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Re: Most Muslims Want Sharia Law
Reply #105 - May 11^th, 2013 at 10:28pm

Yadda wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 9:01pm:

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Being a bigot means that a person [i.e. the bigot!] [objects to others with differing opinion(s), expressing their opinion(s).

It does not mean that i am a bigot, BECAUSE i express an opinion, Brian.

I've never claimed that, Yadda. You are a bigot because of the content of the opinion you express, not because you're actually expressing an opinion.

That you seem unable to detect that your opinions are bigoted is understandable, afterall bigots always assume they are right, particularly about issues of religion... Roll Eyes

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Re: Most Muslims Want Sharia Law
Reply #106 - May 12^th, 2013 at 9:54am

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 10:28pm:

Yadda wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 9:01pm:

[quote author=Yadda link=1367461526/103#103 date=1368269157]
Being a bigot means that a person [i.e. the bigot!] [objects to others with differing opinion(s), expressing their opinion(s).

It does not mean that i am a bigot, BECAUSE i express an opinion, Brian.

I've never claimed that, Yadda.

You are a bigot because of the content of the opinion you express,

....not because you're actually expressing an opinion.

That you seem unable to detect that your opinions are bigoted is understandable, afterall bigots always assume they are right, particularly about issues of religion... Roll Eyes

Brian_Ross,

So.

You claim that i am a bigot, because e.g., i say that ISLAM is a deceitful, vicious, violent philosophy ?

Is that it ?

Truth = = bigotry ?

No it isn't.

Truth should always be declared, fearlessly, ....no matter the cost. [Matthew 16:25,26]

Love of truth [by some!] is what protects our rights, and our very liberty.

yadda said....
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Many people do not want to believe, .....the truth.

Many people today, hate, .....the truth.

And yet the truth is never diminished, by those who reject the truth.

The integrity of truth remains intact, even though some will always reject it.

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Whenever we become tolerant of evil [in our midst], we ourselves, become evil.
Think about this;
If we consent to live with evil [in our midst], it is because we have become tolerant of evil.
And if we are tolerant of evil, it is because we now, ARE evil.

Our leaders have chosen to embrace darkness, and lies.
Those 'leaders of men', have become a group of people who refuse to discern between good and evil, between truth and falsehood.
No one, nobody among them, will today criticise the evil [i.e. ISLAM], which they [our leaders] have chosen to embrace as a 'partner'.

We become, what we are tolerant of.

If we tolerate evil, and wickedness, in our midst,
...we become those, who are evil, OURSELVES.

Tolerance of what is evil, is not 'tolerance'.

Tolerance of what is evil, is not a 'virtue'.

It is wickedness!

Truth, is saying that white IS white.
Truth, is saying that black IS black.

Truth is condemning the guilty.

Truth is defending the innocent.

Truth is rejecting political correctness, by having the courage to expose, and condemn lies.

The love of truth is that what comes from God [from God's spirit within us].

Being 'tolerant' of what is evil, is not 'good', nor is it not a display of 'love'.
...but rather, it is a display of craven stupidity, and [moral] cowardice.

If we tolerate evil, and wickedness, in others [in those in our midst], we will become spiritually lost [which is ALWAYS exhibited in a 'people' by emotions and 'feelings' like, confusion, indecisivenesses, depression, etc.]

Jeremiah 9:3
....they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
George Orwell

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
George Orwell

Among a people generally corrupt, liberty cannot long exist.
Edmund Burke

I can understand a child being afraid of the dark, but I cannot understand an adult being afraid of the light.
Plato

Those who voluntarily put power into the hands of a tyrant or an enemy, must not wonder if it be at last turned against themselves.
- Aesop

You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in their struggle for independence.
- Charles Austin Beard, American Historian, 1874-1948

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Most Muslims Want Sharia Law
Reply #107 - May 12^th, 2013 at 11:54am

Yadda wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 10:28pm:

Yadda wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 9:01pm:

[quote author=Yadda link=1367461526/103#103 date=1368269157]
Being a bigot means that a person [i.e. the bigot!] [objects to others with differing opinion(s), expressing their opinion(s).

It does not mean that i am a bigot, BECAUSE i express an opinion, Brian.

I've never claimed that, Yadda.

You are a bigot because of the content of the opinion you express,

....not because you're actually expressing an opinion.

That you seem unable to detect that your opinions are bigoted is understandable, afterall bigots always assume they are right, particularly about issues of religion... Roll Eyes

Brian_Ross,

So.

You claim that i am a bigot, because e.g., i say that ISLAM is a deceitful, vicious, violent philosophy ?

Yes. You also claim Muslims are "deceitful, vicious," and, "violent", without proof that they have done such things as individuals.

If I substituted the word "black person" for the word "Muslim", Yadda in your comments, I'd hope even you'd see it as being racist. Saying the same thing about Muslims is bigoted. Roll Eyes

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Reply #108 - May 13^th, 2013 at 5:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 5:17pm:

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

What evidence?

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“A great misconception prevails as to the age at which Aisha was taken in marriage by the Prophet. Ibn Sa‘d has stated in the Tabaqat that when Abu Bakr [father of Aisha] was approached on behalf of the Holy Prophet, he replied that the girl had already been betrothed to Jubair, and that he would have to settle the matter first with him. This shows that Aisha must have been approaching majority at the time. Again, the Isaba, speaking of the Prophet’s daughter Fatima, says that she was born five years before the Call and was about five years older than Aisha. This shows that Aisha must have been about ten years at the time of her betrothal to the Prophet, and not six years as she is generally supposed to be. This is further borne out by the fact that Aisha herself is reported to have stated that when the chapter [of the Holy Quran] entitled The Moon, the fifty-fourth chapter, was revealed, she was a girl playing about and remembered certain verses then revealed. Now the fifty-fourth chapter was undoubtedly revealed before the sixth year of the Call. All these considerations point to but one conclusion, viz., that Aisha could not have been less than ten years of age at the time of her nikah, which was virtually only a betrothal. And there is one report in the Tabaqat that Aisha was nine years of age at the time of nikah. Again it is a fact admitted on all hands that the nikah of Aisha took place in the tenth year of the Call in the month of Shawwal, while there is also preponderance of evidence as to the consummation of her marriage taking place in the second year of Hijra in the same month, which shows that full five years had elapsed between the nikah and the consummation. Hence there is not the least doubt that Aisha was at least nine or ten years of age at the time of betrothal, and fourteen or fifteen years at the time of marriage.”

http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm

Either way, it is still woefully inadequate evidence that he was a pedophile.

Your source is hardly mainstream Islam,The Ahmadi in Pakistan cannot even call themselves muslims thanks to the Pakistani penal code #295.
99% of the population of Pakistan is muslim.

The ahmadi are persecuted by mainstream Islam for heretical beliefs. Grin

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Ahmadis are considered non muslims by mainstream muslims.

The Ahmadis have been considered heretics and non muslim and subjected to systematic persecution and oppression (by mainstream muslims.. Grin

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www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ahmadis

What do you think Al Munajid who studied under the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia will say about Aishas age,the Saudis do think al Bukhari is rock solid.

It is a muslim hadith that says Aisha took her toys with her when she was taken to the profit at age 9.
Girls who have reached puberty are not allowed to have dolls/toys so this indicates Aisha was prepubescent,Falah has argued she reached puberty at age 9.
www.islamqa.com/en/ref/1493/aisha

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42540	Re: Most Muslims Want Sharia Law Reply #109 - May 13^th, 2013 at 6:55pm Why are the words "black person" being substituted for the word "n.i.g.g.e.r" in my posts? Who is forcing political correctness here? Appears some people don't think that black people should be offended...
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Reply #110 - May 23^rd, 2013 at 1:43am

hello again morons.

Yadda... I would have responded to your posts,.. but mysteriously... Roll Eyes

I have received no notification of posts after mine on 11.5. so ...no reply from me.

I had this happen before,,, Roll Eyes

mayhap its the mod cutting me out of the thread. Angry

as to the general THRUST till now ... a female child.... no countless millions of female children, over the centuries, have been used and abused by elder, even senile men.. MUSLIM men.

Tho... my view of manhood does not include enslaving abusing impregnating and killing young females as a holy duty.
Fheads.
I wouldn't want to meet me in a dark place either, if I believed in the crap you pricks think is good, noble, even holy.!!

What a huge pile of self-deceivers you Muslims are. You can't agree on anything... except killing each other, and infidels.

Keep on killing each other... perfectly cool.... do better...!!!
Hey Iraq and Syria are leading the way... go for it fwits.
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Most Muslims Want Sharia Law Reply #111 - May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:44pm Rather strident stuff. What about the Muslims who respect and honour women are they to be condemned as well along with those that don't? Appears you're applying rather a scattergun approach there. Of course it also seems to include the Muslim women and girls as well. Typical of bigots to blame the victims too.
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Reply #112 - May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:26pm

|dev|null wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:44pm:

Rather strident stuff.

What about the Muslims who respect and honour women are they to be condemned as well along with those that don't?

Appears you're applying rather a scattergun approach there.

Of course it also seems to include the Muslim women and girls as well.

Typical of bigots to blame the victims too. Roll Eyes

Where did I say all muslims..??
or blame the victims..??

(at least you agree there ARE victims...?)

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Most Muslims Want Sharia Law Reply #113 - May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:29pm I was referring to those Muslim men who do these deeds with impunity... even honour... even here in Australia.. not those you refer to. Perhaps that wasn't obvious... >??
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42540	Re: Most Muslims Want Sharia Law Reply #114 - May 24^th, 2013 at 8:02am Emma wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:29pm: I was referring to those Muslim men who do these deeds with impunity... even honour... even here in Australia.. not those you refer to. Perhaps that wasn't obvious... >?? Yes, it wasn't obvious. Perhaps a little less strident and more intelligence?
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Reply #115 - May 24^th, 2013 at 10:31am

|dev|null wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:44pm:

Rather strident stuff.

What about the Muslims who respect and honour women are they to be condemned as well along with those that don't?

So what rights do women have where Islam originated from in Saudi Arabia?

Can they drive or leave their homes without a mahram (blood relative they are forbidden to marry)?

Women should learn this verse to understand women's rights in Islam, or you could listen to what Sheik Hilaly said about staying home with your hijab on to avoid being treated like uncovered meat in relation to gang rapes from muslim men.

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Allah speaking-

Men are in charge of women by (right of) what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend (for maintenance) from their wealth.
So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in (the husbands) absence what Allah would have them guard.
But those wives from whom you fear arrogance-(first) advise them (then if they persist) forsake them in bed (works with polygamy the man does not go without) and finally strike them.But if they obey you(once more) seek no means against them.Allah is ever exalted and grand
www.quran.com/4/34

Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy allows wife beating if you fear disobedience, the muslim women are raised to know their place.

If a muslim dies while he is unhappy with his wife she goes to the hellfire, this is the religion leftist dim wits support.

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Reply #116 - May 24^th, 2013 at 2:39pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 10:31am:

|dev|null wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:44pm:

Rather strident stuff.

What about the Muslims who respect and honour women are they to be condemned as well along with those that don't?

So what rights do women have where Islam originated from in Saudi Arabia?

Last time I checked, Saudi Arabia is not the whole Muslim world and is considered rather backward and autocratic by many Muslims. Some even consider Wahabbism an aberration and heretical.

So, instead of letting your prejudices do your thinking for you, actually look at reality! Grin

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"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #118 - May 24^th, 2013 at 3:44pm

|dev|null wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 2:39pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 10:31am:

|dev|null wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:44pm:

Rather strident stuff.

What about the Muslims who respect and honour women are they to be condemned as well along with those that don't?

So what rights do women have where Islam originated from in Saudi Arabia?

Last time I checked, Saudi Arabia is not the whole Muslim world and is considered rather backward and autocratic by many Muslims. Some even consider Wahabbism an aberration and heretical.

So, instead of letting your prejudices do your thinking for you, actually look at reality! Grin

The munafiqs (hypocrites is what the allah of the quran calls them) like to say the Saudis do not represent Islam yet Saudi Arabia has been ruled by Islam for the last 1400 years, one of the 5 pillars of Islam is Hajj and muslims go to Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia for that, even the shia do Hajj.
Muslims face Mecca in Saudi Arabia when praying.

The Saudi constitution has in article 1 that Gods book (Quran) and the sunnah of his prophet (Sahih al Bukhari would be one) are the country's constitution.
The Saudi royals are the only unislamic thing in Saudi Arabia, there has never been royalty in Islam they do a caliphate form of fascist dictatorship, fascists dont tolerate critics and Islam demands critics are to be executed for blasphemy.

By calling their Islam wahhabism you are showing your ignorance of Islam.
Muhammad Wahhab is a well respected Islamic scholar, he did nothing innovative he just returned Islam to what it was by purifying it.
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The Salafi movement is a movement among sunni muslims.

Many Salafists consider the term Wahhabi derogatory and object to being called that.
Salafism has become associated with literalist strict and puritanical approaches to Islam.

According to the 2010 German domestic intelligence report,Salafism is the fastest growing Islamic movement in the world.
(The Saudi petrodollars are funding mosques, do you get a Saudi imam with that package?)

Salafis view the salaf as an eternal model for all succeeding muslim generations in their beliefs,exegesis,method of worship,mannerisms,moral piety and conduct:The Islam they practice is seen as pure,unadulterated and therefore,the ultimate authority for the interpretation of the sunnah.
(Annie a sunni muslim who posts here even asked the Salafi called Falah for opinions on Islam)
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi

Wiki is never reliable with muslims editing it, lets see what salafi websites say-
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The salafi dawah is that of the Quran and sunnah, ie the religion of Islam-pure and free from any and all additions,deletions and alterations.
www.salafipublications.com/sps/sp.cfm?subsecID=SLF02&articleID=SLF020001&article...

Islam is rather backward as you say, those who flee from the political,social,economic and moral failures of Islamic countries still come with Islam because they fail to recognise it is Islam that explains these political,social,economic and moral failures.

The Quran says you cannot pick and choose which parts to believe in , it is a package deal if you want those houris and a evelasting erection to service them,the muslims who have posted in this forum say the ability to pick and choose is what separates Islam from the other religions.
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Allah speaking-
So do you believe in part of the scripture and disbelieve in part?
Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in this worldly life:and on the day of resurrection they ill be sent back to the severest of punishment,Allah is not unaware of what you do.
www.quran.com/2/85

Allah calls those who think they can pick and choose what parts of Islam to follow munafiqs (hypocrites).
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Allah speaking-
O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them.
And their refuge is hell, and wretched is the destination.
www.quran.com/9/73

Gandalf has no hope of taming the fundamentalists, they will call him a hypocrite just like allah does.

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