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Reply #240 - May 17th, 2013 at 9:39am
 
The Oxford sex ring and the preachers who teach young Muslim men that white girls are cheap
By DR TAJ HARGEY
PUBLISHED: 22:34 GMT, 15 May 2013 | UPDATED: 07:50 GMT, 16 May 2013
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The terrible story of the Oxford child sex ring has brought shame not only on the city of dreaming spires, but also on the local Muslim community.
It is a sense of repulsion and outrage that I feel particularly strongly, working as a Muslim leader and Imam in this neighbourhood and trying  to promote genuine  cultural integration.
There is no doubt that the evil deeds of these men have badly set back the cause of cross-community harmony.
In its harrowing details, this grim saga of exploitation, misogyny, perversion and cruelty fills me not only with desperate sorrow for those girls and their families, but also with dread and despair.
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The Oxford sex gang in court, from L to R: Zeeshan Ahmed, Akhtar Dogar, Anjum Dogar, Kamar Jamil, Bassam Karrar, Mohammed Karrar, Assad Hussain

Seven members of a paedophile ring were found guilty at the Old Bailey of a catalogue of child sex abuse charges: The case has brought shame not only on the city of dreaming spires, but also on the local Muslim community
If I were the judge in this case, I would hand out the harshest possible jail sentences to these monstrous predators, both to see that justice is done for their victims and to send out a message to other exploiters.
And when I say harsh, I mean it: none of this fashionable nonsense about prisoners being released only a quarter of the way through their sentences. There is no pattern of good conduct these men could follow behind bars that could possibly make up for all the terrible suffering they have inflicted on others.
Depravity
But apart from its sheer depravity, what also depresses me about this case is the widespread refusal to face up to its hard realities.
The fact is that the vicious activities of the Oxford ring are bound up with religion and race: religion, because all the perpetrators, though they had different nationalities, were Muslim; and race, because they deliberately targeted vulnerable white girls, whom they appeared to regard as ‘easy meat’, to use one of their revealing, racist phrases.
Indeed, one of the victims who bravely gave evidence in court told a newspaper afterwards that ‘the men exclusively wanted white girls to abuse’.

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Brothers Bassam Karrar (left) and Mohammed Karrar (right) were found guilty at the Old Bailey yesterday. It can not be ignored that all all the perpetrators, though they had different nationalities, were Muslim
But as so often in fearful, politically correct modern Britain, there is a craven unwillingness to face up to this reality.
Commentators and poli-ticians tip-toe around it, hiding behind weasel words.
We are told that child sex abuse happens ‘in all communities’, that white men are really far more likely to be abusers, as has been shown by the fall-out from the Jimmy Savile case.
One particularly misguided commentary argued that the predators’ religion was an irrelevance, for what really mattered was that most of them worked in the night-time economy as taxi drivers, just as in the Rochdale child sex scandal many of the abusers worked in kebab houses, so they had far more opportunities to target vulnerable girls.
'As so often in fearful, politically correct modern Britain, there is a craven unwillingness to face up to the reality that their actions are tied up with religion and race'
But all this is deluded nonsense. While it is, of course, true that abuse happens in all communities, no amount of obfuscation can hide the pattern that has been exposed in a series of recent chilling scandals, from Rochdale to Oxford, and Telford to Derby.
In all these incidents, the abusers were Muslim men, and their targets were under-age white girls.
Moreover, reputable studies show that around 26 per cent of those involved in grooming and exploitation rings are Muslims, which is around five times higher than the proportion of Muslims in the adult male population.
To pretend that this is not an issue for the Islamic community is to fall into a state of ideological denial.



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Reply #241 - May 17th, 2013 at 10:22am
 
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Reply #242 - May 17th, 2013 at 10:29am
 
Soren wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 9:39am:

The Oxford sex ring and the preachers who teach young Muslim men that white girls are cheap.....






Dozens, and dozens, of similar stories of ISLAMIC rape in Europe......

http://muslimrapewave.wordpress.com/




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Reply #243 - May 17th, 2013 at 11:14am
 
Yet mainstream Islam teaches that rape is a sin...

Of course, you might be looking at underlying cultural issues, rather than religious ones but we all know you'd not be interested, 'cause Islam for you is always the culprit, right, Soren and Yadda?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #244 - May 17th, 2013 at 11:29am
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 11:14am:
Yet mainstream Islam teaches that rape is a sin...

Of course, you might be looking at underlying cultural issues, rather than religious ones but we all know you'd not be interested, 'cause Islam for you is always the culprit, right, Soren and Yadda?   Roll Eyes



Yes, let's look at all the possible causes - including Islam.

Muslim men - different nationalities, so it's not ethinicity) - are over-represented in these cases, relative to their proportion in the general population. They target white girls (is that racist??). Islam is the only common link.   Islam teaches different rights and treatment for Muslims and the kuffr.

But Islam has nuffin do wiv nuffin.








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Reply #245 - May 17th, 2013 at 11:36am
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 16th, 2013 at 9:51pm:
Soren, you're still treating Muslims - the followers of Islam - as if they are monolithic. 



No.  I am treating Muslims as the people who are responsible for Islam's reputations, whatever that reputation is (mostly, let's just say, not positive).

You absolve Muslims from Islam's reputation except the good things. Bad Islam is the responsibility of non-Muslims (conspiracy, distortion, etc), only good Islam is entirely the merit of Muslims.

That's the difference between us.

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Reply #246 - May 17th, 2013 at 12:44pm
 
Soren wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 9:39am:

The Oxford sex ring and the preachers who teach young Muslim men that white girls are cheap.....






Dozens, and dozens, of similar stories of ISLAMIC rape in Europe......

http://muslimrapewave.wordpress.com/i
Brian_Ross said....
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Yet mainstream Islam teaches that rape is a sin...



...speaking as though a moslem having non-consensual sex with non-moslem women was haram.




Yadda says....
To a moslem, all things are permissible, if they are permitted by Sharia law.



And all moslems KNOW
what ISLAMIC law permits, and what is forbidden.

But moslems will always 'excuse' the wrong-doing of other moslems, where that wrong-doing is,
1/ inflicted upon 'disbelievers', and where,
2/ that wrong-doing is NOT FORBIDDEN in ISLAM.




Watch the words come out of the lips of Anjem Choudary a moslem community leader in the UK....

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4







Who is a moslem ?

"Allah is my god, and Mohammed is his prophet."

[i.e. the Allah, and the Mohammed, as described in the Koran and Hadith]


By declaring;
"I am a moslem."
;

.....a moslem, every moslem, is directly associating themselves with the 'religious' violence which ISLAM justifies, legitimises, promotes and encourages [as a philosophy].

And every moslem is thereby associating >> themselves << with those violent acts which are purposefully being done, 'in the name of Allah'.


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Reply #247 - May 17th, 2013 at 12:45pm
 
Soren wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 11:36am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 16th, 2013 at 9:51pm:
Soren, you're still treating Muslims - the followers of Islam - as if they are monolithic. 



No.  I am treating Muslims as the people who are responsible for Islam's reputations, whatever that reputation is (mostly, let's just say, not positive).

You absolve Muslims from Islam's reputation except the good things. Bad Islam is the responsibility of non-Muslims (conspiracy, distortion, etc), only good Islam is entirely the merit of Muslims.

That's the difference between us.



Again, a strawman erection effort.  I have never, "absolve[d] Muslims from Islam's reputation except the good things. Bad Islam is the responsibility of non-Muslims (conspiracy, distortion, etc), only good Islam is entirely the merit of Muslims."

Bad Islam is the responsibility of the bad Muslims, Soren.  Capeche?

You however blame all Muslims for the bad reputation that bad Muslims have created in the last "x" years.

That is collective guilt.  That is, amongst thinking people, a "bad thing".   It is poor reasoning and poor understanding of the religion's followers.

That is no different from the (relatively few) Christians who continue to blame all Jews for the execution of Christ 2,000+ years ago.

Typical of bigots though.   Roll Eyes

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Reply #248 - May 17th, 2013 at 12:50pm
 
Yadda wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 12:44pm:
Soren wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 9:39am:

The Oxford sex ring and the preachers who teach young Muslim men that white girls are cheap.....






Dozens, and dozens, of similar stories of ISLAMIC rape in Europe......

http://muslimrapewave.wordpress.com/

Brian_Ross said....
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Yet mainstream Islam teaches that rape is a sin...


...speaking as though a moslem having non-consensual sex with non-moslem women was haram.

Yadda says....
To a moslem, all things are permissible, if they are permitted by Sharia law.


Yes, Yadda may claim that but still rape is forbidden under Sh'ria law.   Roll Eyes

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Reply #249 - May 17th, 2013 at 12:57pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 12:45pm:
Soren wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 11:36am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 16th, 2013 at 9:51pm:
Soren, you're still treating Muslims - the followers of Islam - as if they are monolithic. 



No.  I am treating Muslims as the people who are responsible for Islam's reputations, whatever that reputation is (mostly, let's just say, not positive).

You absolve Muslims from Islam's reputation except the good things. Bad Islam is the responsibility of non-Muslims (conspiracy, distortion, etc), only good Islam is entirely the merit of Muslims.

That's the difference between us.



Again, a strawman erection effort.  I have never, "absolve[d] Muslims from Islam's reputation except the good things. Bad Islam is the responsibility of non-Muslims (conspiracy, distortion, etc), only good Islam is entirely the merit of Muslims."

Bad Islam
is the responsibility of the bad Muslims, Soren.  Capeche?




Bad ISLAM ??????

Wash your mouth out, with carbolic soap!

You naughty boy!!!!!




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You however blame all Muslims
for the bad reputation that bad Muslims have created in the last "x" years.

That is collective guilt.  That is, amongst thinking people, a "bad thing".   It is poor reasoning and poor understanding of the religion's followers.

That is no different from the (relatively few) Christians who continue to blame all Jews for the execution of Christ 2,000+ years ago.

Typical of bigots though.   Roll Eyes



No.

We blame ISLAM, for the bad conduct of moslems.

And, we i condemn moslems who choose to associate themselves with an evil philosophy like ISLAM.

Why so ?

Because a moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to kill those, who do not believe, as they believe.

All moslems need to be censured, imo.









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.....Christians who continue to blame all Jews for the execution of Christ 2,000+ years ago.


p.s.

I though Jesus was a Jew ????

And wasn't Jesus executed by the Romans ?

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Reply #250 - May 17th, 2013 at 1:00pm
 
As a newcomer to the forum, I will comment on this thread based on some of the posts I have read. I haven't read them all but these last few pages seem to be about certain people here making excuses for the terrible crimes committed by some of the followers of Islam.

Without wanting to be thought of as a bigot which does appear to be the popular term for somebody who has an opinion of their own, I can only comment on what I interpret from the few posts I have read. As far as life is concerned, I do see the Muslim world encroaching more and more upon western society with a very dark agenda. I realise that there are good and bad in all walks of life, and yes there must be good well meaning Muslims. However, these I feel are few and far between and are kept under foot by the sick majority.
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Reply #251 - May 17th, 2013 at 1:07pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 12:50pm:
Yadda wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 12:44pm:
Soren wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 9:39am:

The Oxford sex ring and the preachers who teach young Muslim men that white girls are cheap.....






Dozens, and dozens, of similar stories of ISLAMIC rape in Europe......

http://muslimrapewave.wordpress.com/

Brian_Ross said....
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Yet mainstream Islam teaches that rape is a sin...


...speaking as though a moslem having non-consensual sex with non-moslem women was haram.

Yadda says....
To a moslem, all things are permissible, if they are permitted by Sharia law.


Yes, Yadda may claim that but still rape is forbidden under Sh'ria law.
   Roll Eyes




You are a liar.

No ?




Then why wasn't Mohammed punished for teh rapes which he committed [upon captive women] ?

Rape your 'war booty', its OK, say ISLAMIC texts
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251760605/0#0

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Reply #252 - May 17th, 2013 at 2:39pm
 
I don't recognise you as an authority on anything, Yadda, except Crayon use.   

I provided you a link which shows rape is forbidden by Islam.  You ignored it.  Typical for a bigot...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #253 - May 17th, 2013 at 2:41pm
 
Socrates wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 1:00pm:
As a newcomer to the forum, I will comment on this thread based on some of the posts I have read. I haven't read them all but these last few pages seem to be about certain people here making excuses for the terrible crimes committed by some of the followers of Islam.


Really, where?  Can you provide a link to those posts, please?

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Without wanting to be thought of as a bigot which does appear to be the popular term for somebody who has an opinion of their own, I can only comment on what I interpret from the few posts I have read. As far as life is concerned, I do see the Muslim world encroaching more and more upon western society with a very dark agenda. I realise that there are good and bad in all walks of life, and yes there must be good well meaning Muslims. However, these I feel are few and far between and are kept under foot by the sick majority.


I would then say, you're very mistaken.  Very mistaken.  You appear to have the ratios reversed for Muslims.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #254 - May 17th, 2013 at 3:11pm
 
Socrates wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 1:00pm:
As a newcomer to the forum, I will comment on this thread based on some of the posts I have read. I haven't read them all but these last few pages seem to be about certain people here making excuses for the terrible crimes committed by some of the followers of Islam.

Without wanting to be thought of as a bigot which does appear to be the popular term for somebody who has an opinion of their own, I can only comment on what I interpret from the few posts I have read. As far as life is concerned, I do see the Muslim world encroaching more and more upon western society with a very dark agenda. I realise that there are good and bad in all walks of life, and yes there must be good well meaning Muslims. However, these I feel are few and far between and are kept under foot by the sick majority.


Socrates, I appreciate your candor.

In relation to your observations - and in particular to the statements I highlighted - there is another active thread on this forum in which I specifically asked for evidence for the claim that the promotion of terrorism and intolerance (perhaps what you mean by the term "dark agenda"), is in the mainstream of islam. After (currently) 18 pages of posts, no one has produced one shred of evidence to indicate this.

Yet the point of the thread was well made I believe. That is, when critics of islam make claims about the promotion of extremism by mainstream muslims, the only evidence they produce is 1. what the texts say and 2. anecdotes. As explained in detail in the thread, both of these are flawed - 1. because what the texts say doesn't prove anything about what actual every day muslims say and do in the real world and 2. anecdotes can be produced for just about any activity - but it says nothing about the prevalence of such activity.

So my question to you socrates, is are you any different? You made the claim right there in your post:

yes there must be good well meaning Muslims. However, these I feel are few and far between and are kept under foot by the sick majority

What exactly gives you this "feeling"? Do you have any compelling evidence that supports this? If not, would you agree that you are unfairly slandering an entire group of people?

Yadda wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 1:07pm:
Then why wasn't Mohammed punished for teh rapes which he committed [upon captive women] ?

Rape your 'war booty', its OK, say ISLAMIC texts
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251760605/0#0



Speaking of lying, even this claim of yours is about what Mohammad's subjects did - nothing is mentioned at all about Mohammad raping anyone. So why do you say he did?
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