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Reply #45 - May 4th, 2013 at 6:30am
 
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They could be prevented doing this stupid thing if the gun wasn't built, advertised and sold as suitable for children.



...and if the car wasn't built by GMH that the drunk was driving that hit and killed my friend on his motor bike he would still be alive today.

FFS Freedman you are an idiot.
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Reply #46 - May 4th, 2013 at 7:04am
 
Well 4 year olds arent marketed to or allowed to drive

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Reply #47 - May 4th, 2013 at 7:13am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 7:04am:
Well 4 year olds arent marketed to or allowed to drive

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Jesus, were you born this thick or did it happen later in life Miss Borg?

Head injury? Lack of oxygen to your brain when your mother tried to drown you at birth? Someone tie a plastic bag over your head?
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Re: US boy, 5, accidentally shoots and kills sister, 2
Reply #48 - May 4th, 2013 at 7:41am
 
KJT1981 wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 6:30am:
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They could be prevented doing this stupid thing if the gun wasn't built, advertised and sold as suitable for children.



...and if the car wasn't built by GMH that the drunk was driving that hit and killed my friend on his motor bike he would still be alive today.

FFS Freedman you are an idiot.


Numberplate, we have already dealt with that stupid argument which is raised by imbeciles like yourself.

I realise the gin makes it hard for you to think clearly, but do try, there's a dear.
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Reply #49 - May 4th, 2013 at 7:44am
 
But I am sorry to hear your friend was killed. Someone like you would have so few.
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Reply #50 - May 4th, 2013 at 7:47am
 
KJT1981 wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 7:13am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 7:04am:
Well 4 year olds arent marketed to or allowed to drive

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Jesus, were you born this thick or did it happen later in life Miss Borg?

Head injury? Lack of oxygen to your brain when your mother tried to drown you at birth? Someone tie a plastic bag over your head?


Oh so you disagree? Car ads are targeted @ 4 year olds? a 4 year old can drive? Where is your evidence?

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Re: US boy, 5, accidentally shoots and kills sister, 2
Reply #51 - May 4th, 2013 at 8:54am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 7:47am:
KJT1981 wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 7:13am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 7:04am:
Well 4 year olds arent marketed to or allowed to drive

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Jesus, were you born this thick or did it happen later in life Miss Borg?

Head injury? Lack of oxygen to your brain when your mother tried to drown you at birth? Someone tie a plastic bag over your head?


Oh so you disagree? Car ads are targeted @ 4 year olds? a 4 year old can drive? Where is your evidence?

SOB



Fair dinkum Miss Borg you are a complete tool.
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Reply #52 - May 4th, 2013 at 9:01am
 
Chard wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 2:08am:
Not a single bit of that is the fault of Cricket, the rifle's manufacturer. Now keep in mind that in the US there at tens of thousands of "youth" rifles purchased by parents to teach there children to shoot. If this is so dangerous then why am Iam not seeing more stories like the OP?


over 500 children die in the US each year from gun accidents. Do you think thats acceptable?

Look, we get that the parents are responsible - no one is disputing that. But like what Peter Freedman said:

Peter Freedman wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 6:26am:
The parents were crazy to give a lethal weapon to a five-year-old. But some parents do stupid things. They could be prevented doing this stupid thing if the gun wasn't built, advertised and sold as suitable for children.


In a nutshell. 5 year olds are not capable of handling a rifle on their own - fact. I would go even further and say 5 year olds can't be trusted to handle a rifle even with the tightest parental supervision possible. They simply don't have the physical strength, motor neuron development or mental capacity to be trusted holding a rifle. For that reason, it is irresponsible for manufacturers to market and sell rifle's specifically for children as young as 5.

Or to take a slightly different angle, consider another aspect of the manufacturer's responsibility. As I understand it, whenever adults purchase a gun, the seller is obliged to perform a background check to ensure guns don't fall into the wrong hands right? So what happens when parents buy guns for their 5 year old kids? Does the seller have to perform any checks to ensure the parents will be responsible supervisors? Somehow I doubt it. Likely they perform a criminal background check on the parents, but not on whether they will supervise responsibly. Can't imagine how that could be done anyway. So basically, companys like Cricketts sell guns to parents, to be used by their small children - knowing full well that they can only be safely used by the strictest of parental supervision, without having any idea whether the parents will or can be that responsible.

In short, Cricketts is grossly negligent in marketing and selling guns specifically for small children as young as 5.
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Re: US boy, 5, accidentally shoots and kills sister, 2
Reply #53 - May 4th, 2013 at 10:56am
 
Peter Freedman wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 6:26am:
Chard wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 2:08am:
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Ok, lets look at the facts here. The mother of the children left a five-year old to "play" with an unsecured rifle while she cleaned the house. She also either failed to clear the rifle beforehand or she left unsecured ammunition where he son could find it. So right off the bat she commited the following errors,

1. She left an unsecured firearm where children could get access to it.

2. She knowingly allowed a five year old to "play" with an actual firearm.

3. She failed to either teach proper gun safety to that child despite living in a household with firearms in it.

4. She failed to properly clear the weapon and/or had unsecured ammo around the home.

Not a single bit of that is the fault of Cricket, the rifle's manufacturer. Now keep in mind that in the US there at tens of thousands of "youth" rifles purchased by parents to teach there children to shoot. If this is so dangerous then why am Iam not seeing more stories like the OP? 

Oh, right, because Stephanie Sparks is an idiot who let a five year old "play" with a loaded firearm unsupervised while she was busy cleaning, her two year old died because of it, and you goulish f*ckwits are to busy screaming "guns are bad" to understand that had Stephanie Sparks not left a five year old alone with a gun that this incident wouldn't have happened.


Ok, Chard, let's see if I can get through to you. Unlikely, but there is always hope.

A gun is a weapon, not a toy. It has no place in the hands of a child barely out of nappies.


Are you rearing impaired? Reason I ask is you just quote me saying itvs not a toy and for some reason you completely missed this.


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The parents were crazy to give a lethal weapon to a five-year-old. But some parents do stupid things. They could be prevented doing this stupid thing if the gun wasn't built, advertised and sold as suitable for children.


You forgot "plastered with warnings that it isn't a toy and direct afult supervision is required". Guess what Stephanie
Sparks did? She left a child alone with a loaded gun. How you think itvs the manufacturers fault for that is simply amazing and really makes me wonder just how far up your ass your head really is.


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I guess the difference between us is that you think it is acceptable for a 5yo to have a gun as long as there is parental supervision. I don't.



Bullshit. The difference is I believe parents are responsible for their children and not a third party, especially when the parent does exactly what that third party told them not to do.
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Reply #54 - May 4th, 2013 at 11:16am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 9:01am:
Chard wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 2:08am:
Not a single bit of that is the fault of Cricket, the rifle's manufacturer. Now keep in mind that in the US there at tens of thousands of "youth" rifles purchased by parents to teach there children to shoot. If this is so dangerous then why am Iam not seeing more stories like the OP?


over 500 children die in the US each year from gun accidents. Do you think thats acceptable?


And in almost every single case the failure point in gun safety was at the parents end. How smacking hard is it for you to understand that if you choose to store or operate a product in an unsafe manner, especially in ways the manufacturer is specifically warning you against, then it isn't the manufacturers fault that you are an idiot.


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In a nutshell. 5 year olds are not capable of handling a rifle on their own - fact. I would go even further and say 5 year olds can't be trusted to handle a rifle even with the tightest parental supervision possible. They simply don't have the physical strength, motor neuron development or mental capacity to be trusted holding a rifle. For that reason, it is irresponsible for manufacturers to market and sell rifle's specifically for children as young as 5.


Which part of "Stephanie Sparks let a child play with a loaded rifle as if it were a toy and pissed off to do housework" are you not getting?


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In short, Cricketts is grossly negligent in marketing and selling guns specifically for small children as young as 5.


Cricket's responsibility ended the second Stephanie Sparks gave a firearm to a five year old as a toy, failed to clear the weapon or left ammunition laying about where said child could find it, and then left that child unattended. There are three completely seperate instances of negligence on her part. The Manufacturer speciffically warned against all three of the things she did, yet she did them, not the manufacturer.

Three seperate instances of negligence, Stephanie Sparks might as well have pulled the trigger her self.
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Reply #55 - May 4th, 2013 at 11:19am
 
I have a gun at home. It's kept far away from the kids and its not hung out as a toy to be played with.

The State of California affords me the right to take force with this registered weapon should I be in fear of my life and subject to home invasion.

All perfectly fine and I think the legislation does need working on.

I happen to agree with the President on this area. I don't agree with him on healthcare and taxes but I do on gun control.

This country, Chard, whether you like it or not - has a serious fking gun problem to be fixed.
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Reply #56 - May 4th, 2013 at 11:24am
 
Chard wrote on May 3rd, 2013 at 6:51pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 3rd, 2013 at 5:44pm:
Chard wrote on May 3rd, 2013 at 5:26pm:
Is it Cricket's responsibility to supervise that child?



No.  It's Cricket's responsibility to not manufacture guns for children.

The responsibility for this most certainly begins with the manufacturer, and ends with the parents.



Only they aren't marketing guns to kids, they're manufacuring and marketing towards parents that want to teach their children how to shoot or otherwise engage them in shooting sports. It's still the responsibility of the parent to provide and supervise a safe environment for doing that. It's not the manufacturer's fault the child's parents we operating a product in an unsafe mannet.



The manufacturer is making guns specifically for kids.

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It's the manufacturer's responsibility to not make guns for children.

You seem to be having trouble understanding this simple point.

The responsibility for this begins with the manufacturer, and ends with the parents.
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Reply #57 - May 4th, 2013 at 11:24am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 11:19am:
This country, Chard, whether you like it or not - has a serious fking gun problem to be fixed.


No' we have a massive smacking problem with idiots that can't follow clearly written instructions.
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Reply #58 - May 4th, 2013 at 11:26am
 
Chard wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 11:24am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 11:19am:
This country, Chard, whether you like it or not - has a serious fking gun problem to be fixed.


No' we have a massive smacking problem with idiots that can't follow clearly written instructions.



Really?
Those guys in Compton, Inglewood and Watts aren't reading the instructions correctly?
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Reply #59 - May 4th, 2013 at 11:33am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 11:24am:
Chard wrote on May 3rd, 2013 at 6:51pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 3rd, 2013 at 5:44pm:
Chard wrote on May 3rd, 2013 at 5:26pm:
Is it Cricket's responsibility to supervise that child?



No.  It's Cricket's responsibility to not manufacture guns for children.

The responsibility for this most certainly begins with the manufacturer, and ends with the parents.



Only they aren't marketing guns to kids, they're manufacuring and marketing towards parents that want to teach their children how to shoot or otherwise engage them in shooting sports. It's still the responsibility of the parent to provide and supervise a safe environment for doing that. It's not the manufacturer's fault the child's parents we operating a product in an unsafe mannet.



The manufacturer is making guns specifically for kids.

http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2011/12/06/245643_01_crick...

It's the manufacturer's responsibility to not make guns for children.

You seem to be having trouble understanding this simple point.

The responsibility for this begins with the manufacturer, and ends with the parents.


No, the manufacturer's responsibility ended the second Stephanie Sparks decided to ignore the warning label on the front of the box. But thanks for proving my point about the warning labels. Gotta say it's pretty smacking hilarious you missed that when you went for a picture that was supposed to prove the manufacturer is somehow at fault.
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