Russia in the war and in this way serving British and French interests on the Western Front, but at a cost of over 10,000 Anzac lives.
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