freediver wrote on May 11
th, 2013 at 9:57am:
Quote:I also wonder why, if he's spoke to so many, he continually only cites a few?
It's interesting that FD just doesn't detect the irony of his own comments.
You have cited zero Brian. In fact you have gone to some length to avoid discussing the details, sticking steadfastly to vague platitudes.
Obviously you're not reading all my messages, FD.
I've yet to see you cite more than two sources. I tend to cite many, including the Q'ran.
Quote: Quote:Why do the Taliban have to send suicide bombers to other regions of the country to blow up fellow Muslims? Surely their fellow Muslims, if they were all true followers of Islam, as defined by you and other of it's critics here, would all hold the same opinion and automatically reject the democratic process.
Abu has suggested that the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for promoting the wrong type of Islam.
Abu whom? Please provide me with a link to where he "suggested" this. Who BTW defines what is the "wrong type of Islam"? You? Him? The Taliban? I'm interested to find this out...
Quote: Quote:Why would a Muslim nation like Pakistan even be a democracy (in theory, if not thus far in practice) in the first place if Islam rejected the concepts of democracy so completely, as you and the Taliban claim?
Because Islam makes Muslims so impotent today. The same thing that made them such a feared empire is destroying them today. Do you realise that western nations created the nation of Pakistan, and that one of the chief complaints from Muslims is this type of foreign interference?
Errr, Muslims created the nation of Pakistan and it's constitution, FD. The UK granted independence, not the form of government that the majority population of Pakistan created. It's obviously you know very little of the history of the Partition of India if you believe otherwise.
Quote: Quote:Oh, wait, that was 1400 years ago.
Again Brian, this would be relevant if Muslims left these standards in the past. The problem is that they consider them to be timeless universal moral standards.
Do they or is just that some Muslims believe this?
Most Muslims live today, in the modern age. They use the Q'ran and Muhammed's teachings as a guide. Some take them literally, most less so. You assume that all Muslims are both devout and perfect. I wonder why? Perhaps because it suits your purpose to do so?
Tell, FD, do you have any good figures on Mosque attendance in Western countries? The best I've come across for Australia suggest that only about ~40% of Muslims here regularly attend Mosque. You realise that isn't much higher than Christians attending Church? Appears we have many Muslims who aren't devout, aren't obedient and don't bother with what the Imams tell them. Funny that...
Quote: Quote:you just weren't here at the time.
What Brian means is why aren't you constantly interuppting discussion about Islam with references to toher religions the way he does to prove your lack of bias.
No, what Brian means is that you keep referring to people who no longer post here. You seem to believe they are some sort of authority on the topic of Islam without any means to prove they are. I could Moses about Christianity but I'd get an extremely distorted view of what the realities of Christianity as a religion are and have been. Citing him would be pointless. That is on a par with your continual citing of this Abu person.
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