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Reply #270 - May 17^th, 2013 at 9:12pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 7:08pm:

Socrates wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 4:05pm:

Not at all, my opinion is based on the "unfair" slaughter of innocents the world over, and that isn't a feeling it's a fact. There must be good people who follow Islam, but we really only see the dark face of that ideology; the destruction of entire countries, the destruction of innocent people....NY, London, Spain, etc.....Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa, etc...

OK, as most of the innocents you've named are Muslims themselves, don't you think it odd that they are being slaughtered by other Muslims? Your view appears to be the simplistic one so common here that all Muslims are evil. That is bigotry, in case you're interested.

The fact that innocent Muslims are being slaughtered because they refuse to accept the views of the minority of other Muslims who are pushing their views to the point of resorting to murder rather suggests that the minority who are Terrorists aren't the mainstream... Roll Eyes

I am sorry but I am only now twigging on to the fact that you are thicker than I thought.

If there is no mainstream Islam, how is there a minority or majority or any other recognised standard? According to your stupid, myopic PC crap, all Muslims are individuals and they are even more atomistic than any western hedonist individualist could fvckn DREAM of - o how do you draw the line between a majority and a minority except by re-drawing it EVERY time it suits you??

Comprende?

I bet you don't.

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #271 - May 17^th, 2013 at 9:16pm

Yadda wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 8:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 2:39pm:

I don't recognise you as an authority on anything, Yadda, except Crayon use.

I provided you a link which shows rape is forbidden by Islam. You ignored it.

Typical for a bigot... Roll Eyes

Confronted with truth and facts that do not coincide with your own argument and with your own worldview;

DEFLECT;
CASTIGATE;
ABUSE;
and.....
REFUSE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE(S)

How is pointing out what you claimed was untrue, "refusing to address the issue(s)", Yadda?

Could it be that you are the one who is refusing to accept that what you claim is actually untrue?

Of course you are, you're a bigot. Roll Eyes

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #272 - May 17^th, 2013 at 9:19pm

Soren wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 9:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 7:08pm:

Socrates wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 4:05pm:

Not at all, my opinion is based on the "unfair" slaughter of innocents the world over, and that isn't a feeling it's a fact. There must be good people who follow Islam, but we really only see the dark face of that ideology; the destruction of entire countries, the destruction of innocent people....NY, London, Spain, etc.....Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa, etc...

OK, as most of the innocents you've named are Muslims themselves, don't you think it odd that they are being slaughtered by other Muslims? Your view appears to be the simplistic one so common here that all Muslims are evil. That is bigotry, in case you're interested.

The fact that innocent Muslims are being slaughtered because they refuse to accept the views of the minority of other Muslims who are pushing their views to the point of resorting to murder rather suggests that the minority who are Terrorists aren't the mainstream... Roll Eyes

I am sorry but I am only now twigging on to the fact that you are thicker than I thought.

If there is no mainstream Islam, how is there a minority or majority or any other recognised standard? According to your stupid, myopic PC crap, all Muslims are individuals and they are even more atomistic than any western hedonist individualist could fvckn DREAM of - o how do you draw the line between a majority and a minority except by re-drawing it EVERY time it suits you??

Comprende?

I bet you don't.

You're right, I don't.

Of course there is a "mainstream" in Islam. It is the version(s) of Islam that the majority of Muslims follow, Soren.

The minority interpretations, the ones promoted by the extremists, the Takfiri Islamists, are well, obviously in the minority. Otherwise they wouldn't need to have to force their interpretation on the majority of Muslims by massacring them/blowing them up/etc., now would they?

You ability to follow even simple logic just amazes me, Soren. Everything must bow to your bigotry it appears. Roll Eyes

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West. Reply #273 - May 17^th, 2013 at 9:19pm Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 12:45pm: Bad Islam is the responsibility of the bad Muslims, Soren. Capeche? And how do you decide, mook, what is 'bad Islam'?? By your standards, being a non-Muslim? Or by Muslim standards, which you are not able to judge by, being a kuffr.
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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #274 - May 17^th, 2013 at 9:22pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 9:19pm:

Soren wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 9:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 7:08pm:

Socrates wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 4:05pm:

Not at all, my opinion is based on the "unfair" slaughter of innocents the world over, and that isn't a feeling it's a fact. There must be good people who follow Islam, but we really only see the dark face of that ideology; the destruction of entire countries, the destruction of innocent people....NY, London, Spain, etc.....Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa, etc...

OK, as most of the innocents you've named are Muslims themselves, don't you think it odd that they are being slaughtered by other Muslims? Your view appears to be the simplistic one so common here that all Muslims are evil. That is bigotry, in case you're interested.

The fact that innocent Muslims are being slaughtered because they refuse to accept the views of the minority of other Muslims who are pushing their views to the point of resorting to murder rather suggests that the minority who are Terrorists aren't the mainstream... Roll Eyes

I am sorry but I am only now twigging on to the fact that you are thicker than I thought.

If there is no mainstream Islam, how is there a minority or majority or any other recognised standard? According to your stupid, myopic PC crap, all Muslims are individuals and they are even more atomistic than any western hedonist individualist could fvckn DREAM of - o how do you draw the line between a majority and a minority except by re-drawing it EVERY time it suits you??

Comprende?

I bet you don't.

You're right, I don't.

Of course there is a "mainstream" in Islam. It is the version(s) of Islam that the majority of Muslims follow, Soren.

The minority interpretations, the ones promoted by the extremists, the Takfiri Islamists, are well, obviously in the minority. Otherwise they wouldn't need to have to force their interpretation on the majority of Muslims by massacring them/blowing them up/etc., now would they?

You ability to follow even simple logic just amazes me, Soren. Everything must bow to your bigotry it appears. Roll Eyes

The majority of Muslims follow various Sunni and Shia interpretations of Islam. Which one do you mean as the majority? Any particular Sunni sect. ANy SHia sect? Or what?
Or do you really not know?

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #275 - May 17^th, 2013 at 9:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 11:14am:

Yet mainstream Islam teaches that rape is a sin...

Of course, you might be looking at underlying cultural issues

Oh!!!@ The underlying cultural issues when it comes to Muslims raping white girls!!
How could I forget the underlying cultural issues!!

Just remind us, Brian - what are the underlying cultural issues that allow Muslim men to see the rape of white girls differently from how you see it?

Tell us, go on.

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #276 - May 17^th, 2013 at 9:40pm

Soren wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 9:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

Bad Islam is the responsibility of the bad Muslims, Soren. Capeche?

And how do you decide, mook, what is 'bad Islam'?? By your standards, being a non-Muslim?
Or by Muslim standards, which you are not able to judge by, being a kuffr.

I judge them by their deeds, Soren.

You judge them by their associations. Roll Eyes

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #277 - May 17^th, 2013 at 9:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 9:40pm:

Soren wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 9:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

Bad Islam is the responsibility of the bad Muslims, Soren. Capeche?

And how do you decide, mook, what is 'bad Islam'?? By your standards, being a non-Muslim?
Or by Muslim standards, which you are not able to judge by, being a kuffr.

I judge them by their deeds, Soren.

You judge them by their associations. Roll Eyes

What is the grounding of your judgement?
Islam? Christianity, Humanism, Atheism, Left-Liberal Green ism? What?

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #278 - May 17^th, 2013 at 9:42pm

Soren wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 9:22pm:

The majority of Muslims follow various Sunni and Shia interpretations of Islam. Which one do you mean as the majority? Any particular Sunni sect. ANy SHia sect? Or what?
Or do you really don't know?

I think it's up to them, don't you, Soren?

There are good Sunni, there are bad Sunni, there are good Sh'ia there are bad Sh'ia.

Islam like any religion can be used to justify an heinous act if one really desires to. Christians do it all the time. Just look at the Christians who used to blow up whole cities in WWII. Roll Eyes

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #279 - May 17^th, 2013 at 9:45pm

Soren wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 9:40pm:

Soren wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 9:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

Bad Islam is the responsibility of the bad Muslims, Soren. Capeche?

And how do you decide, mook, what is 'bad Islam'?? By your standards, being a non-Muslim?
Or by Muslim standards, which you are not able to judge by, being a kuffr.

I judge them by their deeds, Soren.

You judge them by their associations. Roll Eyes

What is the grounding of your judgement?
Islam? Christianity, Humanism, Atheism, Left-Liberal Green ism? What?

Once more you're judging people by their associations, Soren. Roll Eyes

My personal morality draws on many sources, including Islam. Most religions have common elements. You however appear blind to them. I wonder why?

On what basis do you make your judgements?

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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #280 - May 17^th, 2013 at 9:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

Soren wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 9:22pm:

The majority of Muslims follow various Sunni and Shia interpretations of Islam. Which one do you mean as the majority? Any particular Sunni sect. ANy SHia sect? Or what?
Or do you really don't know?

I think it's up to them, don't you, Soren?

There are good Sunni, there are bad Sunni, there are good Sh'ia there are bad Sh'ia.

Islam like any religion can be used to justify an heinous act if one really desires to. Christians do it all the time. Just look at the Christians who used to blow up whole cities in WWII. Roll Eyes

I want to know your standard of judging them good or bad.
Is it an Islamic standard?
Or a Christian, or Humanist or Atheist or Jewish standard.

Do thy accept your standard, whatever it is, as authoritative for them?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West. Reply #281 - May 17^th, 2013 at 9:47pm Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 9:42pm: I think it's up to them, don't you, Soren? Not in this society, I don't.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West. Reply #282 - May 17^th, 2013 at 9:49pm Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 9:45pm: Once more you're judging people by their associations, Soren. In this society, your associations are freely chosen, so yes, I do judge people by the choices thy make about their associations. And so do you.
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Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West.
Reply #283 - May 17^th, 2013 at 9:55pm

Soren wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 9:22pm:

The majority of Muslims follow various Sunni and Shia interpretations of Islam. Which one do you mean as the majority? Any particular Sunni sect. ANy SHia sect? Or what?
Or do you really not know?

Don't over-complicate this Soren - we don't need to identify every single interpretation of islam - there are too many to count. All we are interested in are the ones that promote violence and intolerance as opposed to the ones that promote the opposite. And all we need to know is that the number of muslims in the latter are in the clear majority.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Islamonausea Rising in the West. Reply #284 - May 17^th, 2013 at 9:59pm Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 9:45pm: Soren wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 9:42pm: What is the grounding of your judgement? On what basis do you make your judgements? Answer first, dickie. I asked you a question.
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