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Reply #15 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 8:41pm
 
The testing occurs in May if I've read things correctly.......so the kids are only into year 3 by a few months.

I've only looked at the Yr 3 Numeracy test at this stage......imo ...pretty tough practical applications of Math concepts for kids this young...
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Reply #16 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 9:04pm
 
If the kid is interested in reading books, the test would not be so difficult IMO.

It's also up to the parents to encourage enjoyment from reading, however, I can empathise with how difficult that might be these days considering the available options for home entertainment.

Personally, I think I would have breezed the test at that age, for no other reason than Enid Blyton books being put in front of me.
The faraway tree series, The wishing chair, The famous five series, The secret seven...Enid Blyton was an absolute genius.
To be fair, I probably didn't get right into the more complex ones until aged 9 or 10.
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Reply #17 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 9:38pm
 
Alinta wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 8:41pm:
I've only looked at the Yr 3 Numeracy test at this stage......imo ...pretty tough practical applications of Math concepts for kids this young...


And what of those who find it easy?  They'll be left to wither on the vine while the dopes drag them back down to mediocrity.  Why does everything have to revolve around catering to the braindead?
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Reply #18 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 9:43pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 8:28pm:
... wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 8:20pm:
I reckon a good student will ace it in 15 minutes, whereas a very poor student will take the full 45 to fail it. 

It does precisely what a test should.  What's the problem? 


The problem is have is that I reckon it is too tough for Joe Blow Year 3 kids.  It is probably fantastic to ID  'ace' students, and dumb f.ucks, but it is hardly a fair test for those in between.

I reckon.



if we put all these year 3 kids in a race would they all finish at the same time? I doubt it and we accept that......yet we put a book in front of them and expect them all to read it at the same rate...pathetic..

all kids have different levels of concentration....just the same as they all have different levels of comprehension..

thats what make education so tricky...

it isnt like a conveyor belt rolling off cars to be sprayed..each one the same as the last...


and remember this is all about the schools.. bugger the kids.
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Reply #19 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 9:45pm
 
... wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 9:38pm:
Alinta wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 8:41pm:
I've only looked at the Yr 3 Numeracy test at this stage......imo ...pretty tough practical applications of Math concepts for kids this young...


And what of those who find it easy?  They'll be left to wither on the vine while the dopes drag them back down to mediocrity.  Why does everything have to revolve around catering to the braindead?




charming.....they are not braindead what an appalling thing to say... they just need more time.and perhaps some understanding I am very glad you are not a teacher.
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Reply #20 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 10:02pm
 
cods wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 9:45pm:
... wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 9:38pm:
Alinta wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 8:41pm:
I've only looked at the Yr 3 Numeracy test at this stage......imo ...pretty tough practical applications of Math concepts for kids this young...


And what of those who find it easy?  They'll be left to wither on the vine while the dopes drag them back down to mediocrity.  Why does everything have to revolve around catering to the braindead?




charming.....they are not braindead what an appalling thing to say... they just need more time.and perhaps some understanding I am very glad you are not a teacher.



take a good look at me cods - This cynical, jaded attitude is the end result of an education spent with human boat anchors wasting my time.  For a long time, I thought it was great that I didn't need to put in any effort throughout my schooling.  All these people stressing about exams, assignments, homework - I never stressed because it was always easy.  Easy isn't even the word - It was often intuitive.  Good marks, zero effort - cool, right?  Wrong. The mind still needs to be exercised or it will decay.   
I wonder how many other young minds have been set on cruise-control by the education system.  I wonder whether ignorance, indiffernce and idiocy are really what we should be cultivating in our schools.  With HBO, MTV, twitter etc if there's one demographic that's amply catered for in our society, it's the braindead.  Can't we let education be for the intelligent?

If you don't want more people turning out like me, perhaps it would pay to stimulate young minds, instead of turning them all into a bland, homogeneous mush.
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Re: Has anybody read a Naplan Test?
Reply #21 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 10:04pm
 
... wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 9:38pm:
Alinta wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 8:41pm:
I've only looked at the Yr 3 Numeracy test at this stage......imo ...pretty tough practical applications of Math concepts for kids this young...


And what of those who find it easy?  They'll be left to wither on the vine while the dopes drag them back down to mediocrity.  Why does everything have to revolve around catering to the braindead?



I expect teaching methodology has changed greatly since I was a teacher in the 90's Robert. Much of what I read in this Naplan Yr 3 numeracy exam is the type of extension activity provided to the bright kids who wanted/needed challenge...had a flow on effect for their classmates who started to think the practical tasks were "kind of fun"....."a math game"...

That said, I think this Numeracy test is a tough one to use as a standardising measure, particularly in the early stages of Year 3.

I see there is a 2012 National Report available .....looks something of a weighty read, but I'll give it a go.

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Reply #22 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 10:18pm
 
Yes, they are given their results and their place within the school and among all the kids in the country who sat the test.
You can also see the Naplan results for almost every school in the country at the Myschool website.

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Reply #23 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 10:30pm
 
... wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 9:38pm:
Alinta wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 8:41pm:
I've only looked at the Yr 3 Numeracy test at this stage......imo ...pretty tough practical applications of Math concepts for kids this young...


And what of those who find it easy?  They'll be left to wither on the vine while the dopes drag them back down to mediocrity.  Why does everything have to revolve around catering to the braindead?


Well, it's one of the roles of the schools to teach reading and comprehension skills, but I can appreciate how tough that task may be these days.

Certainly, I remember trying out other writers such as "The brothers Grimm" which didn't fire my interest to any great extent. If not for Enid Blyton, I might now say that I would've struggled with that test.
..and if X-boxes were around in those days...forget about it! Screw the test.

My point is that a lack of interest doesn't mean being brain-dead by any stretch of the imagination.
To the contrary, thoughtless drone compliance may be more of a sign.

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Reply #24 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 10:37pm
 
Amadd wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 10:30pm:
My point is that a lack of interest doesn't mean being brain-dead by any stretch of the imagination.
To the contrary, unthinking drone compliance may be more of a sign.



That's what I'm saying.  But people lose interest for different reasons.  Some because it's too hard, some because it's too easy, some for other reasons entirely.  But they are all crammed in together, taught uniformly and expected to all reach their potential?
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Reply #25 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 10:40pm
 
... wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 10:37pm:
Amadd wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 10:30pm:
My point is that a lack of interest doesn't mean being brain-dead by any stretch of the imagination.
To the contrary, unthinking drone compliance may be more of a sign.



That's what I'm saying.  But people lose interest for different reasons.  Some because it's too hard, some because it's too easy, some for other reasons entirely.  But they are all crammed in together, taught uniformly and expected to all reach their potential? 


So you think the test isn't worth the paper it's written on?
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Reply #26 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 10:44pm
 
Amadd wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 10:40pm:
... wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 10:37pm:
Amadd wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 10:30pm:
My point is that a lack of interest doesn't mean being brain-dead by any stretch of the imagination.
To the contrary, unthinking drone compliance may be more of a sign.



That's what I'm saying.  But people lose interest for different reasons.  Some because it's too hard, some because it's too easy, some for other reasons entirely.  But they are all crammed in together, taught uniformly and expected to all reach their potential? 


So you think the test isn't worth the paper it's written on?



I'd go further - I'd say the education system isn't worth the paper it's written on.  The test in itself I'm indifferent to. It's just a measure to tell us what we already know - some people are smart, some people aren't.
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Reply #27 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 10:47pm
 
It is in the best interests of the school to make the students look like dummies as this attracts extra funding, dumb arse schools get more than smart schools and with that extra funding principals can employ more staff to do their job for them so that they basically get a hundred thou a year for doing nothing.
A better system would be to make the principal turn out genius's or be sacked, then you would get real results.
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Reply #28 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 11:05pm
 
I believe in the three R's as a necessary base. Beyond that, I think that personal interest is more equipped to extract the best out of a person.

No I don't think it's right to have a kid labelled as a dummy because of various reasons.

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Reply #29 - Apr 30th, 2013 at 6:02am
 
Innocent bystander wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 5:02pm:
People need to understand that the public education system isn't about education its about how much money can be rorted out of the budget to gift to union ensconced bludgers and layabouts so that they can flit effortlessly through life without barely lifting a finger.


Do you actually believe that or are you just trolling?

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