Soren wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:


Who blew up the Hilton Hotel on 13 February 1978?

Were they Muslims?

Were they ever caught?

If they weren't Muslims and they were never caught, indicates there are Terrorists in the Australian community who are still at large and therefore are Australians.

Same for the perpetrators of other Terrorist acts on Australian soil:

What about the Soviet Embassy bombing in Canberra on 18 January 1971?

And again on 3 March 1969?

There have been other terrorist incidents:

    1972 bombing of the Yugoslav General Trade Agency in Sydney;
    1980 assassination of the Turkish Consul-General in Sydney;
    1982 bombing of the Israeli Consulate and the Hakoah Club in Sydney; and
    1986 bombing at the Turkish Consulate in Melbourne.

So, was Islam or Muslims behind all of those?  Mmmm?

Looks to me like we have quite a few Terrorists in our midsts.

Your myopia blinds you to any other possibility, except Muslims, Soren.   

So the last non-muslim case was in 1986. Since then, all cases involve muslims.
And you think that noticing the complete dominance of Islamist ideology in terrorsist cases after 1986 is blinkered.

Brian Ross wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 9:33pm:



I am right and you are wrong, laffing boy.

Brian Ross wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 11:13pm:


* Sydney Hilton Hotel on 13 February 1978 - Ananda Marga

* 1978 Soviet Embassy bombing - the Jewish Defense League (now declared a terrorist organisation)

* And again on 3 March 1969? - can't quickly find a reference

* 1972 bombing of the Yugoslav General Trade Agency in Sydney - Croatian terrorists (Muslims?)

* 1980 assassination of the Turkish Consul-General in Sydney - the machine-gunning from the back of a motorcycle? Probably the same guy who was questioned over this did the following:

* 1986 bombing at the Turkish Consulate in Melbourne - perpetrator arrested with an airline ticket to Beirut in his pocket (Muslims?)

* 1982 bombing of the Israeli Consulate and the Hakoah Club in Sydney - PLO (Muslims?)


Did your list come from Wiki, Brian?

Found a couple of interesting links while there;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_car_bombings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_on_diplomatic_missions


Or was it from the Counter Terrorism White Paper?

Which had this to say:

" ... The main source of international terrorism and the primary terrorist threat to Australia and Australian interests today comes from people who follow a distorted and militant interpretation of Islam that calls for violence as the answer to perceived grievances. This broad movement comprises al-Qa’ida, groups allied or associated with it, and others inspired by a similar worldview but not formally linked to al-Qa’ida networks. Their constituency, while small in global terms, shows every sign of persisting even if al-Qa’ida’s current senior leadership were to be killed or captured. ...

... Many distinct terrorist networks with differing and often local objectives share a broadly common set of beliefs that narrowly and simplistically interprets history and current affairs through the lens of the alleged oppression of Muslims, principally by the West. Groups like al-Qa’ida want people to believe:

*  the West, led by the United States of America, is engaged in the systematic exploitation and repression of Muslims;

* governments in Muslim majority countries are illegitimate, corrupt and un-Islamic;

* the solution is the removal of Western interference in Muslim majority countries and the establishment of ‘truly Islamic’ systems of governance;

and

* it is the religious duty of all Muslims individually to use violence to attack the political, military, religious and cultural enemies of Islam anywhere around the world. ... "  http://www.dpmc.gov.au/publications/counter_terrorism/2_the_threat.cfm 


Perhaps a little more research by Soren would alleviate the necessity for an apology. 

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 5:53pm:


Never proven.  Even so, it appears to have been non-Muslims as perpetrators and of course un-inspired by Islam, Lionel.  Whereas we are assured all modern Terrorism in Australia is Islamic.   

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And non-Muslim and non-Islamic, right?

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Six Molotov Cocktails were thrown at the front door.  Non-Muslim/Non-Islamic, right?

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More like to be a member of the PKK, Lionel.   The Kurds were once quite restive about Turkish oppression for some reason...

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Muslims perhaps but hardly inspired by Islam as the Israeli-Palestinian dispute is and remains basically secular in nature.

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Partially, yes.

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Why should I apologise?  He never does nor do you for your bigotry...     

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 15^th, 2013 at 7:53pm:


Lionel, I have always taken on your opinions and beaten you.  To the point by your own admission you refuse even participate any more, instead you merely snipe from the sidelines.

I'll call anybody who is intolerant of Muslims for being Muslims a "bigot" as it is the best word within the lexicon which describes their viewpoint.  I'd use the word to describe anti-Christians, anti-Hindus, etc., etc., so don't make the mistake that its use is purely confined to Islamophobes (funny isn't it that there isn't a similar word like "Christianophobes" or "Hinduphobes" or "Buddhistophobes".  Like anti-Semitism, the English language has created a special word for those who are bigoted towards Muslims ).   

I do not call you a bigot because you disagree with me, Lionel.  I call you a bigot because you are intolerant of Muslims.  For you, all Muslims represent at threat to your viewpoint because they challenge it.

The problem for the West is not accommodating Muslims - we've been doing that for approximately 400 years.   The problem is accommodating bigots who cannot abandon their Xenophobia.   

Brian Ross wrote on May 15^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:


People are tolerant of other people (Muslims).


They are not tolerant of ideologies like Islam - or any other totalitarian ideology.

It is pissweak of you to resort to a deliberate washing together of ideology and people who own the ideology. Not every Muslims owns the responsibility for the atrocities committed in the name of Islam.
Nevertheless, there have been and are, every day, atrocities in the name of Islam that some Muslims do own.

Focus, dude.

Soren wrote on May 15^th, 2013 at 9:06pm:


Dude?  How old are you?   

You're the one who has continually conflated Islam and Muslims.  You claim you're not attacking Muslims but invariably you end up attacking Muslims!   

Is it possible to divorce a religion's followers from the religion, Soren?   It's like suggesting that it would be possible to have Communism without Communists or Hinduism without Hindus!  If no one believes a belief system (ie religion or ideology), then it isn't terribly successful as a belief system and it dies.  No one now worships Mithras or Zeus or Odin...

You've talked about the "civil war" within Islam.  Obviously some Muslims are trying to hijack Islam and other Muslims don't like it.  Therefore your continual efforts to treat them as a monolithic whole is a contradiction, Soren.  Like all your arguments, you claim one thing and then do the opposite.