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I'm not talking about militia types. I'm taking about labour organisers and academics learning first hand just how far government instruments will go to suppress the left. The murder of mexican undocumented in LA and a girl of 19 who spent a scary night on the porch cradling a gun with her Daddy sheltering two black families who were neighbours while the KKK were on the rampage in their texan town. The KKK and the local police were not two entirely seperate animals.

The question that keeps coming back to me is
Why does anyone non miltary need anything more than a single shot weapon?

Self defense?
If your concerned with that you'd think you'd learn to shoot that weapon, it only takes 1 bullet

Hunting?
Again 1 well placed shot will drop any animal, it might run but not for more than 100/200 meters. If your out there spraying and praying for thrill kills,serious hunters should be the most vocal in your removal.

From my own experience which I willing admit is VERY limited.
My wife's father has guns and hunts, I've shot a 22 and a 303, and I cant be sure that's the correct names, it comes down to power.
I admit it was a rush to have in my hands something that could snuff out life in seconds(God complex?)
I shot a duck, then I cooked it and ate it.
Went to bed and all I heard all night was another duck calling, felt like sh!t, projecting human emotions onto that lonely call.
Am I a wuss, maybe but guns suck, they exist for only 1 purpose the rest is just bullshit.

Gun control works if only in stopping rash kills.
A shot takes milliseconds, stabbing/beating, even running someone down in your car all have lead time that may cause the more balanced to reconsider or stop after a point(in the case of beating) that allows survival.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2013 at 8:24pm:


Different situations call for different weapons and tactics. For example, a shot gun is great for home defense with the right shells because there's a low probability the shot will fully penitrate the walls in your home if you miss, but they're fairly useless at longer ranges and are difficult to conceal for CCW use. This is before we get into issues like marksmanship, tactics, and the effects of "pucker factor" on your shooting.


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Ah, so you're the smacking idiot hunting rabits with a deer rifle.


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Let me stop you right here, guy. As it turns out I have about three decades worth of shooting experience. I've hunted most small, medium and large game animals native to North America. I've spent several years in the US Army, all of it in or around the infantry. I've been a member of IPSC and IDPA for over a decade, and I've been a lifetime NRA member since before I hit puberty. In short, when it comes to shooting I know my sh*t.

So far everything you've said has been wrong. Ponder that for a moment before you write your next post and take time to think up questions if you have them. I'm always happy to teach people about the wonderous joys of owning, maintaining, and utilizing the Almighty BOOMstick.

My wife's father has guns and hunts, I've shot a 22 and a 303, and I cant be sure that's the correct names, it comes

Chard wrote on Apr 29^th, 2013 at 10:45pm:


Well thanks
The actual 1st small parargraph of my post is my question.
I freely admit to a total lack of knowledge of guns and the urge to go and kill something for fun.
Im not some hippy vegan and killing for food is a totally different matter, if your going to kill something at least have a practicle reason.


You on the other hand seem to have a vast knowledge of both and I would be happy to hear your side without the Yankee redneck bravado.
I understand it is a deeply personal and patriotic subject for Americans, and that's fine its part of your psych.

Although after everything else you didn't seem to address the ease, swiftness and range of killing via this type of weapon.
With a knife your up close you must mean it, with a gun you can be 30 meters away and the thing down range is a target not someone struggling in your grasp.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2013 at 11:13pm:


Well, question answered. Different firearms have different uses, hence why one might need more that one firearm. As to why you might need more that a single shot, lots of reasons, most of them involving the first shot either missing or not cleanly killing.

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I hunt mostly because I enjoy the meat and my local butcher doesn't keep stuff like deer or elk in stock usually. The vegans will tell you meat is murder... sweet, delicious murder.


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That would be pointing out the obvious. Though I would caution against the "ease" part simply because it takes a goodbit of training along with constant and consistant practile to be a good marksman. Time for a range anecdote...

One time I was taking a friend of mine to the range for the first time. Closest this dude's been to a gun before was playing Call of Duty. After giving him the Gun Safety Lecture I set hip up at the 5m line with a pistol, an old Baretta 92F in 9x19mm. I tell him to line up the front sight post on the target and sqeeze the trigger, gentle pressure, don't jerk it. BANG! Missed. I tell him to try again, bang miss. Bang miss, bang miss, goes on like that ror eight rounds.

He gets frustrated, after all he just missed eight for eight at 5m. That's when I noticed the group of divits in the groung half a meter in front of the target. What was happening was buddy was anticipating the recoil and pulling the barrel rownwards right before the trigger would break, sending $4 worth of 9mm into the dirt. I showed hom what he was doing wrong and sure enough rounds nine through fourteen hit the target, and from there it was training him around issues like eye dominance vs handedness, trigger technique, and such.

After that initial problem he learmed quick and had a lot of fun until I made him clean the weapons he shot when wr got back to my house. Anways, point is there's a lot more to shooting than point and click.


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See the above story. I've seen guys with as much or more experience as me miss completely at well under 30m under stressful firing conditions. A gun is just a tool and like all tools they're only as effective as the person using it.

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That's just naivety talking.

Chard wrote on May 1^st, 2013 at 4:06am:


I like your style Chard, but you don't make a point by writing your own scenario. I can sweet talk the officious with the best of us, but I could also write scenarios where the Mexican illegal/union organiser has no choice but shooting first.  I'm not going to bother because I can see you're an intelligent imaginative guy too 

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No there's nothing wrong with it, I regard a good hypothetical to be as instructive as a reality.

See the people I know on the left who want guns, don't necessarily want to shoot policemen or anybody else. Guns are threateners and they are a big  and very distinctive noise. Being able to buy time and attention is often enough. Like when a vigilante gang, who don't like the advice you've been giving to a community of 'wetbacks' who're working for peanuts and living in chickencoops, come round to intimidate by rape.