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Reply #30 - Apr 29^th, 2013 at 10:26am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 28^th, 2013 at 10:03am:

That is about the least convincing piece of evidence I have seen questioning Australian laws. Besides, all that really needs to be said regarding Australia's situation is that Martin Bryant acquired his firearm legally and without any sort of scrutiny.

It is illegal to issue a weapons licence to a retard, always has been; it was the scumbag copper who did that carries most of the blame here. At what point did that d1ckhead think issuing a weapons licence to a person with a mid 60's IQ was a legal and proper act. Prick should be in gaol with bryant. Angry

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: australian gun laws on the american 'daily show' Reply #31 - Apr 29^th, 2013 at 10:56am http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2012/jul/22/gun-ownership-ho...
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Reply #32 - Apr 29^th, 2013 at 11:08am

Grey wrote on Apr 29^th, 2013 at 10:56am:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence

Interesting info from wiki

Germany and switzerland have the right to bear arms and the usual weapons laws for europe and while they do have a slightly higher homicide rate at 0.19 0.77 to our 0.12 their overall homicide rate is a lot lower at 0.84 and 1.07 to our 1.2.

Kinda blows any bullsh1t by the gun hysterics out of the water.

It seems to be less safe in Australia than in germany and switzerland which have much more liberal gun laws than we do; go figure.

But I suppose you could argue that being killed by other means is safer that being killed by a gun as some of the hysterics try to do.

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Reply #33 - Apr 29^th, 2013 at 11:11am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 28^th, 2013 at 10:03am:

Also, regarding NZ, the article you quote is a little dishonest - since NZ has had rather tight controls on semi-automatic "rambo style" weapons since 1992:

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After the Aramoana massacre in November 1990, John Banks, the Minister for Police, announced that the government would ban what he and others described as "Rambo-style" weapons and substantially tighten gun laws generally. The law was eventually passed in 1992 and required written permits to order guns or ammunition mail-order, restricted ammunition sales to firearms licence holders, added photographs to firearms licences, required licence holders to have secure storage for firearms at their homes (which would be inspected before a licence was issued), and controversially required all licence holders to be re-vetted for new licences which would be valid for only 10 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_New_Zealand#Aramoana_and_the_1992_A...

Thus, what your article doesn't mention is that by 1996, NZ had far tighter controls on the type of weapon Bryant used, than Australia had. Thus its not really surprising that after Australia got on board with gun control, both countries saw a rapid decline in shootings using those weapons.

I wasn't aware crimes involving "Rambo-style" weapons (what the f*ck does thst even mean), were such an epidemic that you could actually make that claim. If something happens so rarely that it's an anomaly making a rule against it and saying "see? Working as intended" is pretty goddamn dishonest.

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Chard wrote on Apr 28^th, 2013 at 2:13am:

You have evidence to support this absurd claim?

The evidence of virtually every nation that has strict gun controls - UK, Japan, Australia etc

Ok, I asked for you to cite evidence to support your claim that restricting firearms access to law abiding citizens is justified because criminals cannot steal firearms. The only way that justification can work is if a high enough percentage of guns used in the commission of a crime were obtained by stealing them from law abiding gun owners. So lets see the criminal statistics that back your claim, not bullshit handwaving and anecdote.

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Reply #35 - Apr 29^th, 2013 at 11:27am

Chard wrote on Apr 29^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

I wasn't aware crimes involving "Rambo-style" weapons (what the f*ck does thst even mean), were such an epidemic that you could actually make that claim. If something happens so rarely that it's an anomaly making a rule against it and saying "see? Working as intended" is pretty goddamn dishonest.

Last time I saw that movie it was a belt fed fully automatic M60 GPMG. Grin

You can see why the strict gun laws were important.

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Reply #36 - Apr 29^th, 2013 at 11:55am

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2013 at 11:27am:

Chard wrote on Apr 29^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

I wasn't aware crimes involving "Rambo-style" weapons (what the f*ck does thst even mean), were such an epidemic that you could actually make that claim. If something happens so rarely that it's an anomaly making a rule against it and saying "see? Working as intended" is pretty goddamn dishonest.

Last time I saw that movie it was a belt fed fully automatic M60 GPMG. Grin

You can see why the strict gun laws were important.

yes gun laws for the rest of us but its ok for you to have a weapon like that, because you served in the defence forces, No its not. Thats the USA mentality.

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Reply #37 - Apr 29^th, 2013 at 12:01pm

dingo2 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2013 at 11:55am:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2013 at 11:27am:

Chard wrote on Apr 29^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

I wasn't aware crimes involving "Rambo-style" weapons (what the f*ck does thst even mean), were such an epidemic that you could actually make that claim. If something happens so rarely that it's an anomaly making a rule against it and saying "see? Working as intended" is pretty goddamn dishonest.

Last time I saw that movie it was a belt fed fully automatic M60 GPMG. Grin

You can see why the strict gun laws were important.

yes gun laws for the rest of us but its ok for you to have a weapon like that, because you served in the defence forces, No it not.

Never said anything of the sort ya fvcken loon. FFS at least learn to read english even if writing it is a major challenge.

Now bugger off to the retards table were you may feel more at home.

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Reply #39 - Apr 29^th, 2013 at 12:07pm

dingo2 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2013 at 11:55am:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2013 at 11:27am:

Chard wrote on Apr 29^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

I wasn't aware crimes involving "Rambo-style" weapons (what the f*ck does thst even mean), were such an epidemic that you could actually make that claim. If something happens so rarely that it's an anomaly making a rule against it and saying "see? Working as intended" is pretty goddamn dishonest.

Last time I saw that movie it was a belt fed fully automatic M60 GPMG. Grin

You can see why the strict gun laws were important.

yes gun laws for the rest of us but its ok for you to have a weapon like that, because you served in the defence forces, No it not.

Do you really think those in the defence forces get to bring the machinery they use home? That while the rest of us are driving around in Commodores they have Abrams parked in their back yards?

Actually, you probably do don't you?

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Reply #40 - Apr 29^th, 2013 at 12:18pm

no not the abrams (a us tank) , but you do get it, more easy to apply for a gun permit than the rest of us, I suppose that is experience. A average Australian up against a retired defence service veteran of Afghanistan.

One rule for some the so called retards, and another for others.

I would think that automatic weapons would the thing that you all wouldn't want to have, but for some reason you do.

Give them a double tap.

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BigOl64 Gold Member Offline Posts: 14438 Townsville QLD Gender:	Re: australian gun laws on the american 'daily show' Reply #41 - Apr 29^th, 2013 at 12:22pm dingo2 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2013 at 12:04pm: And this is a Man that served our country in its defence force. And what the bugger does that have to do with anything?
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Reply #42 - Apr 29^th, 2013 at 12:23pm

dingo2 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2013 at 12:18pm:

no not the abrams (a us tank) , but you do get it, more easy to apply for a gun permit than the rest of us, I suppose that is experience. A average Australian up against a retired defence service veteran of Afghanistan.

One rule for some the so called retards, and another for others.

I would think that automatic weapons would the thing that you all wouldn't want to have, but for some reason you do.

Give them a double tap.

Go home, you're drunk.

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dingo2 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 463 Gender:	Re: australian gun laws on the american 'daily show' Reply #43 - Apr 29^th, 2013 at 12:29pm Name, and rank soldier. tell you real story of you service. you too Quantum And thats the reason why you have the oppions on gun control that you have. I can have it but you can't retard One rule for some and another for others.
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Reply #44 - Apr 29^th, 2013 at 12:51pm

dingo2 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:

Name, and rank soldier.

tell you real story of you service.

you too Quantum

And thats the reason why you have the oppions on gun control that you have.

I can have it but you can't retard
One rule for some and another for others.

I'll say it again. I have never served in the military (and unlike your loony BF "Boag", I have never pretended to either.)

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