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Reply #300 - May 29^th, 2013 at 12:10am

polite_gandalf wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 12:00am:

Soren wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 11:18pm:

You are an apparatchik, a propaganda functionary of Islam, not a thinking individual

Thats your assumption - baseless as always.

Truth is you have no idea how much thinking I have done on islam, and what motivated me to become a muslim. See the problem here Soren is that you have created this rigid, unshakable reality that says muslims terrorising and using the quran to justify it = honest muslims, while muslims preaching peace and tolerance - and claiming a quranic basis = dishonest muslims. Thats the crux of it. The problem I, and I'm sure most other sensible and rational people, have with this is the fact that you take the side of the minority - and using the fact that the majority professes the opposite view of the quran - merely as proof that muslims are inherently dishonest. However to a rational person, it would seem far more sensible to simply say that its more likely that the majority are being honest, and what they say about the quran is more likely to be truer than what the minority extremists are saying.

It's not about you, however much that may pain you, pal. You subscribe to something that others are witnessing to be a murderous ideology. The monsters who kill in its name back up their deeds with chapter and verse of unalterable Koranic perfection.

You are just kvetching about your feelings and personal torment. Big deal to you but otherwise irrelevant.

It's not about you, Gandy, it's about Islam.

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Reply #301 - May 29^th, 2013 at 7:54am

Soren wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 12:10am:

It's not about you, however much that may pain you, pal

Likewise.

You subscribe to something that others are witnessing to be a peaceful religion. The majority adherents back up their peaceful/tolerant deeds with chapter and verse of unalterable Koranic perfection.

You see how this works Soren?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #302 - May 31^st, 2013 at 3:42pm

The big issue is WHEN, are muslims who claim to be innocent, going to do something about it?

The world has muslims who commit human right atrocities in a state of elated stupor, because they have an unalterable and perfect qur'an commanding them to commit these atrocities.

The world has muslims hiding from this issue by claiming that they don't do it, because the qur'an also tells them not to.

When are muslims and their apologists going to tell the truth? Face up to the fact that islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an are 100% responsible for atrocities committed by muslims.

Until muslims and their apologists stand up and be counted, condemn and castigate the obvious malevolency sprouted by islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an, they are guilty of embracing and endorsing islamic human rights atrocities and the doctrine which causes them.

muslims and the apologists can run and hide from this issue all they like, the fact is, the killing will never stop until muslims do something about the degenerate, barbaric, evil in their perfect and unchangeable cult.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism? Reply #303 - May 31^st, 2013 at 7:49pm moses wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 3:42pm: The big issue is WHEN, are muslims who claim to be innocent, going to do something about it? Who says they aren't, Moses?
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Reply #304 - May 31^st, 2013 at 8:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 7:49pm:

moses wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 3:42pm:

The big issue is WHEN, are muslims who claim to be innocent, going to do something about it?

Who says they aren't,

Moses?

First scenario, a scenario where moslems are 'defending ISLAM'.....

In Sudan, a non-moslem teacher innocently names a child's toy, a teddy bear, Mohammed, in Sudan moslems insist the offender must be beheaded for 'insulting' Mohammed/ISLAM.
NOT A PEEP OF PROTEST, FROM 'MAINSTREAM' MOSLEMS IN WESTERN NATIONS.

In Beslan, Russia, moslems take hostage, rape, and murder, innocent, non-moslem children in an act of ISLAMIC 'revenge', or Jihad
NOT A PEEP OF PROTEST, FROM 'MAINSTREAM' MOSLEMS IN WESTERN NATIONS - in protest against the murder of innocent non-moslem children.

A non-moslem satirises Mohammed in a short film, moslems around the world erupt in outrage, threatening to murder those who have insulted their prophet - in the protests innocent non-moslems are murdered.
NOT A PEEP OF PROTEST, FROM 'MAINSTREAM' MOSLEMS IN WESTERN NATIONS - in protest against the murder of innocent non-moslems.iA different scenario, but a scenario where moslems are still 'defending ISLAM'.....

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Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.

AND THE RESPONSE TO SUCH A STREET PROTEST [i.e. moslems inciting the murder of non-moslems] - IS THAT THE 'MAINSTREAM' MOSLEM COMMUNITY, IN WESTERN NATIONS 'COME OUT' - AND OPENLY CRITICISE THE NON-MOSLEM COMMUNITY AND MEDIA FOR ASSOCIATING ISLAM WITH THE MOSLEM PROTESTERS !!

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London, moslem street protests.

THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

AND THE RESPONSE TO SUCH A STREET PROTEST [i.e. moslems inciting the murder of non-moslems] - IS THAT THE 'MAINSTREAM' MOSLEM COMMUNITY, IN WESTERN NATIONS 'COME OUT' - AND OPENLY CRITICISE THE NON-MOSLEM COMMUNITY AND MEDIA FOR ASSOCIATING ISLAM WITH THE MOSLEM PROTESTERS !!iAnd 'mainstream' moslems on internet forums, then castigate non-moslems for criticising ISLAM and for criticising the violent beahviour of moslems.

SUGGESTION, TO 'MAINSTREAM' MOSLEMS;
Instead of 'mainstream' moslems criticising non-moslems [on internet forums] for 'misrepresenting' ISLAM/moslems,
why don't the 'mainstream' moslems PREVENT people, moslems [people who portray themselves as moslems], from bringing ISLAM's good name into disrepute ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism?
Reply #305 - May 31^st, 2013 at 8:32pm

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Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.

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London, moslem street protests.

THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

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A SERIOUS QUESTION;

Where are the fatwas from 'mainstream' moslems, which call for real moslems to behead those placard protesters, for the serious crimes of,
1/ misrepresenting moslems everywhere, and,
2/ trashing ISLAM's good name ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism?
Reply #306 - May 31^st, 2013 at 11:50pm

Yadda wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 7:49pm:

[quote author=moses link=1367633212/302#302 date=1369978922]The big issue is WHEN, are muslims who claim to be innocent, going to do something about it?

Who says they aren't, Moses? Roll Eyes

Yadda, considering that more Muslims have been killed by Muslim extremists than Westerners ever have, I'd suggest that Muslims are very much resisting the efforts of the extremists to take over their religion.

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Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism?
Reply #307 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 8:52am

Yadda wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:32pm:

A SERIOUS QUESTION;

Where are the fatwas from 'mainstream' moslems, which call for real moslems to behead those placard protesters, for the serious crimes of,
1/ misrepresenting moslems everywhere, and,
2/ trashing ISLAM's good name ?

Yadda "real" muslims don't do beheadings and other violent reprisals. Thats why we're better than them. The fact that the beheaders do not predominate in the muslim world is testament that the "real" moderate muslims are prevailing.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism? Reply #308 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 9:42am polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 8:52am: The fact that the beheaders do not predominate in the muslim world is testament that the "real" moderate muslims are prevailing. But the headhackers have impeccable Koranic authority behind them.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism? Reply #309 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:02am Soren wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 9:42am: But the headhackers have impeccable Koranic authority behind them. give me one single mention of "headhacking" in the quran.
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Reply #310 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 5:06pm

And there we have it in a nutshell:

multiple posts from a muslim and the groveling apologist, both refusing to condemn the filth, and perversion contained in islam, which is the root cause of muslims committing human rights atrocities.

The muslim and the apologist simply don't care how many innocent men, women and children are slaughtered by psychotic muslims, they know the slaughter is the sacred duty of muslims. Urged, condoned, excused and fully supported by the perfect, unalterable, evil qur'an

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Reply #311 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 7:18pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 8:52am:

Yadda wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:32pm:

A SERIOUS QUESTION;

Where are the fatwas from 'mainstream' moslems, which call for real moslems to behead those placard protesters, for the serious crimes of,
1/ misrepresenting moslems everywhere, and,
2/ trashing ISLAM's good name ?

Yadda "real" muslims don't do beheadings and other violent reprisals. Thats why we're better than them.

The fact that the beheaders do not predominate in the muslim world is testament that the "real" moderate muslims are prevailing.

No, it is not.

The fact that the 'beheaders' are being 'accommodated' throughout the "real" moderate moslem community, is proof that [supposed] "real" moderate moslems, DO NOT oppose extremism within their own ranks.

The fact is, that the beheaders are being 'accommodated' [in the widest sense of that term!] within the "real" moderate moslem community - both in Australia and in the UK.

Prove my claim ?

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Why weren't those 'beheaders' [from the Sydney protests] denounced

by the Sydney moslem community - as not being [real] moslems, and as not being accepted by the Sydney moslem community, as [real] moslems ???

The only thing that occurred subsequent to the street protests, was that the Sydney moslem community used weasel words - that made it sound [to non-moslems] like they were denouncing the protesters - but could have been interpreted BY ANY MOSLEM to have been criticism of police aggression against the moslem street protesters.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1367379581/0#0
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1367379581/28#28
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THESE [below] ARE THE WORDS THAT WERE BROADCAST ON NATIONAL TV IN AUSTRALIA [AFTER MOSLEM PROTESTERS CARRIED PLACARDS IN THE SYDNEY CBD, CALLING FOR THE BEHEADING OF THOSE THAT OFFEND MOSLEMS/INSULT ISLAM];

"It is an 'image' that we condemn. Unequivocally. We are very stressed to see such images."

<----- I do not know how that video report was edited by Channel 7, but in those words [presented in the Channel 7 video report], the spokesman for the Sydney moslem community could have been referring to >> the police << behaviour, in 'confronting' moslems, on the streets of Sydney.

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London, moslem street protests.
Moslems demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion', to kill people who 'insult' their religion,
.....BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT MOSLEMS BELIEVE.

THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

Moslems = = religious bigots.

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260i

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Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.
Moslems demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion', to kill people who 'insult' their religion,
.....BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT MOSLEMS BELIEVE.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism?
Reply #312 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 7:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 10:02am:

Soren wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 9:42am:

But the headhackers have impeccable Koranic authority behind them.

give me one single mention of "headhacking" in the quran.

Don't pretend to be an incomprending smacking moron when you are not, really.
Are you?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism? Reply #313 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 7:45pm I'm serious Soren - there is no mention of beheading in the quran.
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Reply #314 - Jun 1^st, 2013 at 8:55pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 7:45pm:

I'm serious Soren - there is no mention of beheading in the quran.

Google;
muhammad execution, prisoners, beheadings

Google;
muhammad, Banu Qurayza, prisoners, beheadings

Killing by Beheading is Islamic!
By Syed Kamran Mirza
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/SKM40715.htm
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Big question-‘is the beheading Islamic?’

Yes, beheading is, of course, an Islamic justice to the infidels, criminals, and sinners. This cruel way of killing infidels is sanctioned by Islamic Sharia laws.......

Saddest thing is no Islamists will ever tell you the truth about the intimate relation of beheading in Islam! Following the recent beheadings of Americans and other foreigners in Iraq and Saudi Arabia, the U.S. press turned to various experts to identify a precedent in the Quran or Islamic history for this kind of gory murder. Look what were the answers by some erudite but hypocritical Mullahs! Imam Muhammad Adam El-Sheik, co-founder and chief cleric at the Dar Al Hijrah Mosque at falls Church, VA told to the USA today: “Beheadings are not mentioned in the Koran at all". Yvonne Haddad, a professor at the Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University has agreed with the above Imam and added (to New York Newsday): "There is absolutely nothing in Islam that justifies cutting off a person's head.”

You go ask any Imam or mullah in the US, you will come up with the same lies again and again.

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Quranic verses that dictate beheading Kaffirs:

5:33-“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution (by beheading), or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;”

8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.”

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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