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What if the 'expanding universe' is a fatally flaw
May 6^th, 2013 at 10:30am

What if the 'expanding universe' is a fatally flawed theory ?

This YT presentation is an expose' of the failings [i.e. corruption] of man's elite institutions and organisation(s), in the fields of science and education.

Universe - Episode 1 - The Cosmology Quest - The Electric Universe and Plasma Physics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmotCQCxQEI

Universe - Episode 2 - The Cosmology Quest - The Electric Universe and Plasma Physics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-2uvQ_MJz8

'Cosmology' - is the term used by secular mankind to refer to the ['non-religious'] theories which explain the colloquial, 'life, the universe, and everything' - the HHGTTG '42' paradigm.

The problem is that [because of the practical and real limits of man's comprehension of his circumstances] cosmology is as much an art, as a science.

i.e.
Cosmology as a known 'fact', relies as much upon supposition and theories, as much as it does upon observation.

But despite this, a good understanding of our 'circumstances' gained through basic observation, and then reasoned conclusion, should still be achievable by mankind, i believe.

Except that a further problem [which is a limiting factor to man's access to 'pure' knowledge] is that man is both a corrupted creature, and a corrupting creature, at his very core.

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In 'the real world', the system of the 'education' of man [in this instance, in the field of cosmology], can become corrupted when a specialised 'academia' [i.e. a collection of self-absorbed, and often self-interested, 'experts'] chooses at a point in time [for 'purely' self-interested reasons], to ignore and deny the implication(s) of new observed facts.

[In the field of education, could a specialised 'academia' be called a form of 'priesthood' ?]

This refusal by a specialised 'academia' to [even!] acknowledge [the] new observable facts [AND, the implication(s) upon our knowledge!], is almost always effected in an effort to protect the prestige of an individual or the prestige of an academic institution [which is promulgating a contrary, and widely accepted view or opinion].

In such circumstances, 'education' has become not a path to knowledge, but has become a convenient path to a bucket of money/power/prestige for a group of flawed individuals.

Motives intervene, to corrupt purpose.

Through the corruption of its own processes of examining evidence and new facts, a specialised 'academia' ceases to be a body of men [and women] dedicated to seeking knowledge [for mankind] - but [like so many 'churches'] become simply a corrupt body of men [and women] serving their own interests.

And what can happen is that if new facts are observed, which challenge an established 'important' hypothesis, many 'academics' will simply pretend that the new facts do not exist.

MORE....

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Re: What if the 'expanding universe' is a fatally flaw
Reply #1 - May 6^th, 2013 at 10:33am

CONTINUED FROM LAST POST....

below are arguments and references to appropriate positions in the YT presentation....

In this YT presentation the validity of the concept [hypothesis] of 'red-shift' is challenged because of observed inconsistencies when 'red-shift' is applied to observed objects.
[The 'red-shift' theory is a concept which itself is used by theorists as 'confirmation' of an expanding universe, and a 'Big Bang' universe theories.]

YT...
Red-shift [i.e. an expanding universe] #1 - 4m 45s #1 - 5m 35s

YT...
The problem is that the observed properties of Quasars challenge the widely accepted theory of an 'expanding universe'. #1 - 6m 0s

YT...
If observed facts concerning Quasars are considered in their context, "then there is no need for an expanding universe, and the 'Big Bang' never happened." #1 - 8m 25s

Peculiar galaxy NGC 7603
YT...
"The astonishing thing, and the controversial matter, is that this galaxy has a much higher 'Red-shift' than [...its connected, 'companion' bodies]." #1 - 21m 30s

YT...
Observable contradictions which challenge widely accepted cosmological theories are being ignored #2 - 38m 50s

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All proponents of a new scientific or cosmological hypothesis know that they must often develop 'new ways of thinking', to overcome the logical challenges to their hypothesis, that may emerge from among their peers.

e.g.
The 'Big Bang' theorists [as a totally theoretical means to maintain the 'scientific' validity of the 'Big Bang' theory], have postulated the existence of a vast amount of unseen 'Dark matter'.

i.e.
The [theoretical] existence of a vast amount of unseen [and undetectable!] 'Dark matter', has helped to 'adjust' those very calculations[n.b. theoretical calculations], which are used by 'Big Bang' theorists to 'maintain' the validity of the 'Big Bang' theory.
[LOL - Wow!!! - couldn't some of these theoretical physicists and cosmologists get jobs developing 'derivative instruments' for international bankers, ready for the next GFC ???]
Theoretical physicists call this mechanism used to 'adjustment' their theoretical calculations, 'the fudge factor'.
YT...#2 - 37m 30s

But in postulating the existence of 'Dark matter' [to solve one theoretical problem!], in itself creates implications [another serious theoretical problem!] about the age of universe [a problem], which the 'Big Bang' proponents have conventiently set aside [i.e. chosen to ignore].
YT...#2 - 39m 08s

THE 'METHODOLOGY' OF THE PROPONENTS OF THE BIG BANG THEORY, HAS REVERTED TO ELITISM;
i.e.
The knowledge understood by the ['Big Bang' theorist] 'priesthood' is too complicated for 'simple folk' to understand.

Those who argue that the 'Big Bang' theory is still valid, have postulated that the calculations need to understand the 'Big Bang' theory [however 'fabricated' they may have become!] are too complicated for non-experts [non-academics] to understand.
And the fact that some persons cannot comprehend that the 'Big Bang' theory is correct, simply proves that those persons do not possess the intellectual capacity to understand the theory.
YT...#2 - 42m 18s

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 107030 Melbourne Gender:	Re: What if the 'expanding universe' is a fatally flaw Reply #2 - May 6^th, 2013 at 1:18pm Quote: many 'academics' will simply pretend that the new facts do not exist. As opposed to scientists who are always interested in new theories.
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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: What if the 'expanding universe' is a fatally flaw Reply #3 - May 6^th, 2013 at 6:32pm yes good intel the cosmos is electric through a string in conduit linking up all stars to central suns and uni versi in electro-magnificance and so it is be at peace namaste - : )
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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: What if the 'expanding universe' is a fatally flaw Reply #4 - May 6^th, 2013 at 7:09pm The amazing and expanding universe is the one we live in. It's no more a theory than you are. It's an observed phenomenon.
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Re: What if the 'expanding universe' is a fatally flaw
Reply #5 - May 6^th, 2013 at 9:46pm

it_is_the_light wrote on May 6^th, 2013 at 6:32pm:

yes good intel

the cosmos is electric through

a string in conduit linking up all stars

to central suns and uni versi

in electro-magnificance

and so it is

be at peace

namaste

- : )

...you cannot shield your soul with poetry

eventually you must venture out into the sunlight

there you must kneel

kneel

and

pray

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: What if the 'expanding universe' is a fatally flaw Reply #6 - May 6^th, 2013 at 9:47pm Grey wrote on May 6^th, 2013 at 7:09pm: The amazing and expanding universe is the one we live in. It's no more a theory than you are. It's an observed phenomenon. Quantum Mechanics will challenge your "observed phenomenon" claim
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Re: What if the 'expanding universe' is a fatally flaw
Reply #7 - May 6^th, 2013 at 10:04pm

Grey wrote on May 6^th, 2013 at 7:09pm:

The amazing and expanding universe is the one we live in. It's no more a theory than you are.

grey,

No.

That the universe is expanding is merely a presumption, by many men.

Nothing more.

Quote:

[the universe that we exist in, is] an observed phenomenon.

grey,

Yes, it is.

But does that guarantee that we always correctly comprehend, that which we observe ?

e.g.
Are you suggesting that our perceptions are usually/always correct ?

I don't think so.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: What if the 'expanding universe' is a fatally flaw Reply #8 - May 6^th, 2013 at 10:48pm Where does the "fatally" aspect come in? It's all about understanding. There are no actions that are taken upon the reliance of an expanding universe. Nobody is thrown into volcanoes or forced to act upon the belief of a magical man. It's just a learning process. ...isn't it?
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Re: What if the 'expanding universe' is a fatally flaw
Reply #9 - May 6^th, 2013 at 10:55pm

Amadd wrote on May 6^th, 2013 at 10:48pm:

Where does the "fatally" aspect come in?

It's all about understanding. There are no actions that are taken upon the reliance of an expanding universe.

Nobody is thrown into volcanoes or forced to act upon the belief of a magical man. It's just a learning process. ...isn't it?

One can learn about lies, as efficiently as one can learn about truth

One can live a life of racist bigotry or one can live a life of compassion and love

And we all know who does the latter - don't we ladies and gentlemen

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: What if the 'expanding universe' is a fatally flaw Reply #10 - May 6^th, 2013 at 11:41pm Answering questions with another question doesn't generate understanding. It's a fact that science has no pre-requisite for a particular action whereas religion does. See it as you will.
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Reply #11 - May 6^th, 2013 at 11:57pm

Amadd wrote on May 6^th, 2013 at 11:41pm:

Answering questions with another question doesn't generate understanding.

It's a fact that science has no pre-requisite for a particular action whereas religion does.

See it as you will.

are you certain?

Science is essentially a fundamentalist fanatical religious cult

Science is the Ultimate Religious faith

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: What if the 'expanding universe' is a fatally flaw Reply #12 - May 7^th, 2013 at 12:23am C'mon. That's rubbish. Science has been employed to achieve greater than any religion could've dreamed from their Gods. But they choose to use the science they abused in an attempt to further their own cause...whatever that may be.
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Re: What if the 'expanding universe' is a fatally flaw
Reply #13 - May 7^th, 2013 at 7:37am

it_is_the_light wrote on May 6^th, 2013 at 6:32pm:

yes good intel

the cosmos is electric through

a string in conduit linking up all stars

to central suns and uni versi

in electro-magnificance

and so it is

be at peace

namaste

- : )

light,

There is still so much to learn.

It is sometimes an exhilarating [and pleasing] journey.

Be at peace

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Re: What if the 'expanding universe' is a fatally flaw
Reply #14 - May 7^th, 2013 at 7:44am

Amadd wrote on May 6^th, 2013 at 10:48pm:

Where does the "fatally" aspect come in?

It's all about understanding. There are no actions that are taken upon the reliance of an expanding universe.

Nobody is thrown into volcanoes or forced to act upon the belief of a magical man. It's just a learning process. ...isn't it?

Amadd,

Every mistake [miscalculation, mis-comprehension] we make, can potentially be a fatal mistake.

If that is not true.....

.....then all mistakes are safe, for us to make.

But i believe that every single mistake that we make, can potentially be a fatal mistake.

I'm a worrier. Tongue

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