Brian Ross wrote on May 15^th, 2013 at 8:58pm:


Now there is a point open to debate!

How about you have continually taken issue with the points I raise, and when pushed to provide an anchor for your 'opinions', you then descend into the 'labelling' of the opposition as 'bigots', racists and 'Islamaphobes'?

Your own descriptive language paints you as badly as that with which you describe all opposition, including myself.

The only 'beating', Brian, seems to taking place between the sheets of your own imagination.

If you are unwilling to rescind your usage of the term 'bigot' in such discussions, then there is little point in continuing same. I'll quite happily wear the appellation 'skippy', if the descriptive is accurate. Will you cheerily wear the hat of a 'useful idiot' when it refers to the advancement of an Islamic utopia?

Many people who have crossed swords with you on this subject have taken great pains to differentiate between Muslims and Islam. - to no avail.

This then begs the question - what's the bugger**g difference? Even you can't differentiate - you just highlight the differences.

They still blow sh*t up when disagreed with - that seems to be a common denominator.

Lump 'em all together, Brian - they still pose a significant threat because of their 'varied' beliefs in the tenets of Islam.

Coffee without milk or sugar is still coffee.

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 15^th, 2013 at 11:18pm:


Yet it is not I who has fled the field, Lionel, now is it?   

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If the cap fits....

Lionel, I've never understood someone who continually talks about "race" and the supposed inferiority/superiority of certain ones not liking their arguments being identified as "racist".   The same for bigotry, etc.   Correct identification means everybody knows what the argument is, don't you agree?

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Really?  I've always felt it shows I understand the ramifications of what is being discussed and the position of my opponent(s).   If you don't like being called a duck, then I suggest you stop waddling.   

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Again, I point out, it is not I who has fled with his tail between his legs and returned only to snipe from the sidelines, Lionel, now is it?   

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Where have I suggested anything other than that people should be treated fairly, accorded the respect and the rights that you demand for yourself, Lionel?  If that is an "Islamic utopia" then it is one that is very cheaply bought, I'd suggest (although, I suspect you'd considered it dearly sold!    ).

Stop claiming that all Muslims seek world domination.  It is as bad as the Nazi claim that all Jews have it.  If anti-Semitism is racism, then so is Islamophobia.  If you looked on the otherside of the mirror you're looking into, Lionel, you'd find you, wearing a Nazi uniform quite happily.

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They attempt it but invariably their ire is directed towards Muslims.   I'd also ask, how can you differentiate a religion from it's believers?   Without believers, a religion is nothing.   It's like suggesting that you can attack Christianity but ignore the Christians who give the religion force.   

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Actually, I'd suggest your metaphor is the wrong way 'round Lionel.  Coffee comes naturally without milk or sugar... 

And there folks we also see a perfect example of bigotry.  Doesn't matter where a Muslim lives or whether they are completely unconnected to or don't support or have never "blown poo up".  They still get blamed for it by people such as Lionel.

Most of the world has moved on, having learnt the lessons from WWII where such bigotry and hatred was allowed to hold sway in Occupied Europe and Germany.   People like Lionel seem to have missed that lesson out of their history course, preferring the old-fashioned way of merely hating people 'cause they're different.

And you dare to suggest I've gotten it wrong?  Yea, gods!   

Brian Ross wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 11:53am:


Nice evasion.

Brian Ross wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 2:41pm:


Oh? Now we have to like it?

When this was predicted everybody laughed. How wrong everybody was. We have to like it, it seems.

Brian Ross wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 2:41pm:



Talk to the point, pal, to which the rest is leading an which I have no made a bit more obvious for you. I hope it helps.



This is a spoof of your kind of argument that there are no discernible connections between what Islam is and what Muslims who follow Islam do. This is a ridiculous argument. Not every Muslim is typical but most are. That's why they are called - and self-identify as - Muslims. For most of them, it is their most important self-identifier.
This is no different from others who are religious or who have strong political convictions. In Islam, politics and religion are inseparable, so what you have is identification with strong religious and political aims.

SO when I or anyone else criticises their political aims, you and they throw up your hands and shriek about religious discrimination.

Soren wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:24pm:


Certainly looks like it...   

You don't have to endorse anything, merely tolerate it, Soren as you should the peaceful Muslims in our society.

Brian Ross wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:51pm:



I could help noticing though - and this is an obscure point  - that the Christians stopped killing each other over religious issues some hundreds of years ago.

And it is not just the Takfiris against everyone else. Across the Muslims world sectarian violence is everywhere. And that's just Muslim-on-Muslim voilence. Non-Muslims are also attacked everywhere, from Egypt, Iraq, Burma, Indonesia, India, Boston, Paris, Malmo, Copenhagen.

Brian Ross wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:51pm:



is the essence of your post then ?iA moslem, is a moslem.

Who is a moslem ?


[i.e. the Allah, and the Mohammed, as described in the Koran and Hadith]


By declaring;
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.....a moslem, every moslem, is directly associating themselves with the 'religious' violence which ISLAM justifies, legitimises, promotes and encourages [as a philosophy].

And every moslem is thereby associating >> themselves << with those violent acts which are purposefully being done, 'in the name of Allah'.






A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to kill those, who do not believe, as they believe.

ISLAM teaches all moslems [from childhood], that such behaviour is 'lawful' for them.



"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11



Google;
how islam divides the world, Dar al-Harbi
In ISLAMIC schools moslem children are taught to revere the Koran, and its contents.


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111