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May 7th, 2013 at 2:55pm
 
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Alleged neo-Nazi ringleader on trial in Germany

A woman accused of being at the heart of a cell of neo-Nazi killers has gone on trial in a case that has shocked and shamed Germany.

Beate Zschaepe, 38, a founding member and sole survivor of the far-right gang dubbed the National Socialist Underground (NSU), is charged with complicity in the murders of eight ethnic Turks, a Greek immigrant and a German policewoman between 2000 and 2007.

The random discovery of the gang in late 2011 embarrassed authorities, exposing deep security flaws and raising uncomfortable questions about how it went undetected for 13 years in a country proud of owning up to its Nazi past.

Dubbed the "Nazi moll" by media, Zschaepe is also accused of involvement in 15 armed robberies, arson and attempted murder in two bomb attacks.

Hundreds of black balloons filled the sky over the courthouse and dozens of anti-racism protesters shouted slogans and held large black-and-white photos of the 10 victims as Zschaepe entered the heavily guarded Munich courtroom, appearing relaxed with her arms folded.

She denies the charges.

Four men joined Zschaepe in the dock on charges of supporting the NSU.
Audio: Neo-Nazi on trial over killings (AM)

The trial was adjourned until May 14 over a defence complaint about the judge.

Germans were stunned to learn in November 2011 that foreign criminal gangs were not behind the unsolved murders, as long suspected by police and the media, but rather home-grown racist killers.

The case only came to light after Zschaepe's alleged accomplices, Uwe Mundlos and Uwe Boehnhardt, were found shot dead in an apparent murder-suicide.
Pink Panther cartoon used by neo-Nazi group. Photo: The National Socialist Underground released a Pink Panther cartoon claiming responsibility for racist murders (Supplied)

Zschaepe then allegedly blew up their shared home in eastern Germany and later surrendered to police.

A DVD emerged with a film in the style of a Pink Panther cartoon in which the group claimed responsibility for the attacks.

A probe into the handling of the case revealed oversights and missteps by police and domestic intelligence services and a realisation that the right-wing extremist threat had been grossly underestimated.

The head of domestic intelligence resigned in July after staff admitted shredding files relevant to the case, and a parliamentary committee has been set up to look into what went wrong.

The scandal also exposed a web of contacts between the secret services and the far-right in which the state systematically exchanged cash for information, raising questions about possible collusion.

Lawyers for Semiya and Kerim Simsek, whose father was the first victim, called on the country's leaders not to pass the buck.

"It is to be hoped that politicians don't use the proceedings to further shirk their responsibility," they said in a statement.
Turks outside trial for accused neo-Nazi Beate Zschaepe Photo: The media surrounds Turks laying a wreath in commemoration of the victims outside the courtroom where Beate Zschaepe is on trial. (Reuters: Michaela Rehle)

'Dressed like a businesswoman'

Dressed in a black trouser suit, white shirt and wearing large hoop earrings, Zschaepe entered the courtroom before the hearing got underway and stood with her back to the TV cameras.

Proceedings were delayed after motions by defence lawyers objecting to the trial's chief judge Manfred Goetzl.

They argue among other things that he is biased in insisting that the defence team undergoes security checks on entering the court while prosecutors, police and others are not required to be searched.

Inside, many of the victims' families got their first glimpse of the accused in person whose photo has regularly featured in the media but who has remained silent during her 18 months in custody.

She faces life in prison if convicted.

"She was dressed like a businesswoman who's at an investors' conference. She was sure of herself, even arrogant, enjoying the situation," Mehmet Daimaguler, a lawyer for two victims' families, said.

"But you know something? She can do whatever, for me she is a suspected murderer," he told reporters outside the court.

A controversy over journalist accreditation overshadowed the run-up to the trial after the court initially failed to guarantee Turkish media seats and was told to rectify that by the country's top court, prompting a three-week delay.

Prosecutor Herbert Diemer told a press conference on Monday that investigators had found that the NSU was an insular group with some supporters but no links to other organisations, and that there was no 'third man' in any of the attacks.

He also said they had found "no evidence to date" that the NSU had connections to police or state security services.

Chancellor Angela Merkel has called the killings a "disgrace" for Germany and apologised at a memorial in February last year for suspicion having fallen on some victims' relatives.

Interior minister Hans-Peter Friedrich later pledged an overhaul of security services to improve coordination and ensure accountability.
German special forces escort Beate Zschaepe Photo: German special police forces take a handcuffed Beate Zschaepe away after the opening day of her trial. (Reuters: Kai Pfaffenbach)

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Is this is a consequence of the encouragement such people receive from those who post racist and bigoted opinion on the Internet.
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Reply #1 - May 7th, 2013 at 10:22pm
 
As you have posted a racist bigoted opinion perhaps you may be able to answer it for us?
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Reply #2 - May 7th, 2013 at 10:50pm
 
between 2000 and 2007.

Unlikely, more a sign of todays youths inability to cope with reality..not much internet in 2000.
The modernisation of right extremism(courtesy of alquada..beats me how you spell it) gives sway that these guys were probably still learning the basics of being slightly to the right.
Germany,of all places suggests just a normal cult following of adolf.Nowadays in Germany,they would merely be regarded as amateurs.
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Reply #3 - May 7th, 2013 at 11:21pm
 
Adamant wrote on May 7th, 2013 at 10:22pm:
As you have posted a racist bigoted opinion...


who? the ABC?  Huh
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Reply #4 - May 7th, 2013 at 11:53pm
 
Adamant wrote on May 7th, 2013 at 10:22pm:
As you have posted a racist bigoted opinion perhaps you may be able to answer it for us?


Perhaps you'd care to explain how it is both "racist" and "bigoted"?

I see factual reporting provided by the ABC and an opinion, suggesting that the rise of such evil groups is a consequence of the encouragement that many on the internet provide to them.   People posting hatred, beget violence...
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Reply #5 - May 8th, 2013 at 12:18pm
 
As important as stamping out these elements is, one cannot help but fear that this might serve as a distraction against the real threat from the far right.

The far right in Europe has evolved, and most organisations are clever enough to publicly disown the "nazi" association. Germany right now remains an oasis in a continent that has an increasing far-right foothold: Netherlands, France, Austria, and of course Hungary - all nations with a strong far-right presense in their political arena. Not to mention the ever increasing extremist discourse at the community level - not least of all in the online community - increases the number of self-radicalising "lone wolves" like Anders Brievik.

This threat is from a far-right who have disavowed the nazi tag, and are appealing to a more mainstream audience. Show trials like this one, of a thoroughly discredited legacy brand of fascism, run the risk of diverting attention away from the contemporary far right, who are very much part of the mainstream political process in virtually every part of Europe except for Germany. Germany must remain on their guard to ensure this new form of fascism doesn't take root in that country.
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Reply #6 - May 8th, 2013 at 12:47pm
 
Adamant wrote on May 7th, 2013 at 10:22pm:
As you have posted a racist bigoted opinion perhaps you may be able to answer it for us?


In the words of Pauline Hanson, "please explain?"

You make a charge yet present no evidence to back it.  Do you often make such baseless accusations?
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brumbie wrote on May 7th, 2013 at 10:50pm:
between 2000 and 2007.

Unlikely, more a sign of todays youths inability to cope with reality..not much internet in 2000.


More than enough.  The Extreme Right were early adopters of the internet as a means of further spreading their propaganda.

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The modernisation of right extremism(courtesy of alquada..beats me how you spell it)


Al'Qaeda is the usually accepted spelling.  Its pronounced "Al[glottal stop]kaada", according to the Arabic speakers I know.

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gives sway that these guys were probably still learning the basics of being slightly to the right.
Germany,of all places suggests just a normal cult following of adolf.Nowadays in Germany,they would merely be regarded as amateurs.


They are merely the more extreme of the extreme-Right.

Like Anders Breivik in Norway, they took encouragement from the bile and hatred posted online and actually put into action what many post on forums just like this one where people feel free to vent their Xenophobia and racism.
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Reply #8 - May 8th, 2013 at 6:13pm
 
I take it then that the hatred and bigotry preached by leftists, muslims and their apologists against the west and Christianity, coupled with the hatred and bigotry in the qur'an, plus the hatred and bigotry in muhammad's teachings, the hatred and bigotry in the commands of allah, play an overbearing part in encouraging the muslims who slaughter tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children every year.
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Reply #9 - May 8th, 2013 at 7:17pm
 
moses wrote on May 8th, 2013 at 6:13pm:
I take it then that the hatred and bigotry preached by leftists, muslims and their apologists against the west and Christianmuity, coupled with the hatred and bigotry in the qur'an, plus the hatred and bigotry in muhammad's teachings, the hatred and bigotry in the commands of allah, play an overbearing part in encouraging the muslims who slaughter tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children every year.


Wow. Muslims are so bad that they are apparently responsible for neo-nazi islamophobes going on murderous rampages. Hmmm  Shocked
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Reply #10 - May 8th, 2013 at 8:01pm
 
No, muslims and their apologists plus islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an, are so bad, they are responsible for islamic killers slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent people every year.
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Reply #11 - May 8th, 2013 at 9:09pm
 
moses wrote on May 8th, 2013 at 8:01pm:
No, muslims and their apologists plus islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an, are so bad, they are responsible for islamic killers slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent people every year.


Moses, you're ranting.  You're also trying to blame the victims of these right-wing extremists for their own murders.  That is pretty despicable.  A new low for you.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #12 - May 8th, 2013 at 10:37pm
 
moses wrote on May 8th, 2013 at 8:01pm:
No, muslims and their apologists plus islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an, are so bad, they are responsible for islamic killers slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent people every year.


Off topic perhaps?

Are you that one dimensional that you have to spew your islamophobic vitriol even in threads which have nothing to do with islam?
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Reply #13 - May 8th, 2013 at 10:44pm
 
Hook, line and sinker, moses.

When are you gonna learn?
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Reply #14 - May 8th, 2013 at 11:06pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 7th, 2013 at 11:21pm:
Adamant wrote on May 7th, 2013 at 10:22pm:
As you have posted a racist bigoted opinion...


who? the ABC?  Huh



I did not realise the ABC had ever posted anything on this site.
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