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Reply #15 - Apr 28^th, 2013 at 11:06am

woof woof wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 8:01pm:

Would you change your views on asylum seekers and their "rights" if we were not party to the UN and were under no obligation to take them in??

Unfortunately our politicians are running scared of ... Quote: 'International opinion' ~ end Quote ... and are terrified of exercising discrimination with their immigration policy lest they be labeled as racists, xenophobes, and bigots by the ... Quote: 'International community' ~ and the leaders of our own ethnic communities.

Generally speaking, our federal politicians are not only poorly educated, but are also of very modest and mediocre intelligence.

Instead of being broadly-read, they concentrated on getting a Bachelors in Law as a stepping-stone for a political career.

And then when they join one of the parties in Canberra they very soon learn it's not a democracy, and they have to slavishly follow the party line.

Leftwingers such as Howard, Abbott and Gillard have conspired to bury Anglo-Australia under sedimentary layers of Third World immigrants.

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Reply #16 - Apr 28^th, 2013 at 11:07am

Yadda wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 9:23pm:

I have not changed my views on moslem 'asylum seekers' - we should NOT, NOT, NOT, give them residency in Australia.
....because moslem 'cultural' 'values' are incompatible with a culture that seeks the expression of truth, justice, freedom.i

Moslem 'asylum seekers', should be directed to seek sanctuary, in moslem/Sharia jurisdictions.
[....moslems insist that ISLAM is superior, so let moslems seek sanctuary, in a 'superior' moslem jurisdiction - where moslems will be sure to be happy and content. Tongue

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And, because of the unremitting threat of acts of terror from those moslems living among us, the forced internment of all persons self declaring as moslems should be seriously considered by ALL Western nations, imo.

The values which Western societies cherish [truth, justice, freedom], are totally incompatible with moslems/ISLAMIC 'values'.

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Reply #17 - Apr 28^th, 2013 at 11:38am

woof woof wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 8:24pm:

thats interesting.

becuase all of you quote the UN this the UN that.

But it shows that regardless what the situation is, IE we are not party to the UN and the legalaties that go with it, and that would exclude anyone from claiming asylum, you ppl still think we should take them in.'

Very interesting, so yours acceptance of these has nothing to do with us being in the UN. Yet you quote the UN as it is convenient, but when it taken away, you'd still take these bludgers in??

Why?

What do you mean bludgers? They are refugees. Fleeing their country from violence etc. When they get visas they work if they can get jobs.

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Reply #18 - Apr 28^th, 2013 at 11:44am

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 28^th, 2013 at 11:06am:

Leftwingers such as Howard, Abbott and Gillard have conspired to bury Anglo-Australia under sedimentary layers of Third World immigrants.

Hahahaha

Our members of the Coalition cheer squad will have just choked on their cornflakes.

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 28^th, 2013 at 11:06am:

Unfortunately our politicians are running scared of ... Quote: 'International opinion' ~ end Quote ... and are terrified of exercising discrimination with their immigration policy lest they be labeled as racists, xenophobes, and bigots by the ... Quote: 'International community' ~ and the leaders of our own ethnic communities.

Well actually no. A majority of Australians are comfortable with our immigration. We all reap the benefits of a growing economy caused by an increasing population. We also don't want our nation to become an apartheid one like South Africa was.

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The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 28^th, 2013 at 11:44am:

Well actually no. A majority of Australians are comfortable with our immigration. We all reap the benefits of a growing economy caused by an increasing population. We also don't want our nation to become an apartheid one like South Africa was.

I wouldnt agree, I would say the majority of AUstralians want a halt to all Arab Muslim immigration. We find thier values incompatible to modern Australian society. Being a multicultural country does not mean we have to accept all cultures, we have the ability and the right to choose. Arab Muslim immigration has been a resounding failure in this country.

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Reply #21 - Apr 28^th, 2013 at 12:14pm

ian wrote on Apr 28^th, 2013 at 12:06pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 28^th, 2013 at 11:44am:

Well actually no. A majority of Australians are comfortable with our immigration. We all reap the benefits of a growing economy caused by an increasing population. We also don't want our nation to become an apartheid one like South Africa was.

I wouldnt agree, I would say the majority of AUstralians want a halt to all Arab Muslim immigration. We find thier values incompatible to modern Australian society. Being a multicultural country does not mean we have to accept all cultures, we have the ability and the right to choose. Arab Muslim immigration has been a resounding failure in this country.

So are asian muslims acceptable then? How about Arab Christians? How about Muslims that come indirectly though the UK or NZ? How are you going to screen immigrants to detect if they are muslim or not? What about people who convert to Islam who are already here?

It is totally impractical

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Reply #23 - Apr 28^th, 2013 at 3:58pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2013 at 12:26pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 28^th, 2013 at 10:43am:

You can't be serious. It's been reported that even after 5 years in Australia the great majority of Afghan 'refugees' are still bludging on the dole.

If by "the dole", you mean unemployment benefits, you are incorrect.

I suggest you read the report again.

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The people it’s bringing in are costing us billions, with 85 per cent of refugees on Centrelink benefits in their first five years here.

Worse, it’s the “refugees” who push in—the boat people we don’t pick, and who exploit the Government’s weak laws—who cost us most.

The vast majority of boat people say they are from Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and Sri Lanka, and these are exactly the refugees most likely to be unemployed and living on welfare, even after five years.

Just 9 per cent of Afghan adults have a job and 94 per cent receive benefits, which means every boatload of Afghans landing here is a boatload almost entirely of people we’ll be paying handouts to for years.

And since January last year, more than 3300 Afghans have sailed here.

It’s the same story among Iranian adults, just 12 per cent of whom work.

One source of many.

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Reply #25 - Apr 28^th, 2013 at 4:36pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 28^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2013 at 12:26pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 28^th, 2013 at 10:43am:

You can't be serious. It's been reported that even after 5 years in Australia the great majority of Afghan 'refugees' are still bludging on the dole.

If by "the dole", you mean unemployment benefits, you are incorrect.

I suggest you read the report again.

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The people it’s bringing in are costing us billions, with 85 per cent of refugees on Centrelink benefits in their first five years here.

Worse, it’s the “refugees” who push in—the boat people we don’t pick, and who exploit the Government’s weak laws—who cost us most.

The vast majority of boat people say they are from Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and Sri Lanka, and these are exactly the refugees most likely to be unemployed and living on welfare, even after five years.

Just 9 per cent of Afghan adults have a job and 94 per cent receive benefits, which means every boatload of Afghans landing here is a boatload almost entirely of people we’ll be paying handouts to for years.

And since January last year, more than 3300 Afghans have sailed here.

It’s the same story among Iranian adults, just 12 per cent of whom work.

One source of many.

Have a Nice Day. Tongue

If by "the dole", you mean unemployment benefits, you are incorrect.

I suggest you read the report again.

I also suggest that you provide a proper link: "source/" isn't a valid web site.

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Reply #26 - Apr 29^th, 2013 at 6:17am

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 28^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2013 at 12:26pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 28^th, 2013 at 10:43am:

You can't be serious. It's been reported that even after 5 years in Australia the great majority of Afghan 'refugees' are still bludging on the dole.

If by "the dole", you mean unemployment benefits, you are incorrect.

I suggest you read the report again.

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The people it’s bringing in are costing us billions, with 85 per cent of refugees on Centrelink benefits in their first five years here.

Worse, it’s the “refugees” who push in—the boat people we don’t pick, and who exploit the Government’s weak laws—who cost us most.

The vast majority of boat people say they are from Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and Sri Lanka, and these are exactly the refugees most likely to be unemployed and living on welfare, even after five years.

Just 9 per cent of Afghan adults have a job and 94 per cent receive benefits, which means every boatload of Afghans landing here is a boatload almost entirely of people we’ll be paying handouts to for years.

And since January last year, more than 3300 Afghans have sailed here.

It’s the same story among Iranian adults, just 12 per cent of whom work.

One source of many.

Have a Nice Day. Tongue

But no actual link to it . . . . ..

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Reply #27 - Apr 30^th, 2013 at 7:48am

woof woof wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 8:32pm:

No rights as in they'd have the same rights as what ppl would have who would want to claim asylum in Nth Korea or China for example.

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19 Oct 2011 8:00:23pm

Withdrawing from the Convention would place us as a maverick.
Over 140 nations are signatories, including all the western democracies.
Is that the message we want to send to the world, even if we wanted to repeal our own Migration Act and start again?

It may be desirable to work within the UN, to see whether there is any groundswell to modify the Convention itself.
But withdraw unilaterally?
No thank you.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3577538.html

Quite frankly ...

It AIN'T gonna HAPPEN !

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Reply #28 - Apr 30^th, 2013 at 10:00am

woof woof wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 8:24pm:

thats interesting.

becuase all of you quote the UN this the UN that.

But it shows that regardless what the situation is, IE we are not party to the UN and the legalaties that go with it, and that would exclude anyone from claiming asylum, you ppl still think we should take them in.'

Very interesting, so yours acceptance of these has nothing to do with us being in the UN. Yet you quote the UN as it is convenient, but when it taken away, you'd still take these bludgers in??

Why?

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Reply #29 - Apr 30^th, 2013 at 10:07am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 8:43pm:

woof woof wrote on Apr 26^th, 2013 at 8:24pm:

thats interesting.

becuase all of you quote the UN this the UN that.

But it shows that regardless what the situation is, IE we are not party to the UN and the legalaties that go with it, and that would exclude anyone from claiming asylum, you ppl still think we should take them in.'

Very interesting, so yours acceptance of these has nothing to do with us being in the UN. Yet you quote the UN as it is convenient, but when it taken away, you'd still take these bludgers in??

Why?

You seem to have no understanding of what an asylum seeker actually is.

I'll help you: "a person who, from fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, social group, or political opinion, has crossed an international frontier into a country in which he or she hopes to be granted refugee status".

Why would you call those people "bludgers"?

Because they sit around all day languishing in detention. They accept all that free food and don't offer to do any chores in return.

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