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Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism?
Reply #210 - May 13^th, 2013 at 8:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 2:38pm:

Islam is.....what it's believers make it.

Most make it a religion of peace.

Some make it a religion of intolerance and Terrorism. You just blame them all.

Brian_Ross,

How can we come to agreement, if you constantly mis-represent the true circumstances, or the intent of those who declare themselves to be moslems ?

e.g.

How would you, yourself, define what the word >> peace << means ?

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Moslem clerics [and moslem community spokesmen] have declared to the non-moslem community, that moslems want to see 'peace' cover the whole earth.

But a moslem, does not openly reveal [at the same time] that all good moslems define 'peace', as submission to Allah's will.
Dar al-Islam = = "house of peace" [is those places where Sharia has authority].
Dar al-Harb = = "house of war".

Google,
Dar al-Harb deception
i.e.
A moslem 'peace' = = mankind's SLAVERY, under ISLAMIST political rule.

a good read, outlining and exposing ISLAMIST sophistry...

Islamic Dictionary for Infidels
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/07/islamic-dictionary-for-infidels.html

Dictionary;
sophistry = = the use of fallacious arguments, especially to deceive.

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Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism?
Reply #211 - May 13^th, 2013 at 8:38pm

Yadda wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 8:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 2:38pm:

Islam is.....what it's believers make it. Most make it a religion of peace. Some make it a religion of intolerance and Terrorism. You just blame them all. Roll Eyes

Brian_Ross,

How can we come to agreement, if you constantly mis-represent the true circumstances, or the intent of those who declare themselves to be moslems ?

I misrepresent nothing, Yadda. Your prejudices blind you to reality. Roll Eyes

You however appear to keep misquoting me. Stop it. Roll Eyes

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Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism?
Reply #212 - May 13^th, 2013 at 8:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 8:24pm:

Yadda wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 8:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 7:06pm:

Yadda wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 3:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 2:38pm:

Islam is.....what it's believers make it.

Most make it a religion of peace.

Some make it a religion of intolerance and Terrorism. You just blame them all.

Brian_Ross,

How can we come to agreement, if you constantly mis-represent the true circumstances ?

Yadda, if coming to agreement with you means that innocent people must be persecuted, we're never going to "come to agreement." I'm not sorry, either.

You are not the solution. You're just as much the problem as the bigots and intolerant Takfiri Islamists are... Roll Eyes

Brian_Ross,

Such bigotry is based on ignorance and prejudice, not rational thought or understanding.

You and your views are just as much the problem as the ISLAMISTS are.

As Vince Lombardi once remarked, "show me someone who settles for being second and I'll show you a loser!"

How's the Silver Medal, Yadda? Grin

You're not even original, merely parroting back what has already been said... Roll Eyes

I've know AI programs which can hold a more intelligent conversation than you. Grin

No.

I am just exposing the error in your reasoning.

"I am correct, because i hold that view. ...'He' is wrong, because his view does not align with my own view/opinion."

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You call me a bigot , because i criticise ISLAM.

But you will wilfully ignore and refuse to acknowledge the undeniable evidence of ISLAM's inherent bigotry towards 'disbelievers',
.......and ISLAM's inherently violent 'religious' doctrines,
.......and the religious bigotry perpetrated by moslems.

You refuse to intellectually confront truths, which do not coincide and align with your prejudiced worldview.

Dictionary;
prejudice = = preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience. unjust behaviour formed on such a basis.

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Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism?
Reply #213 - May 13^th, 2013 at 9:47pm

Yadda wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 8:46pm:

No.

I am just exposing the error in your reasoning.

By parroting back what I've said? Roll Eyes

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You call me a bigot , because i criticise ISLAM.

No, I've explained why I call you a bigot, Yadda. Please go back and reread. I will allow you to move your lips while you're reading it, if you desire. I will be marking you on your comprehension. Be glad I'm giving you a second chance. Normally I would fail a student like yourself who appears unable to grasp even the most simply concepts. Roll Eyes

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Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism?
Reply #214 - May 13^th, 2013 at 10:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 9:47pm:

Yadda wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 8:46pm:

No.

I am just exposing the error in your reasoning.

By parroting back what I've said? Roll Eyes

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You call me a bigot , because i criticise ISLAM.

No, I've explained why I call you a bigot, Yadda. Please go back and reread. I will allow you to move your lips while you're reading it, if you desire. I will be marking you on your comprehension. Be glad I'm giving you a second chance. Normally I would fail a student like yourself who appears unable to grasp even the most simply concepts. Roll Eyes

my response to your post, is here;
The duplicitous, AND DECEITFUL, moslem community w
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1368415496/12#12

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Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism?
Reply #215 - May 13^th, 2013 at 10:14pm

Yadda wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 10:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 9:47pm:

Yadda wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 8:46pm:

No.

I am just exposing the error in your reasoning.

By parroting back what I've said? Roll Eyes

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You call me a bigot , because i criticise ISLAM.

No, I've explained why I call you a bigot, Yadda. Please go back and reread. I will allow you to move your lips while you're reading it, if you desire. I will be marking you on your comprehension. Be glad I'm giving you a second chance. Normally I would fail a student like yourself who appears unable to grasp even the most simply concepts. Roll Eyes

my response to your post, is here;
The duplicitous, AND DECEITFUL, moslem community
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1368415496/12#12

Errr, then why make this post? Roll Eyes

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Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism?
Reply #216 - May 13^th, 2013 at 10:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 10:14pm:

Yadda wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 10:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 9:47pm:

Yadda wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 8:46pm:

No.

I am just exposing the error in your reasoning.

By parroting back what I've said? Roll Eyes

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You call me a bigot , because i criticise ISLAM.

No, I've explained why I call you a bigot, Yadda. Please go back and reread. I will allow you to move your lips while you're reading it, if you desire. I will be marking you on your comprehension. Be glad I'm giving you a second chance. Normally I would fail a student like yourself who appears unable to grasp even the most simply concepts. Roll Eyes

my response to your post, is here;
The duplicitous, AND DECEITFUL, moslem community
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1368415496/12#12

Errr, then why make this post?

To demonstrate the extent of your intellectual duplicity.

Dictionary;
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1 deceitfulness.
2 the quality of being double.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism? Reply #217 - May 13^th, 2013 at 11:47pm polite_gandalf wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 12:06pm: In short, where is the evidence that violence and extremism is institutionalised and manufactured within mainstream islam?
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Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism?
Reply #218 - May 13^th, 2013 at 11:49pm

In what way have I been "duplicitous", Yadda?

By pointing out your hatred of Islam and Muslims is based on prejudice and ignorance?

By pointing out that your hatred is properly called "bigotry"?

By pointing that you claim you're attacking a religion but in reality you're attacking the followers?

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Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism?
Reply #219 - May 13^th, 2013 at 11:59pm

Soren wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 11:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 12:06pm:

In short, where is the evidence that violence and extremism is institutionalised and manufactured within mainstream islam?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WQ9pmxIoidY/UYlAS7Gwx-I/AAAAAAAAL04/sF_XXyfFP1A/s1600/...

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism? Reply #220 - May 14^th, 2013 at 9:27pm Who was behind the King David bombing and why? I wonder who aerial bombed the USS liberty and why?
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Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism?
Reply #221 - May 14^th, 2013 at 10:48pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 9:44pm:

Attacking people because of their religious affiliations is bigotry, Soren.

I think this is a very stupid thing to say.

What you wanted to say but your nerves failed you was that attacking Muslims for believing in Islam is bigotry.
But putting it that way is not Emotionally Correct enough since we all know that Islam has some eyewatringly incredible claims ( as do all religions when seen from outside).

So you go and make a FAR TOO BIG a claim about every religion to be respected.
And that's just mindless, unthinking drivel, Brian. You are talking emotionally correct bollocks, Brian. Just shite.
Brian.

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Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism?
Reply #222 - May 14^th, 2013 at 11:16pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 13^th, 2013 at 4:02pm:

So what exactly is your point Soren? I don't think you have one - because you are not even remotely addressing my key points related to how mainstream islam doesn't condone these attacks, and is in fact working hard to prevent them.

My point is that despite all the 'mainstream Mulsim' hard work, nothing has changed.
Nothing. The 'mainstream Muslim' utterances count for fvckall.
Muslims are still massacring each other in Muslim majority countries and Muslms are still in conflict with everyone who is not a Muslim in countries where they are not in a majority.
'Mainstream Muslims' must be the most goddam ineffective human grouping in history.

If what they say is true, that is.

But their honesty is the million dollar question, after all. That's my point, based on the zero effect they have on the rest of the Muslims (for whom Mohammed's utterances in the Koran and the hadiths count for infinitely more than any 'moderate Muslim leader's unconvincing and unheeded gesticulations for reasonableness. Reasonableness is not in the Koran and the hadiths, not when it comes to those who do not follow Mohammed blindly).

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism? Reply #223 - May 14^th, 2013 at 11:43pm .....shhhhhhhhhh, remain quiet about who the REAL terrorists are shhhhhhhhhhhhh everybody knows but you're not allowed to talk about it shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism?
Reply #224 - May 14^th, 2013 at 11:44pm

Soren wrote on May 14^th, 2013 at 10:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 9:44pm:

Attacking people because of their religious affiliations is bigotry, Soren.

I think this is a very stupid thing to say.

What you wanted to say but your nerves failed you was that attacking Muslims for believing in Islam is bigotry.

Soren, stop trying to put words in my mouth (or at my fingertips). If you can't argue against what I actually do type, you've lost the plot. Roll Eyes

You're the one who keeps claiming, "...but I'm not attacking Muslims, I'm attacking Islam!" Yeah, sure... Roll Eyes

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