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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: US boy, 5, accidentally shoots and kills sister, 2 Reply #105 - May 5^th, 2013 at 2:53pm Chard, the fact genuine, decent legislation amendments to gun control in ths country is shot down by Republicans in the pocket of the NRA is not something to be proud. Gun laws here are absolutely retarded.
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Re: US boy, 5, accidentally shoots and kills sister, 2
Reply #106 - May 5^th, 2013 at 3:05pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 2:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 2:15pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 2:10pm:

Chard wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

No, they created a product in response to a consumer demand.

You can't seriously run with that answer?!

It certainly was his most ludicrous answer thus far.

He'll start to back peddle now: watch out for terms like "legal" and "illicit".

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Beats the hell out of making knee-jerk generalizations . Considering that so fwr your entire argument is "itvs immoral because, um...because I say so" I find it hilarious you gripe about me using a definable standard that's actually relevant to OP article.

But hey, why actually make a coherent factual argument when you can pat youself on the back instead.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137820 Gender:	Re: US boy, 5, accidentally shoots and kills sister, 2 Reply #107 - May 5^th, 2013 at 3:06pm Life_goes_on wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 2:46pm: You could probably go and brew up a batch yourself (it's easy) I've got a few hours to kill this afternoon.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137820 Gender:	Re: US boy, 5, accidentally shoots and kills sister, 2 Reply #108 - May 5^th, 2013 at 3:08pm Chard wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 3:05pm: Beats the hell out of making knee-jerk generalizations That was your plan 'B', was it? Hmmm, it might be time for you to consider a third option.
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Reply #109 - May 5^th, 2013 at 3:14pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 2:53pm:

Chard, the fact genuine, decent legislation amendments to gun control in ths country is shot down by Republicans in the pocket of the NRA is not something to be proud.

By all means, show me where I've ever disagreed with that. I thought I made it clear in the last gun thread that I'm in favor of gun control.

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Gun laws here are absolutely retarded.

That's mostly because traditionally we've allowed the states to decide on how they want to handle gun laws. It's actually pretty rare to see the fedal government create and implement gun laws that force all the states to use the same statutes. Last one I can recall that's still in effect is the background check s and waiting period for first time pistol purchases.

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Re: US boy, 5, accidentally shoots and kills sister, 2
Reply #110 - May 5^th, 2013 at 3:19pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 3:08pm:

Chard wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 3:05pm:

Beats the hell out of making knee-jerk generalizations

That was your plan 'B', was it?

Hmmm, it might be time for you to consider a third option.

Greg, all you have is opinion and whatever convoluted morales you subscribe to for an argument. You could try and prove me wrong, but that would require you to A) know what the hell your claims talking about, and B) not be a dishonest asshole.

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Reply #111 - May 5^th, 2013 at 3:24pm

Well I haven't read the last thread but if you're suggesting the law is not to blame when we allow companies to make firearms for children.....

It's a reasonable assumption you're a tad loose on the gun control.

I think people who think citizens should have ak-47s and grenade launchers would agree with the law for kids.

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Reply #112 - May 5^th, 2013 at 3:28pm

Chard wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 3:19pm:

You could try and prove me wrong ...

Already ticked that box.

You claimed that "The responsibility for this begins and ends with the kids parents. "

However, you were quickly shown that the responsibility for this begins with the manufacturer, and ends with the parents.

The rest has just been icing on the cake.

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Re: US boy, 5, accidentally shoots and kills sister, 2
Reply #114 - May 5^th, 2013 at 4:05pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

Chard wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 3:19pm:

You could try and prove me wrong ...

Already ticked that box.

You claimed that "The responsibility for this begins and ends with the kids parents. "

However, you were quickly shown that the responsibility for this begins with the manufacturer, and ends with the parents.

The only thing you've shown is the ability to repeat yourself. That you faoled to actually address any of my arguments proves that.

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he rest has just been icing on the cake.

The last thing your fatass needs is more cake.

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Reply #115 - May 5^th, 2013 at 4:07pm

Chard wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 4:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

Chard wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 3:19pm:

You could try and prove me wrong ...

Already ticked that box.

You claimed that "The responsibility for this begins and ends with the kids parents. "

However, you were quickly shown that the responsibility for this begins with the manufacturer, and ends with the parents.

The only thing you've shown is the ability to repeat yourself. That you faoled to actually address any of my arguments proves that.

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he rest has just been icing on the cake.

The last thing your fatass needs is more cake.

I do love a sore loser.

Better luck next time old boy.

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Reply #116 - May 5^th, 2013 at 5:51pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

Chard wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 3:19pm:

You could try and prove me wrong ...

Already ticked that box.

You claimed that "The responsibility for this begins and ends with the kids parents. "

However, you were quickly shown that the responsibility for this begins with the manufacturer, and ends with the parents.

The rest has just been icing on the cake.

Logic fallacies, Peccy. You're engaging in circular reasoning and begging the question. Stating the conclusion in your premise is not an argument!

How's that law degree going for ya?

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Reply #117 - May 5^th, 2013 at 11:44pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 5:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

Chard wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 3:19pm:

You could try and prove me wrong ...

Already ticked that box.

You claimed that "The responsibility for this begins and ends with the kids parents. "

However, you were quickly shown that the responsibility for this begins with the manufacturer, and ends with the parents.

The rest has just been icing on the cake.

Logic fallacies, Peccy. You're engaging in circular reasoning and begging the question. Stating the conclusion in your premise is not an argument!

How's that law degree going for ya?

Chard has been shown up (again) as a fool.

His "argument" has been destroyed.

Life is good.

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Re: US boy, 5, accidentally shoots and kills sister, 2
Reply #118 - May 6^th, 2013 at 4:32am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 11:44pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 5:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

Chard wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 3:19pm:

You could try and prove me wrong ...

Already ticked that box.

You claimed that "The responsibility for this begins and ends with the kids parents. "

However, you were quickly shown that the responsibility for this begins with the manufacturer, and ends with the parents.

The rest has just been icing on the cake.

Logic fallacies, Peccy. You're engaging in circular reasoning and begging the question. Stating the conclusion in your premise is not an argument!

How's that law degree going for ya?

Chard has been shown up (again) as a fool.

His "argument" has been destroyed.

Life is good.

Slapping yourself on the back and actually doing are two different things. How about you try actuaply responding to my arguments instead of repeating the same thing over and over like a broken record. Here, I'll even be a nice guy and respost it for you.

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Chard wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

No, they created a product in response to a consumer demand.

A decision that is morally reprehensible.

In your opinion it's "immoral". In legal fact it's completely kosher under US law.

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Just because a consumer demand exists, it doesn't mean supplying that demand is the right thing to do.

Again, that's your opinion and if the product was illegal or unsafe to operate then you'd have a point. Problem is the product Cricket produced is A) completely legal in the US, and B) is perfectly safe to operate if you follow the manufacturer's instruction. Sparks not only failed to heed those instructions, she did so in a way that she could he held criminally liable for.

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Responsibility for this tragedy starts with the gun manufacturer, and ends with the parents.

And what measure are you using to make that conclusion? It sure as hell doesn't have any legal basis on cricket's part.

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The stupid parents have to suffer with this for the rest of their lives.

So will their son, who gets to spend the rest of his pife knowing he killed his sister because his mother is an irresponsible twat.

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Hopefully Cricket will go broke: they need to pay for their greed-driven irresponsibility.

Doubtful. If anything people will buy more of their products. It happens evety time when a shooting happens that gets some fool in congress to indruce a gun control bill. For example, after Congresswoman Gabreil Giffords was shot there was a call for banning high capacity magazines. Know what happened? Sales for high capacity pistol magazines jumped by just shy of 300%.

Put up or shut up time, fatty.

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Reply #119 - May 6^th, 2013 at 7:38am

Chard wrote on May 6^th, 2013 at 4:32am:

How about you try actuaply responding to my arguments ...

Already ticked that box.

You claimed that "The responsibility for this begins and ends with the kids parents. "

However, you were quickly shown that the responsibility for this begins with the manufacturer, and ends with the parents.

Better luck next time.

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