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Reply #135 - May 25^th, 2013 at 1:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

the vast majority of muslims in both the UK and Australia are assimilating very well. Nothing either of you or anyone else has said has come close to disproving this. The presense of a very noticeable and publicized minority doesn't change this fact.

You've dodged my question.

Do you or do you not think an immigrant from the UK fits better into Australia's cultural identity thank an immigrant from Muslim countries?

Hello, Herbert

John is now posting on DR. It will be interesting to see what Brian does with his button.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 42540	Re: Most Muslims Want Sharia Law Reply #136 - May 25^th, 2013 at 1:25pm polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 11:29am: you sound like an apologist for violence Datalife. I don't see that, Gandalf. DL is merely making an observation. He's neither apologising or advocating such matters. Nor though, is he condemning it.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 42540	Re: Most Muslims Want Sharia Law Reply #137 - May 25^th, 2013 at 1:25pm Lord Herbert wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 11:51am: Socrates wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 3:52pm: Most Muslims should be eradicated. Maybe 'irradiated' might be better ~ so we can use them as glowing speed bumps and environmentally-friendly nighttime lighting for our major highways? Still trolling, Herbie?
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Reply #138 - May 25^th, 2013 at 1:30pm

Nicole Page wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

the vast majority of muslims in both the UK and Australia are assimilating very well. Nothing either of you or anyone else has said has come close to disproving this. The presense of a very noticeable and publicized minority doesn't change this fact.

You've dodged my question.

Do you or do you not think an immigrant from the UK fits better into Australia's cultural identity thank an immigrant from Muslim countries?

What if he is a Muslim from the UK, "Nicole"?

Which predominates, his Britishness or his Muslimness (if such a word exists)?

I am sure you'll claim that his Muslim identity over-shadows all his Britishness.

So, what if he's a late convert to Islam? Been British all their life until the day before they immigrate. Which predominates? Does conversion to Islam automatically destroy all vestiges of Britishness? Roll Eyes

You know, not that long ago, everything you're claiming about Muslims was claimed about Catholics and Jews and the Indochinese?

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Hello, Herbert

John is now posting on DR. It will be interesting to see what Brian does with his button.

John is registered. He has yet to make a post. If he abides by the rules, he can post to his heart's content. Why aren't you posting? Unable to abide by the rules?

Herbie by the way isn't posting 'cause he's incompetent and can't follow the instructs to reset his own password. Roll Eyes

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Re: Most Muslims Want Sharia Law
Reply #139 - May 25^th, 2013 at 2:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

the vast majority of muslims in both the UK and Australia are assimilating very well. Nothing either of you or anyone else has said has come close to disproving this. The presense of a very noticeable and publicized minority doesn't change this fact.

Integrating ~ but not assimilating.

Any people applying for emigration to Britain or Australia who believe it is a criminal act for a Muslim to convert to Christianity ~ should be immediately disqualified.

Any people who believe Sharia Law is above the law of the prospective host country ~ should immediately be disqualified from immigration.

Any people who believe the interests of ANY Muslim country takes priority in importance over their British or Australian adopted country ~ should be immediately deported.

Any Australian or British Muslim now fighting as volunteers in Syria with al-Qaeda affiliated rebel forces should have their citizenship papers torn up and be immediately deported upon their return.

Any Muslim on the dole longer than 5 years should be summarily deported back to the Middle East or elsewhere.

Etc etc.

One day, some day, just maybe we will get a national leader with the common sense to put these policies into law.

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Reply #140 - May 25^th, 2013 at 2:30pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:25pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 11:51am:

Socrates wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 3:52pm:

Most Muslims should be eradicated.

Maybe 'irradiated' might be better ~ so we can use them as glowing speed bumps and environmentally-friendly nighttime lighting for our major highways?

Cool

Still trolling, Herbie? Roll Eyes

Still chasing me to come play in your sandpit at the newly erected Lenin-Marxist version of D&R .. ?

I finally solved the login problem ... but then just couldn't be bothered.

(I can be bribed though. Monthly payments to my account through PayPal or a Visa Card).

Don't forget the anti-Muslim protests in "every major city". Should prove to be ... er ... 'lively'.

I'm planning on kicking the police dogs and then throwing a milk crate through a police car's windshield.

I'll be interested to see what penalty the judge gives me.

VERY interested.

Make you sick, wouldn't it? I share their smirking contempt for our politicians and our legal fraternity.

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Reply #141 - May 25^th, 2013 at 3:31pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:25pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 11:51am:

Socrates wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 3:52pm:

Most Muslims should be eradicated.

Maybe 'irradiated' might be better ~ so we can use them as glowing speed bumps and environmentally-friendly nighttime lighting for our major highways?

Cool

Still trolling, Herbie? Roll Eyes

Still chasing me to come play in your sandpit at the newly erected Lenin-Marxist version of D&R .. ?

Where has any Marxist-Leninist viewpoint been expressed, Herbie?

I expect you couldn't identify Marxist-Leninist views if they bit you on the bum, it's just another trolling effort by throwing abuse at any that questions your views, Herbie. Roll Eyes

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I finally solved the login problem ... but then just couldn't be bothered.

The problem was between screen and keyboard, Herbie. Nothing to do with the forum software. Grin

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(I can be bribed though. Monthly payments to my account through PayPal or a Visa Card).

Don't forget the anti-Muslim protests in "every major city". Should prove to be ... er ... 'lively'.

I'm planning on kicking the police dogs and then throwing a milk crate through a police car's windshield.

I'll be interested to see what penalty the judge gives me.

VERY interested.

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Make you sick, wouldn't it? I share their smirking contempt for our politicians and our legal fraternity.

I've always maintained that you shared the same views with those you criticise, Herbie.

Keep on trolling here, please. We are better off it would seem without you, if this is the best you can come up with. Roll Eyes

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Reply #142 - May 25^th, 2013 at 8:13pm

Nicole Page wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:25pm:

You've dodged my question.

Do you or do you not think an immigrant from the UK fits better into Australia's cultural identity thank an immigrant from Muslim countries?

An immigrant like Herbert? No thanks.

Nicole, the white Australia Policy was abolished over 40 years ago, and multiculturalism has been well and trully embraced. Most Australians would (and do if polls are anything to go by) agree that Australian society is the better for it - both culturally and economically.

There are bigots in every community - not least of all the British/white community. Are you suggesting that embarking on a discriminatory immigration policy - or God forbid - returning to the WAP will actually make us a better society? I don't. We have endured ethnic crime and unrest for our entire existence, but always the benefits of those ethnic communities has outweighed the problems.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #143 - May 25^th, 2013 at 9:44pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

[quote author=gandalf link=1367461526/124#124 date=1369441749]

...... around 90% of them are intransigently committed to remaining as much as possible a foreign identity in the mould of their original homelands.

They're not English, or even British. They are a colonial presence of incompatible foreigners who are using Britain as a means of gaining the sort of wealth they never could acquire in their own countries.They haven't the slightest intention of letting their offspring assimilate with the locals towards becoming 'English'. ....

Sounds familiar does it herbie?? Should.. shouldn't it? Sounds like a rather good description of the British Raj in India . !!

What goes around comes around... and there is simply nothing to gain from bemoaning karma.

I shall now read on.

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Reply #144 - May 25^th, 2013 at 9:54pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 8:13pm:

Nicole Page wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:25pm:

You've dodged my question.

Do you or do you not think an immigrant from the UK fits better into Australia's cultural identity thank an immigrant from Muslim countries?

An immigrant like Herbert? No thanks.

Nicole, the white Australia Policy was abolished over 40 years ago, and multiculturalism has been well and trully embraced. Most Australians would (and do if polls are anything to go by) agree that Australian society is the better for it - both culturally and economically.

There are bigots in every community - not least of all the British/white community. Are you suggesting that embarking on a discriminatory immigration policy - or God forbid - returning to the WAP will actually make us a better society? I don't. We have endured ethnic crime and unrest for our entire existence, but always the benefits of those ethnic communities has outweighed the problems.

Agreed.

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Reply #145 - May 25^th, 2013 at 10:08pm

Asian and Middle Eastern and African societies are fundamentally unstable, poor, fractious, corrupt.

Australia isn't. Because it wasn't made along Asian, Middle Eastern, African lines.

This is why Australia is desirable to all, including Asians, Middle Easterners and Africans. Because it is Western and essentially Anglo-European politically, socially, culturally.
Non-Europeans are coming here because Australia is NOTHING like where they come from. But a lot of them, once they are here, are agitating for making Australia more like an Asian, Middle Eastern or African society.
Go figure, as the Americans say.

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Reply #146 - May 25^th, 2013 at 10:35pm

yeah Soren

seems human (not dog) nature to bite the hand that feeds them.

then again.... being human, they are indelibly affected by their experiences, as are we all. Sad

I would NEVER say, that refugees would act as those two British born young islamic terrorists did... that is an act that almost beggars belief!!!
Sadly.. I say almost. .THAT speaks more to another mindset. ..Like the homegrown terrorists in the US.. and no.. before the Boston attack... the earlier acts by US fundamentalists who hated the govt... it is NOT confined to Moslem extremists..

seems we should expect more... Sad

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Reply #147 - May 25^th, 2013 at 10:51pm

Emma wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 9:44pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

[quote author=gandalf link=1367461526/124#124 date=1369441749]

...... around 90% of them are intransigently committed to remaining as much as possible a foreign identity in the mould of their original homelands.

They're not English, or even British. They are a colonial presence of incompatible foreigners who are using Britain as a means of gaining the sort of wealth they never could acquire in their own countries.They haven't the slightest intention of letting their offspring assimilate with the locals towards becoming 'English'. ....

Sounds familiar does it herbie?? Should.. shouldn't it? Sounds like a rather good description of the British Raj in India . !!

What goes around comes around... and there is simply nothing to gain from bemoaning karma.

I shall now read on.

Stop doing the blame game emma.

We can all quote history.There's plenty of it to quote.
But that sadly isn't going to solve this particular era of history is it?
You either learn by mistakes or you are destined to repeat them.Quoting them isn't going to do it.There is an evilness in our time that has to be sorted.

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Reply #148 - May 25^th, 2013 at 10:57pm

Soren wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 10:08pm:

Asian and Middle Eastern and African societies are fundamentally unstable, poor, fractious, corrupt.

Right - so when people from these places get the opportunity to come to a place like Australia, they will invariably jump at it, and determine to make the best of the opportunity. Consequently, immigrants from the poorest parts of the world have been amongst our most valuable and productive immigrants. Most Australians will attest to this. I've frankly never heard of an immigrant from a tin pot sh!t hole attempting to turn Australia into that same tin pot sh!t hole.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #149 - May 25^th, 2013 at 11:19pm

brumbie wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 10:51pm:

Emma wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 9:44pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

[quote author=gandalf link=1367461526/124#124 date=1369441749]

...... around 90% of them are intransigently committed to remaining as much as possible a foreign identity in the mould of their original homelands.

They're not English, or even British. They are a colonial presence of incompatible foreigners who are using Britain as a means of gaining the sort of wealth they never could acquire in their own countries.They haven't the slightest intention of letting their offspring assimilate with the locals towards becoming 'English'. ....

Sounds familiar does it herbie?? Should.. shouldn't it? Sounds like a rather good description of the British Raj in India . !!

What goes around comes around... and there is simply nothing to gain from bemoaning karma.

I shall now read on.

Stop doing the blame game emma.

We can all quote history.There's plenty of it to quote.
But that sadly isn't going to solve this particular era of history is it?
You either learn by mistakes or you are destined to repeat them.Quoting them isn't going to do it.There is an evilness in our time that has to be sorted.

oh I do agree with you brumbie, and the 'blame game' ..?
like I said ... What goes around comes around... and there is simply nothing to gain from bemoaning karma.

By which I mean there is NO real advantage in pointing to others as responsible for the atrocities of the past. In that lies a continuation of the same. Naive..??

We are all in need of a new start ... which cannot be achieved until we address '....evilness in our time that has to be sorted.' Again I agree.

I believe... ( and I have very few beliefs) ... that we can only respect ourselves as humans... all of us .. as humans... we..== all of us.. regardless of creed or colour..

..we can only achieve peace by starting at the beginning...

WE MUST TREASURE our home.. we must care for this EARTH before OURSELVES... or our GODS.!
..we must not foul our only home...
WE MUST NOT FOUL OUR HOME.!

Whilst we continue to do so... for whatever reason..!!..we remain foul.. and less than animals.

That is where we start , and where we eradicate.. this evilness upon us.

Not by worshipping the dollar, nor any God.

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