Moses, as always the flaw in your argument is that you assume that the Takfiri Islamists represent the mainstream of Islam and the majority of Muslims.  You also seem to have this caricature viewpoint of what Islam is.  For you, it is some sort of monolithic hierarchical structure when in reality it is a difuse, non-hierarchical religion.

You seem to believe in collective guilt that all Muslims are guilty for what all other Muslims do.  This is akin to the anti-Semitic belief that the Jews of today are responsible for what supposedly happened to the founder of your religion.  This sort of belief allowed Christians to quite merrily create industrial death factories and feed innocent people into ovens without a qualm.   

From your language, it is obvious that you are a subscriber to the prophecies of the Book of Revelations and obviously a sufferer of millenarianism.

All you've done is transfer your hatred of Jews to Muslims, Moses.   You are a disgrace to your own avowed religious beliefs.  You're not a real Christian.  You have forgotten Christ's central message of love and acceptance.  You are a mirror image of what you claim to oppose.  Your attitudes would find a happy home amongst those of the Takfiri Islamists.  You'd fit quite well in their ranks.  Just swap the name of your god and you'd have a life membership card.   

moses wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:


Tsk, tsk, Moses, not crediting your source?  Rather dishonest of you, particularly once we see how you've rather selectively quoted the Wikipedia article you took that from.

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[Source - Wikipedia Article on Takfiri - I am unable to link to it because of this board's stupid rules about linking  ]

So, instead of actually quoting the definition, you chose to quote an interpretation of the definition.   Not surprising when we find the definition actually suggests something different, about rigid interpretation of religious belief, rather than just observation of it.

This is typical of you Moses and you keep being caught out at it.  It is part of your Takfiri interpretation of your own religious beliefs.  You cannot accept alternative interpretation of ANYTHING.  Your way MUST BE CORRECT.  Yeah, sure...   

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But in doing so he would miss the central tenant of Buddhism, that each person's journey to enlightenment is individual.   Which is course echoed in Islam and Christianity, with there is nothing between the believer and God.   Yet, to some extent in Islam and in a much greater extent in Christianity, an entire hierarchy has grown up call "the church" where the teachings of the religion are interpreted for the lay believer, by a professional class of interpreters.

The Takfiri has taken upon themselves to become one of those interpreters and only their interpretation is valid.  Who appointed them, Moses?   Why themselves of course.  Which fits you to the "t".  You're self-appointed and your views are based upon literal interpretations created in your own head, no one else's.   You look upon the world in black-and-white.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3^rd, 2013 at 12:46pm:


Amongst Muslims, the rule is: EVERYTHING is okay to do just as long as you chant the mantra ALLAHU AKBAR! ALLAHU AKBAR! before, during and after the abomination.

Whatever the horrors they perform, it's all sanctified by the purification ritual of shouting  ALLAHU AKBAR! ALLAHU AKBAR!

The broader public in the West is WAY more clued-up and awake to the real nature of Immigrant Islam than it was 20 years ago.

A lot of the earlier warm-and-fuzzy feeling has evaporated in direct proportion to losing the initial naivety in believing Islam was 'just another religion' with no social and political agendas.

And then our soldiers had to stop wearing their uniforms in public due to this attracting a hostile and 'negative reaction' from Muslims in the streets and on public transport.

Slowly, gradually, incrementally, the broader and more laid-back sector of the Australian public has been waking up to the fact that the Enemy has been let in through the gates of the city to take up residence alongside us as Sleepers awaiting the Call.   

moses wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 1:43pm:


You put the wrong word between the words "to" and "literal", Moses, as you always do.  It should be "their", not "the".  There is no such thing as a definitive interpretation of Islam, there is only individual interpretations.  Something you would understand if you really understood Islam, which you can't because you won't.  You have instead created a caricature of Islam in your head because you were told it by the Islamists.   

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No, they follow their interpretation of it, Moses.  You won't understand that.   

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Takfiri?  No not evil.  Just badly misguided, like yourself in your zealotry.

Have you booked your place on Ma'sada?

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Like all holy books, people will find what they want in it, Moses.  If they seek justification for evil, they will find it.  If people seek justification for good, they will find it.  Islam as a religion in that regard is no different to Christianity.   Touchy-Feely Christianity is a relatively new invention, Moses.   Until the turn of the 20th century it was all hell-fire, damnation and conquest, now wasn't it?   

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Actually, the point is the Takfiri don't emulate Muhammed, they do what they believe and interpret Muhammed had done, Moses.  You miss that entirely.  Islam is what the mainstream makes it and the Takfiri by their very beliefs are outside the mainstream.  Something you appear unable to grasp.   

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Tell it to the victims of European imperialism and conquest, Moses.  Which was of course justified through Christianity.  The Conquistadores believed they were good Christians.  The fighters in the 30 Years War all believe they were good Christians.  The Europeans who set out and conquered most of the world in the 19th century believed they were all being good Christians.  Many of the Nazis who shovelled Jews and others into the crematoria believed they were being good Christians.  You deny the dark history of your own religion, Moses.  You seem to have forgotten Matthew 7:3 .   

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Look up the word "Zealot", Moses.   It means the same thing and both Takfiri and Zealot describe your viewpoint very well.

Brian Ross

Now let's see if I've got this right. You're telling me:

holy prophet muhammad wasn't a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass-murderer?

allah never once literally demanded muslims commit atrocities?

muhammad never once literally taught that muslims were to  commit atrocities?

The qur'an does not contain literal instructions to commit atrocities?

Well muslims and their apologists should have all the qur'ans recalled and burnt.

Because the simple truth is, every qur'an on this earth, is the literal proof of muhammad and allah exhorting muslims to commit perverted atrocities against their fellow man.

moses wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 3:40pm:


E.P. Hartley summed it up very well, Moses - "The past is another country, they do things differently there."

You are judging Muhammad by a modern moral viewpoint.  He doesn't live now, he lived 1400 years ago, in a completely different culture, with a very different set of mores, Moses.   He wasn't a saint, he was a man.

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So did the Christian God, Moses, in The Bible.  Oops, you never knew that?  How unsurprising!   

Brian Ross wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 10:46pm:


Is that going to make you feel any better about getting your head chopped off?

What do you think is the proper Islamic punishment for blasphemy?

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The term you are looking for is Prophet. You are right though, he certainly was no saint.