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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Which God is the right God to follow? Reply #16 - Apr 26^th, 2013 at 5:32am Re the Op. I find it strange that ppl can choose what to believe in. How do you believe something that you know isnt true? If you are able to do that you can make up your own god or "follow" santa clause. SOB
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Re: Which God is the right God to follow?
Reply #17 - Apr 26^th, 2013 at 7:02am

I believe & have read that there is a spiritual side to everyone due to the construction
of the human brain - placed there by the principle of Darwin's theory of evolution -
giving a survival advantage.

Organized religion uses this spirituality to encourage people to believe in "their" chosen God.
In other words they hijack a persons spirituality for their own purposes -
which usually also involves the transfer of money - a tithe - in most cases -
hence we have over 2,500 possible Gods & many wealthy religious churches.

A person who can be spiritual without need of a God is far more modern & correct in my opinion.

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Re: Which God is the right God to follow?
Reply #18 - Apr 27^th, 2013 at 12:20am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 10:18pm:

The Stoics are interesting.
Two reasons:
1. All phenomena is conceived in accordance with a rational and/or divine principle.
2. Life is seen as fated.

A re-emergence of both ideas would be interesting. Currently, liberal theory makes us out to all be atoms embodied with free will. Stoicism would see see us as fated to be where we are, who we are, and what we will do. If we conceive ourselves as fated, then existential angst (should) wither away. Liberal theory makes us all completely responsible, thus we become riddled with guilt when the wrong choice is made.

I think you are mixing things up.
Stocism was never a free pass from responsibility. It was about taking full responsibility not being sufficient.

BIG difference.

What you are talking about is fatalism - where responsibility is irrelevant.

Not sufficient and irrelevant - BIG difference.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Which God is the right God to follow? Reply #19 - Apr 27^th, 2013 at 12:23am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 5:32am: Re the Op. I find it strange that .... SOB I find you strange. SOB
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Which God is the right God to follow? Reply #20 - Apr 27^th, 2013 at 5:08am Soren wrote on Apr 27^th, 2013 at 12:23am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 5:32am: Re the Op. I find it strange that .... SOB I find you strange. SOB Says you - the epitome of strange SOB
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Re: Which God is the right God to follow?
Reply #21 - Apr 27^th, 2013 at 8:49am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 27^th, 2013 at 5:08am:

Soren wrote on Apr 27^th, 2013 at 12:23am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 5:32am:

Re the Op. I find it strange that ....

SOB

I find you strange.

SOB

Says you - the epitome of strange

SOB

Awww, you are disagreeing with me because I make sense.
Go away troll.

SOB

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Re: Which God is the right God to follow?
Reply #22 - Apr 27^th, 2013 at 9:08am

Soren wrote on Apr 27^th, 2013 at 8:49am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 27^th, 2013 at 5:08am:

Soren wrote on Apr 27^th, 2013 at 12:23am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 5:32am:

Re the Op. I find it strange that ....

SOB

I find you strange.

SOB

Says you - the epitome of strange

SOB

Awww, you are disagreeing with me because I make sense.
Go away troll.

SOB

Go away troll

SOB

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Re: Which God is the right God to follow?
Reply #23 - Apr 27^th, 2013 at 9:18am

Soren wrote on Apr 27^th, 2013 at 12:20am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 10:18pm:

The Stoics are interesting.
Two reasons:
1. All phenomena is conceived in accordance with a rational and/or divine principle.
2. Life is seen as fated.

A re-emergence of both ideas would be interesting. Currently, liberal theory makes us out to all be atoms embodied with free will. Stoicism would see see us as fated to be where we are, who we are, and what we will do. If we conceive ourselves as fated, then existential angst (should) wither away. Liberal theory makes us all completely responsible, thus we become riddled with guilt when the wrong choice is made.

I think you are mixing things up.
Stocism was never a free pass from responsibility. It was about taking full responsibility not being sufficient.

BIG difference.

What you are talking about is fatalism - where responsibility is irrelevant.

Not sufficient and irrelevant - BIG difference.

I think you have misunderstood what I was trying to say; although I was brief.
Stoicism does entail self-responsibility, yes; a self-disciplining of the emotions. Doing this is to act in accordance with the rational and/or divine will of nature. The decision a stoic makes, though, determines his fate. So responsibility and fate are two sides of the same coin, and are therefore not antagonistic.

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Re: Which God is the right God to follow?
Reply #24 - Apr 27^th, 2013 at 9:23am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 5:32am:

Re the Op. I find it strange that ppl can choose what to believe in. How do you believe something that you know isnt true?

SOB

People deny truths all the time Spot and it has a name... Self Denial. So, for example, Anorexics refuse to believe the reality of their body so as to starve it further and it is self denial that allows them to do that.

As to Gods however, who is to say what is true or false, when there is a lack of evidence for either position? And if we cannot know in ourselves that Bacchus, for example is false, then does the question you ask actually apply to the scenario?

Perhaps the better question would be... How can people believe in something that they know can't be proven true?

That however is a very big question which has implications not only for Theology but for Science and Mathematics also... since all three human endeavours rely on truths that can't be proven.

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Sappho Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1406 Gender:	Re: Which God is the right God to follow? Reply #25 - Apr 27^th, 2013 at 9:36am Bobby. wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 7:02am: A person who can be spiritual without need of a God is far more modern & correct in my opinion. How is Jainism and Buddhism more modern and correct?
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