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Reply #60 - May 4^th, 2013 at 11:34am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 11:24am:

Chard wrote on May 3^rd, 2013 at 6:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 3^rd, 2013 at 5:44pm:

Chard wrote on May 3^rd, 2013 at 5:26pm:

Is it Cricket's responsibility to supervise that child?

No. It's Cricket's responsibility to not manufacture guns for children.

The responsibility for this most certainly begins with the manufacturer, and ends with the parents.

Only they aren't marketing guns to kids, they're manufacuring and marketing towards parents that want to teach their children how to shoot or otherwise engage them in shooting sports. It's still the responsibility of the parent to provide and supervise a safe environment for doing that. It's not the manufacturer's fault the child's parents we operating a product in an unsafe mannet.

The manufacturer is making guns specifically for kids.

http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2011/12/06/245643_01_crick...

It's the manufacturer's responsibility to not make guns for children.

You seem to be having trouble understanding this simple point.

The responsibility for this begins with the manufacturer, and ends with the parents.

No, the manufacturer's responsibility ended the second Stephanie Sparks decided to ignore the warning label on the front of the box. But thanks for proving my point about the warning labels. Gotta say it's pretty smacking hilarious you missed that when you went for a picture that was supposed to prove the manufacturer is somehow at fault.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: US boy, 5, accidentally shoots and kills sister, 2 Reply #61 - May 4^th, 2013 at 11:39am Manufacturing weapons for children - is absolutely fking retarded.
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Reply #62 - May 4^th, 2013 at 11:47am

Chard wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 11:34am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 11:24am:

Chard wrote on May 3^rd, 2013 at 6:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 3^rd, 2013 at 5:44pm:

Chard wrote on May 3^rd, 2013 at 5:26pm:

Is it Cricket's responsibility to supervise that child?

No. It's Cricket's responsibility to not manufacture guns for children.

The responsibility for this most certainly begins with the manufacturer, and ends with the parents.

Only they aren't marketing guns to kids, they're manufacuring and marketing towards parents that want to teach their children how to shoot or otherwise engage them in shooting sports. It's still the responsibility of the parent to provide and supervise a safe environment for doing that. It's not the manufacturer's fault the child's parents we operating a product in an unsafe mannet.

The manufacturer is making guns specifically for kids.

http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2011/12/06/245643_01_crick...

It's the manufacturer's responsibility to not make guns for children.

You seem to be having trouble understanding this simple point.

The responsibility for this begins with the manufacturer, and ends with the parents.

No, the manufacturer's responsibility ended the second Stephanie Sparks decided to ignore the warning label on the front of the box. But thanks for proving my point about the warning labels. Gotta say it's pretty smacking hilarious you missed that when you went for a picture that was supposed to prove the manufacturer is somehow at fault.

I can assure you, the manufacturer is at fault: they make the guns for children, not the parents. If they didn't make the guns the parents couldn't buy them.

The responsibility for this begins with the manufacturer, and ends with the parents.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137833 Gender:	Re: US boy, 5, accidentally shoots and kills sister, 2 Reply #63 - May 4^th, 2013 at 11:49am Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 11:39am: Manufacturing weapons for children - is absolutely fking retarded. To say the least.
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Re: US boy, 5, accidentally shoots and kills sister, 2
Reply #64 - May 4^th, 2013 at 12:17pm

KJT1981 wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 8:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 7:47am:

KJT1981 wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 7:13am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 7:04am:

Well 4 year olds arent marketed to or allowed to drive

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Jesus, were you born this thick or did it happen later in life Miss Borg?

Head injury? Lack of oxygen to your brain when your mother tried to drown you at birth? Someone tie a plastic bag over your head?

Oh so you disagree? Car ads are targeted @ 4 year olds? a 4 year old can drive? Where is your evidence?

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Fair dinkum Miss Borg you are a complete tool.

If you dont have an argument then go away troll

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Reply #65 - May 4^th, 2013 at 12:30pm

Chard wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

And in almost every single case the failure point in gun safety was at the parents end. How smacking hard is it for you to understand that if you choose to store or operate a product in an unsafe manner, especially in ways the manufacturer is specifically warning you against, then it isn't the manufacturers fault that you are an idiot.

So no responsibility at all for manufacturers selling guns to idiots who they know full well won't be responsible?

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Which part of "Stephanie Sparks let a child play with a loaded rifle as if it were a toy and pissed off to do housework" are you not getting?

You completely miss my point. If, as I contend, 5 year olds have neither the physical or mental faculties to hand any guns, why is there a company marketing and selling a category of rifle specifically for children as young as 5? Why would parents buy such a rifle - if not to allow their children to do something they should never let them do?

You may as well be arguing that Cricketts should only market such a weapon if they are reasonably confident that no one will be stupid enough to actually buy it for its intended use. Tongue

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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: US boy, 5, accidentally shoots and kills sister, 2 Reply #66 - May 4^th, 2013 at 12:57pm Chard isn't worth bothering with. He thinks debating is about obscenity and obnoxious abuse.
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Reply #67 - May 4^th, 2013 at 1:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 12:30pm:

Chard wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

And in almost every single case the failure point in gun safety was at the parents end. How smacking hard is it for you to understand that if you choose to store or operate a product in an unsafe manner, especially in ways the manufacturer is specifically warning you against, then it isn't the manufacturers fault that you are an idiot.

So no responsibility at all for manufacturers selling guns to idiots who they know full well won't be responsible?

1. Demonstrate that Cricket somehow knows which one of their thousands of customers is an idiot and which are not.

2. Demonstrate under US law how a manufacturer is responsible for intentional missuse of their products despite clearly worded warnings.

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Which part of "Stephanie Sparks let a child play with a loaded rifle as if it were a toy and pissed off to do housework" are you not getting?

You completely miss my point. If, as I contend, 5 year olds have neither the physical or mental faculties to hand any guns, why is there a company marketing and selling a category of rifle specifically for children as young as 5? Why would parents buy such a rifle - if not to allow their children to do something they should never let them do?

As it turns out there are thousands of parents thay bought a Cricket or other uouth rifle and managed to do so in a safe manner. The point that you are missing is that Stephanie Sparks allowed her son to pkay with a loaded weapon bt himself. That's three different things the federally mandated warnings firearms manufacturers have to put on their products yell you specifically not to do.

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You may as well be arguing that Cricketts should only market such a weapon if they are reasonably confident that no one will be stupid enough to actually buy it for its intended use. Tongue

That's what the warning labels are for, dumbass. It's not the manufacturer's responsibilith to hold your hand and make sure you're not a complete retard.

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Chard Gold Member Offline Mein Führer! I can walk! Posts: 1077 Alabama, USA Gender:	Re: US boy, 5, accidentally shoots and kills sister, 2 Reply #68 - May 4^th, 2013 at 1:25pm Peter Freedman wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 12:57pm: Chard isn't worth bothering with. He thinks debating is about obscenity and obnoxious abuse. Pete, what did I tell you about being a passive-agressive bitch?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137833 Gender:	Re: US boy, 5, accidentally shoots and kills sister, 2 Reply #69 - May 4^th, 2013 at 2:54pm Peter Freedman wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 12:57pm: Chard isn't worth bothering with. He thinks debating is about obscenity and obnoxious abuse. If that were the case, he'd surely be the master debater.
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Re: US boy, 5, accidentally shoots and kills sister, 2
Reply #70 - May 4^th, 2013 at 2:57pm

Chard wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 1:24pm:

It's not the manufacturer's responsibility to hold your hand and make sure you're not a complete retard.

Correct. It's the manufacturer's responsibility to not make guns specifically for children.

The manufacturer failed spectacularly, as did the parents.

The responsibility for this begins with the manufacturer, and ends with the parents.

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Reply #72 - May 4^th, 2013 at 3:38pm

Chard wrote on May 3^rd, 2013 at 2:31am:

Freedriver, explain to me how this is anything other than a case of parental neglect. It's the gun's fault the people who were supposed to be supervising the five year old got lax and failed in their duty as parents.

Didn't you even bother to read the first line of his post?

"WTF are the yanks doing making guns specifically for children?"

How's the Cricket website going, by the way?

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Reply #73 - May 4^th, 2013 at 4:28pm

The parents failed in their duty by buying the gun in the first place. The retailer failed in his duty by selling the gun when he knew it was to be given to a child.

The advertising agency failed in its duty by advertising a lethal weapon as suitable for children. The manufacturer failed in his duty by making the damn thing.

And Chard is a failure all round.

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