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Reply #345 - Jun 4^th, 2013 at 8:33pm

It just that muslims were so dumb that they had to be told to go for the unprotected neck in battle. (strictly when they are being attacked )

Well we know the answer to that don't we?

muslims were picked up and transported magically to lands far away, where the inhabitants of said far away lands were attacking the hapless muslims. (muslims never invaded anyone, we know this is true, because muslims swear by all that is holy to muhammad, you know lying, thieving, pedophilia, raping, torture and mass murder)

So the book of evil tells us two things:

1/.muslims were incredibly stupid people.

2/.Surrounding countries used magic carpets to transport muslims into their lands where they could attack the muslims.

Or

The book of evil (qur'an) is simply as we all know, a handbook for commiting atrocities against your fellow man.

Today we have muslims desperately trying to alter meanings, trying to prove that islam is somehow a deeply spiritual belief, not a book of unparalleled barbarity, responsible for the myriad of inhumanities committed by muslims as they follow islam to the very letter.

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Reply #346 - Jun 4^th, 2013 at 9:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2013 at 2:25pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2013 at 1:04pm:

smite their necks (47:4, 8:12) - what the hell does that mean, do you think? In an age when the sword was the main weapon, hitting someone on the neck with a sword means - what exactly?

In battle. Now tell me genius, in the midst of a battle, how practical is it to go around cutting the enemies head off? Soldiers in Muhammad's time wore armour on their body and head. The neck is one the most vulnerable part of the body. So of course when these muslims go into battle (strictly only when they are being attacked, as per the quran), its understood that to kill your enemy, the best way is to go for the neck.

This verse is *NOT* as you so dishonestly imply, the license extremists need to randomly pick non-muslims off the street and lob their heads off.

ANd who the hell are you to decide that it is *NOT*, genius? It most certainly authorised that bastard in London and he was quoting chapter and verse from the Koran, no less.

Listen to Anjem Choudary: Lee Rigby will burn in hellfire. But Michael is a nice man .

Why should you be believed and not Anjem Choudary and Michael Adebolajo when it comes to Islam?

As there is no supreme arbiter in Islam, this interpretation of the Koran is as good as yours. Even better, actually, because you have no ground to dispute his interpretation. Muslims are in perpetual war with non-Musims - you know, House of Islam, House of War and anyway, your interpretation is based on nothing better than, er...., your interpretation.

And Adebolajo acted according to his understanding (and Anjem's and thousands of British Muslims' and hundreds of millions of other Muslims' around the world) of the Koran and murdered a man because of Islam. Now if you think he and all the other murderers in the name of Islam are misinterpreting the Koran, you'd better stop wasting your time kvetching to me, a mere kuffar, and get onto those brothers of yours in Islam and let them know that they are gravely misreading the book and stop them.

But of course thy would tell you how wrong you are. So you might have to dob them in to the police. You might have to start a movement of otracising them from your community. You might have to start to actually stand up to some Muslims publicly, and side with non-Muslims.

I'd like to see that.

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Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism?
Reply #347 - Jun 4^th, 2013 at 9:23pm

Soren wrote on Jun 4^th, 2013 at 9:10pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2013 at 2:25pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2013 at 1:04pm:

smite their necks (47:4, 8:12) - what the hell does that mean, do you think? In an age when the sword was the main weapon, hitting someone on the neck with a sword means - what exactly?

In battle. Now tell me genius, in the midst of a battle, how practical is it to go around cutting the enemies head off? Soldiers in Muhammad's time wore armour on their body and head. The neck is one the most vulnerable part of the body. So of course when these muslims go into battle (strictly only when they are being attacked, as per the quran), its understood that to kill your enemy, the best way is to go for the neck.

This verse is *NOT* as you so dishonestly imply, the license extremists need to randomly pick non-muslims off the street and lob their heads off.

ANd who the hell are you to decide that it is *NOT*, genius? It most certainly authorised that bastard in London and he was quoting chapter and verse from the Koran, no less.

Listen to Anjem Choudary: Lee Rigby will burn in hellfire. But Michael is a nice .

Why should you be believed and not Anjem Choudary and Michael Adebolajo when it comes to Islam?

As there is no supreme arbiter in Islam, this interpretation of the Koran is as good as yours. Even better, actually, because you have no ground to dispute his interpretation. Muslims are in perpetual war with non-Musims - you know, House of Islam, House of War and anyway, your interpretation is based on nothing better than, er...., your interpretation.

And Adebolajo acted according to his understanding (and Anjem's and thousands of British Muslims' and hundreds of millions of other Muslims' around the world) of the Koran and murdered a man because of Islam. Now if you think he and all the other murderers in the name of Islam are misinterpreting the Koran, you'd better stop wasting your time kvetching to me, a mere kuffar, and get onto those brothers of yours in Islam and let them know that they are gravely misreading the book and stop them.

But of course thy would tell you how wrong you are. So you might have to dob them in to the police. You might have to start a movement of otracising them from your community. You might have to start to actually stand up to some Muslims publicly, and side with non-Muslims.

I'd like to see that.

Soren,

Gandalf cannot do that.

VERBOTTEN!!!! .....100 x VERBOTTEN.

It would be un-ISLAMIC, AND it would be proof of Gandalf's apostasy,

to side with infidels, and to criticise any moslem.

009.071
YUSUFALI: The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. On them will Allah pour His mercy: for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise.
PICKTHAL: And the believers, men and women, are protecting friends one of another; they enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and they establish worship and they pay the poor-due, and they obey Allah and His messenger. As for these, Allah will have mercy on them. Lo! Allah is Mighty, Wise.
SHAKIR: And (as for) the believing men and the believing women, they are guardians of each other; they enjoin good and forbid evil and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Messenger; (as for) these, Allah will show mercy to them; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise. i

Just as Anjem declares - truthfully;

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21612 A cat with a view	Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism? Reply #349 - Jun 4^th, 2013 at 9:33pm Soren wrote on Jun 4^th, 2013 at 9:26pm: I know. That's why we haven't seen it from Gandy or anyone else who is not an apostate. We need to see more of such knowledge [understanding], among all of you despicable infidels!
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Re: Evidence mainstream islam facilitates radicalism?
Reply #350 - Jun 4^th, 2013 at 9:57pm

Soren wrote on Jun 4^th, 2013 at 9:26pm:

I know.

That's why we haven't seen it from Gandy or anyone else who is not an apostate.

And being in possession of such knowledge [awareness/understanding], such knowledge must also inform you about the 'nature' and the credibility of statements being presented to us [infidels], like this one;

the threats posed by Islam
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1368872008/15#15
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"For what its worth, I believe I contribute positively to my local (non muslim) community, through my every day behaviour and activities. I believe that the vast majority of muslims in Australia are doing similar things in their local communities - coexisting, contributing to the local community, and presenting the right face of islam. IMO these local behaviours all over the country feed into the national face of islam, which helps create a mainstream Australian muslim community that is loyal, integrated, pro-peace and anti-extremism."

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "

bukhari/ #004.052.269

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #351 - Jun 4^th, 2013 at 10:15pm

Well done guys - just like I've said all along:

when Amjen Choudray or some other muppet who represents a minority of extremists says something extremist, they are honest muslims expressing the gospel truth of islam. But when someone representing the majority view of islam says something, they are deceivers, deliberately distorting the message quran/hadith.

Yup makes much more sense than just saying, you know, the majority view is the majority view because its closer to the truth.

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Reply #352 - Jun 4^th, 2013 at 10:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 4^th, 2013 at 10:15pm:

Well done guys - just like I've said all along:

when Amjen Choudray or some other muppet who represents a minority of extremists says something extremist, they are honest muslims expressing the gospel truth of islam.

But when someone representing the majority view of islam

says something, they are deceivers, deliberately distorting the message quran/hadith.

Yup makes much more sense than just saying, you know, the majority view is the majority view because its closer to the truth.

No.

It is YOU who are intentionally misrepresenting ISLAM, imo - to infidels who you count as uninformed and naive.

You claim that you are, "someone representing the majority view of islam".

That claim is a blatant lie.

Your claim defies reason.

All we need do, is to examine the contents of the Koran and the Hadith.

gandalf,

The fact is that you, as an individual, have absolutely no authority to declare what "the majority view of islam" is.

The fact is that 'mainstream' ISLAM is defined in the content of the foundation texts of ISLAM - - not by you, nor by any other group of individuals.

Anjen Choudray in his interviews, in the main, presents ISLAM truthfully, as that philosophy that is contained in, and defined by, the Koran and the Hadith.

And, the philosophy that is declared in the Koran and the Hadith, declares never ending warfare against all 'disbelievers'.i

THESE SAMPLE KORAN VERSES ARE A WITNESS AGAINST GANDALF'S LIES.

THESE SAMPLE VERSES ARE FROM ISLAM'S PRIMARY THEOLOGICAL TEXT ---->

These are ISLAMIC 'religious' texts which either,
1/ call for violence against non-moslems,
OR,
2/ directly incite moslem distrust and hatred of non-moslems.

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:"
Koran 003.028

"O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?"
Koran 004.144

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #353 - Jun 4^th, 2013 at 11:02pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 4^th, 2013 at 10:15pm:

Yup makes much more sense than just saying, you know, the majority view is the majority view because its closer to the truth.

Just because a majority [of a population] make a claim [any claim] about something, the fact that they represent a majority view, does not confirm the truth of the matter under claim.

One person can be correct [about something], and 9 people can be mistaken/incorrect.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #355 - Jun 4^th, 2013 at 11:17pm

Quote:

You claim that you are, "someone representing the majority view of islam".

That claim is a blatant lie.

Your claim defies reason.

All we need do, is to examine the contents of the Koran and the Hadith.

Majority view of islam = what the majority of muslims believe.

Majority of muslims do not believe its ok to pick out random non-muslims and slaughter them in the street.

Yadda wrote on Jun 4^th, 2013 at 11:02pm:

Just because a majority [of a population] make a claim [any claim] about something, the fact that they represent a majority view, does not confirm the truth of the matter under claim.

One person can be correct [about something], and 9 people can be mistaken/incorrect.

Common sense dictates that the 9 people are more likely to be correct than the 1 person who disagrees with them.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #356 - Jun 4^th, 2013 at 11:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 4^th, 2013 at 11:17pm:

Quote:

You claim that you are, "someone representing the majority view of islam".

That claim is a blatant lie.

Your claim defies reason.

All we need do, is to examine the contents of the Koran and the Hadith.

Majority view of islam = what the majority of muslims believe.

Majority of muslims do not believe its ok to pick out random non-muslims and slaughter them in the street.

Yadda wrote on Jun 4^th, 2013 at 11:02pm:

Just because a majority [of a population] make a claim [any claim] about something, the fact that they represent a majority view, does not confirm the truth of the matter under claim.

One person can be correct [about something], and 9 people can be mistaken/incorrect.

Common sense dictates that the 9 people are more likely to be correct than the 1 person who disagrees with them.

But for NEW truths to be uncovered, its the 1 in 1 million people that you need to consult

A little bit like Aristarchus in about 400 BC, when he had the sun at the centre of the solar system and the planets orbiting around the sun.

Common sense says that everything revolves around the earth - right?

Plenty of other examples - look in your history books!

Your little pathetic ratio of 1/10 is looking more and more insanely deranged as time goes by.

You may well be one of the 9 yourself you freak clown puppet sloth

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Reply #357 - Jun 5^th, 2013 at 12:23am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2013 at 2:25pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2013 at 1:04pm:

smite their necks (47:4, 8:12) - what the hell does that mean, do you think? In an age when the sword was the main weapon, hitting someone on the neck with a sword means - what exactly?

In battle. Now tell me genius, in the midst of a battle, how practical is it to go around cutting the enemies head off? Soldiers in Muhammad's time wore armour on their body and head. The neck is one the most vulnerable part of the body. So of course when these muslims go into battle (strictly only when they are being attacked, as per the quran), its understood that to kill your enemy, the best way is to go for the neck.

This verse is *NOT* as you so dishonestly imply, the license extremists need to randomly pick non-muslims off the street and lob their heads off.

I am sick of muslims telling lies I suffer from them doing so I suffer from islamonausea.

To prove it I mention ORANTO, the newest martyr's, but why not mention the 80 million to 5 hundred million Hindus turned into excrement by smacking islam

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Reply #359 - Jun 5^th, 2013 at 10:26am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 4^th, 2013 at 10:15pm:

Well done guys - just like I've said all along:

when Amjen Choudray or some other muppet who represents a minority of extremists says something extremist, they are honest muslims expressing the gospel truth of islam. But when someone representing the majority view of islam says something, they are deceivers, deliberately distorting the message quran/hadith.

Yup makes much more sense than just saying, you know, the majority view is the majority view because its closer to the truth.

The point, Gandy, is that the headhackers are their enablers and endorsers quote from the Koran and explain their actions with iron logic and on the grounds of uncompromising and impeccable Islamic authority.

You, on the other hand, don't. Your only argument is, really, that not all Muslims act as the Koran says they should and as the headhackers always do. You are the weak horses of Islam, the headhackers are the consistent, Koranically authorised, strong horses of Islam.
That's why they are setting the Islamic agenda and not you and that's why you argue with me and not them.

That's the point.

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