Brian Ross wrote on May 10
th, 2013 at 7:23pm:
freediver wrote on May 10
th, 2013 at 12:36pm:
Muhammed was a big fan of collective punishment. He used it to justify slaughtering Jews on many occasions. What it means is that if any one of them pisses you off, you can make the entire community suffer for it. Note that he did not instruct the Muslims to always be upright, to be tolerant, to turn the other cheek, to forgive. He gave them licence to be underhanded and to blame the inevitable escalations of violence on the other party.
Really? Does that make it right? Muhammed was also against collective punishments being handed out to Muslims, FD. Does that make him contradictory? Yes but you don't seem to see those contradictions. I wonder why?
Can you elaborate please Brian? Of course Muhammed was opposed to his followers being treated the way they treated non-Muslims. I'm not sure what you are accusing me of failing to see. Are you back to arguing that me criticising Muslims is exactly the same as Muslims chopping people's heads off?
Quote:I have known personally and professionally quite a few Muslims. Never had a problem with them. They just wanted to be left alone and I likewise. My next door neighbour at the moment is a Muslim. He doesn't rape, beat, pillage or propose such things.
Have you asked him?
Quote:Religion, unlike political ideology relies a great deal more about understanding and belief, than the written word.
Brian, Islam is a political ideology. Even Muslims will acknowledge this. Shariah law can be written down. No-one really gives a crap about the spiritual aspects of Islam.
Quote:However, if you want to know what the mainstream believes, you talk to the laity.
So what did your neighbour say about Shariah law? Or were you too afraid to ask?
Quote:BTW, I have known both old-time and neo-Nazis, Communists, fascists, racists and loads of different people who have followed many and varied political ideologies. Some I've even liked, even if I disagreed with them. I don't think the encounters have hurt me but they have definitely been educational.
Apparently not. Why don't you bang on about persecution whenever people criticise Nazis or fascists?
Quote:I don't believe there is such a thing as "Global Islamic aggression" because there is no central directing or controlling person or people within Islam to create it.
That does not make sense Brian. There is no centralised authority guiding the environmental movement either. Does that mean the global environmental movement does not exist? It's like everything you say fails the common sense test. Does Muhammed count as a cetrnal controlling person? Does the Koran count as a central authority? For most of Islams history that central authority existed in every sense of the word, and many Muslims want to return to that.
Quote:This is exactly what anti-Semites do with Jews and Judaism. You are basically persecuting people. You're doing it not because of what they have done individually but because of your prejudices.
Brian, would you be able to tell the difference between someone standaing up for freedom and democracy and someone persecuting Muslims?
Quote:How many slaves did most people have at the time? Was Slavery illegal then?
Of course it was not illegal. Muhammed legalised it. Many Muslims today want to bring back that standard.
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