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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #135 - May 11^th, 2013 at 9:20am

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 11:45pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 11:42pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 11:40pm:

how many sex slaves did moh have ?

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Endless repeating a question doesn't make it any more valid, Sprintcyclist. As I pointed out, slavery was commonplace in that period in history, even Christians had slaves, many who were, without a doubt also used for the purposes of sex... Roll Eyes

Cyrus the great abolished slavery around 530BC, it returned after the muslim conquest of Persia.

Maria was Mohammads coptic christian sex slave, she gave Mohammad his only son Ibrahim who dies before he reached 2 years of age.

How many sex slaves did Mohammad have before he invented Islam? none zip zilch.

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Reply #136 - May 11^th, 2013 at 3:41pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 9:20am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 11:45pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 11:42pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 11:40pm:

how many sex slaves did moh have ?

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Endless repeating a question doesn't make it any more valid, Sprintcyclist. As I pointed out, slavery was commonplace in that period in history, even Christians had slaves, many who were, without a doubt also used for the purposes of sex... Roll Eyes

Cyrus the great abolished slavery around 530BC, it returned after the muslim conquest of Persia.

Errr, Cyrus the Great didn't rule Arabia in ~600CE. Remember, we are talking about Arabia, not Persia. Slaves where common in Greek, Roman, Dark Ages and Medieval periods, even up through the Renaissance and into the early modern period.

So, keeping slaves was unique to Arabia 1400 years ago? Roll Eyes

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Maria was Mohammads coptic christian sex slave, she gave Mohammad his only son Ibrahim who dies before he reached 2 years of age.

How many sex slaves did Mohammad have before he invented Islam? none zip zilch.

How do you know? The records are incomplete and such that he could have owned slaves and you'd be none the wiser. It is a fallacy of the naive that you assume that the historical record is complete and accurate. Roll Eyes

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #137 - May 11^th, 2013 at 4:41pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 10:33pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 9:37pm:

Soren wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 8:51pm:

Brian, are you saying that if one doesn't know a Nazi personally, one should not form a view about Nazism? Or a Communist -Communism? Or the KKK without knowing a klansman personally? Do you actually have to put your hand in the fire to be able to say that it's hot?

You ARE a newby to Brian's arguments, aren't you?

Now he'll ask how hot the fire was and how calloused your hands were - because IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

Global Islamic aggression should be ignored because it doesn't involve ALL Muslims and it is not supported by ALL the various adherents of an interpretive faith.

Sorta makes you wonder what the Swiss Guards might have in the back of their minds, eh?

As usual, Lionel you read what you want into my views.

I don't believe there is such a thing as "Global Islamic aggression" because there is no central directing or controlling person or people within Islam to create it. I believe there is "Islamic aggression", which can be attributed to individual or groups of Muslims. However, that does not mean you can blame all Muslims for what other Muslims do. That is guilt by association and is exactly what the Takfiri Islamists resort to when they attack (verbally/physically/in writing) "the West".

Like them, Lionel, you're boxing at a strawman representation of Islam as a homogeneous, monolithic entity. with all Muslims working together to bring about this sort of "aggression" you perceive.

This is exactly what anti-Semites do with Jews and Judaism. You are basically persecuting people. You're doing it not because of what they have done individually but because of your prejudices.

That is bigotry.

You see Islam as a challenge to your complacent existence because its followers are different and act differently to what you believe is the norm. A norm which I have repeatedly challenged you to define but which you have steadfastly refused to do so because you realise to do so would mean that your prejudice would be exposed. Roll Eyes

Brian_Ross,

It is not prejudice or bigotry, to recognise, to be cognisant of, the 'inspiration' and influence which ISLAM has upon the behaviour and the attitude of every moslem, towards non-moslems.

You are a wilfully ignorant man Brian_Ross, imo.

By declaring;

"I am a moslem."

;

.....a moslem, every moslem, is directly associating themselves with the 'religious' violence which ISLAM justifies, legitimises, promotes and encourages [as a philosophy].

And every moslem is thereby associating >> themselves << with those violent acts which are purposefully being done, 'in the name of Allah'.i

Koran 2.98
Koran 47:8-11
Koran 4.74-76

The content of those three Koran verse groups, together, form a 'virtuous circle'.

Each verse group firstly confirms and then reinforces the ISLAMIC 'religious' paradigm, that;
1/ unbelief [in man] is a serious 'religious' crime, and that,
2/ the 'criminals' [i.e. the 'unbelievers'] deserve every punishment they get, and the 'criminals' are outside of the protection of law, and that,
3/ good moslems have an obligation to, ....'fight in the cause of Allah' , and all good moslems are 'rightly guided' and are justified in their 'crime fighting'.

Those arguments [above] are 'logically' demonstrated...

1/ "...Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." [i.e. 'Unbelief' [in man] is a crime.].
Koran 2.98
[ - - The enemy of moslems is identified. All of 'unbelieving' mankind, are the declared enemy of moslems.]

2/ "...those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47:8-11
[ - - Here, it is clearly stated to every good moslem, that moslem enmity, violence, and warfare, against 'those who reject Faith', is morally justified, and 'lawful'. /sarc off]

3/ "...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:...."
Koran 4.74-76
[ - - Those who reject 'Faith' are ipso facto, 'rightly' deemed as being innately evil by ISLAM, and by Allah. Therefore those who reject 'Faith', are the rightful targets of moslem enmity, violence, and warfare.
...'those who reject Faith' are also described [Koran 4.74-76], as 'oppressors' and as, 'the friends of Satan'.]

Once again, the ideology which ISLAM inculcates within all moslems, is this;...
1/ 'Unbelief' [in man] is a crime.
2/ The 'criminals' have no 'lawful' protection whatsoever.
3/ The crime of 'unbelief' >> must << be punished, and punishment of 'unbelief' is morally justified, because, the 'unbelievers' are in league with evil forces who are the oppressors of the people [stated in Koran 4.74-76].

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #138 - May 11^th, 2013 at 4:43pm

You are missing the point Brian. This is not about how nice people were 1400 years ago. The point is that Muhammed reintroduced slavery to places where it had already been abolished. Muslims think his standards are eternal and want to reintroduce them to the modern world. It would make no difference if he also had 6 year old wives or sex slaves prior to inventing Islam.

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21614 A cat with a view	Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West. Reply #139 - May 11^th, 2013 at 4:53pm Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 10:50pm: Crayons? You have forgotten, so soon ? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1367633212/58#58 http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1367633212/61#61
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Reply #140 - May 11^th, 2013 at 5:19pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 8:27pm:

Yadda wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 8:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 12:36pm:

Muhammed was a big fan of collective punishment. He used it to justify slaughtering Jews on many occasions. What it means is that if any one of them pisses you off, you can make the entire community suffer for it. Note that he did not instruct the Muslims to always be upright, to be tolerant, to turn the other cheek, to forgive. He gave them licence to be underhanded and to blame the inevitable escalations of violence on the other party.

Really? Does that make it right? Muhammed was also against collective punishments being handed out to Muslims, FD. Does that make him contradictory? Yes but you don't seem to see those contradictions. I wonder why? Roll Eyes

Wherever moslems go in the world [to live] [and where their 'moslem community' become established], their presence creates 'a border of conflict' and/or discord, with all other non-moslem peoples which they 'interface' with.

Always.

Why is that ?

Perhaps it is because of non-acceptance by bigots such as yourself?

Brian, where did you go to school ?

In a madrasa ?

Brian_Ross's logic;

Moslems/ISLAM has a 1400 year history of violence and conflict and discord with non-moslems,

.......because Yadda, and all other peoples that come into conflict with moslems, are bigots.

No.

Yadda's logic;

It is more likely Brian [that ISLAM/moslems are always in conflict with non-moslems], because of the religious determination, which is declared by ISLAM, declared by Allah, and declared in the Koran,
....which encourages moslems to, and 'lawfully' allows moslems to, enslave other men.

e.g.
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

And it [that ISLAM/moslems are always in conflict with non-moslems] is ALSO, because of this common-sense fact;

John Locke 1632-170
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1242692863/0#0
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"......Chapter III
Of the State of War

.....he who attempts to get another man into his absolute power does thereby put himself into a state of war with him; it being to be understood as a declaration of a design upon his life. For I have reason to conclude that he who would get me into his power without my consent would use me as he pleased when he had got me there, and destroy me too when he had a fancy to it; for nobody can desire to have me in his absolute power unless it be to compel me by force to that which is against the right of my freedom- i.e. make me a slave."

Brian_Ross,

What knowledge do you have, of the art of war ?

Maybe sir, you imagine that you have learnt, and know how to conduct yourself during a war ?

But clearly, you have learnt nothing about the primary cause of conflict between men.

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"......he who attempts to get another man into his absolute power does thereby put himself into a state of war with him;"

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Brian_Ross,

Here is another word, for you to look up the meaning of, in a dictionary;

ignorant

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #141 - May 11^th, 2013 at 5:28pm

Yadda wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 4:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 10:33pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 9:37pm:

Soren wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 8:51pm:

Brian, are you saying that if one doesn't know a Nazi personally, one should not form a view about Nazism? Or a Communist -Communism? Or the KKK without knowing a klansman personally? Do you actually have to put your hand in the fire to be able to say that it's hot?

You ARE a newby to Brian's arguments, aren't you?

Now he'll ask how hot the fire was and how calloused your hands were - because IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

Global Islamic aggression should be ignored because it doesn't involve ALL Muslims and it is not supported by ALL the various adherents of an interpretive faith.

Sorta makes you wonder what the Swiss Guards might have in the back of their minds, eh?

As usual, Lionel you read what you want into my views.

I don't believe there is such a thing as "Global Islamic aggression" because there is no central directing or controlling person or people within Islam to create it. I believe there is "Islamic aggression", which can be attributed to individual or groups of Muslims. However, that does not mean you can blame all Muslims for what other Muslims do. That is guilt by association and is exactly what the Takfiri Islamists resort to when they attack (verbally/physically/in writing) "the West".

Like them, Lionel, you're boxing at a strawman representation of Islam as a homogeneous, monolithic entity. with all Muslims working together to bring about this sort of "aggression" you perceive.

This is exactly what anti-Semites do with Jews and Judaism. You are basically persecuting people. You're doing it not because of what they have done individually but because of your prejudices.

That is bigotry.

You see Islam as a challenge to your complacent existence because its followers are different and act differently to what you believe is the norm. A norm which I have repeatedly challenged you to define but which you have steadfastly refused to do so because you realise to do so would mean that your prejudice would be exposed. Roll Eyes

Brian_Ross,

It is not prejudice or bigotry, to recognise, to be cognisant of, the 'inspiration' and influence which ISLAM has upon the behaviour and the attitude of every moslem, towards non-moslems.

You are a wilfully ignorant man Brian_Ross, imo.

By declaring;

"I am a moslem."

;

.....a moslem, every moslem, is directly associating themselves with the 'religious' violence which ISLAM justifies, legitimises, promotes and encourages [as a philosophy].

And every moslem is thereby associating >> themselves << with those violent acts which are purposefully being done, 'in the name of Allah'.

Ah, so, Yadda. So, every Christian is declaring they are equally guilty of what this man does, when they are declaring themselves a Christian?

You have seen what Kony's Lord's Resistance Army does to it's victims? Shocked

All in the name of Christ.

That's the level of your logic.

So, please go back to playing with your crayons and let the adults discuss matters seriously... Roll Eyes

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #142 - May 11^th, 2013 at 5:30pm

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

You are missing the point Brian. This is not about how nice people were 1400 years ago. The point is that Muhammed reintroduced slavery to places where it had already been abolished. Muslims think his standards are eternal and want to reintroduce them to the modern world. It would make no difference if he also had 6 year old wives or sex slaves prior to inventing Islam.

Muhammed introduced slavery. Mmm, might that because his culture allowed slavery?

So, suddenly he's responsible for every aspect of Arabic culture which existed before he was born?

FD, you really are quite strange but then I've never understood bigotry. It seems such a silly way to see people and the world. So, what are you going to blame him for now? Syphilis? Roll Eyes

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Reply #143 - May 11^th, 2013 at 5:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 10:59pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 10:49pm:

total rubbish from the islamic

I'm not a Muslim, Sprintcyclist.

Do you always subscribe to the idea that anybody who questions hatred and bigotry has to be a member of the oppressed group?

Yes, moslems.

'.....the oppressed group'.

Where'd you buy your rose coloured glasses from, Brian ??? Tongue

And, why don't you give some of those glasses, to some of your 'oppressed' moslem friends ?

....you know, those glasses maybe, could change their worldview. Tongue

IMAGE...

London, moslem street protests.
Moslems demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion', to kill people who 'insult' their religion,
.....BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT MOSLEMS BELIEVE.

THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

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IMAGE...

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.

IMAGE...

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
The image above gives us undeniable >> PROOF << that even here in Australia, moslems living in Australia, are teaching their children the basics about ISLAM. Teaching their children intolerance, and the hatred of those, who dare to reject what moslems believe.

IMAGE...

In London, and all over the world, moslem parents, are instilling a criminally hateful mindset, into their children.
Moslems teach their children, to hate those who reject their [ISLAMIC] will.
And moslems, and moslem parents, are doing this on purpose!
And we [their hosts] seemingly have no care, what that moslem 'will' may eventually be revealed to be.

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Anjem Choudary is a moslem community leader in the UK....

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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Reply #145 - May 11^th, 2013 at 5:34pm

Yadda wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 5:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 10:59pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 10^th, 2013 at 10:49pm:

total rubbish from the islamic

I'm not a Muslim, Sprintcyclist.

Do you always subscribe to the idea that anybody who questions hatred and bigotry has to be a member of the oppressed group?

Yes, moslems.

'.....the oppressed group'.

Where'd you buy your rose coloured glasses from, Brian ??? Tongue

They look pretty oppressed to me in most Western countries where bigots such as yourself work your hardest to try and expel them, Yadda.

So, how soon before we see you ushering Muslims into some of these?

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Reply #148 - May 11^th, 2013 at 5:45pm

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 5:35pm:

So Brian Ross will not let us use Muhammed as reflective of Islam because he lived so long ago, but will use Joseph Kony to represent Christianity? And we are the ones who are biased?

I am applying YOUR logic, FD.

Is your logic correct? Nope.

That you appear to see that suggests what about your attitudes towards Muslims?

So, how soon before you start telling Muslims to sew green crescents on their jackets? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

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