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Paedophilia, Nature or Nurture?
May 12^th, 2013 at 6:33am

Accused headmaster turned me into pedophile, says convicted cleric Peter Gilbert

A CLERGYMAN who allegedly raped boys at a north Queensland boarding school in the 1960s has claimed he was ordered to take female hormones by his headmaster, who encouraged the "romantic love" of children among staff.

Former Anglican brother Peter Gilbert - sentenced to seven years' jail in 2006 for the rape and indecent assault of children in the 1980s in South Australia - has blamed St Barnabas headmaster the late Robert Waddington for turning him into a pedophile.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/accused-headmaster-turned-me-into-pe...

Is pedophilia hereditary?
The truth is scientists don't know yet, said James Cantor, a psychologist with the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health.
But, he said, studies show that someone who is sexually attracted to children is biologically different from non-pedophiles.

"Over the past five years, we've been gaining more and more ... clues that this is the case," said Cantor, one of the few scientists in the country studying the issue.
In recent years, researchers have shown pedophiles are three times more likely to be left-handed and are "significantly" shorter than non-pedophiles.
Their IQs are typically 10 points below average and they more frequently suffered head injuries as children.
By this logic, it would seem nature, rather than nurture, is to blame.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2009/07/17/is_pedophilia_a_product_of_nature_or_...

What creates Paedophilia, nature or nurture.

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Reply #1 - May 12^th, 2013 at 7:26am

Maybe a bit of both. It seems that some children that were abused, go on to abuse, much like children raised in abusive households go on to marry or form relationships with abusive partners, not all, but a lot.

I wonder if those that join the clergy do so because they can hide behind the cloak, they are protected to a certain degree, or if they learn that behaviour after joining, the culture of the organisation.....who knows?

There doesn't seem to be any clear evidence as yet, I'm hoping with the Royal Commission into pedophilia within these organisations, more light will shine on the reasons behind the abuse, maybe then steps can be taken to prevent it.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Paedophilia, Nature or Nurture? Reply #3 - May 12^th, 2013 at 9:33am Quote: What creates Paedophilia, nature or nurture. Same as what creates other defects of sexual attraction, such as homosexuality. I don't think it's a single cause.
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KJT1981 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1822	Re: Paedophilia, Nature or Nurture? Reply #4 - May 12^th, 2013 at 9:43am freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 9:24am: So we shouldn't trust short, left handed idiots around children? I didn't know Pansi was short and left handed, the idiot part is common knowledge.
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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Paedophilia, Nature or Nurture? Reply #5 - May 12^th, 2013 at 9:53am ... wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 9:33am: Quote: What creates Paedophilia, nature or nurture. Same as what creates other defects of sexual attraction, such as homosexuality. I don't think it's a single cause. At what age does heterosexual attraction happen?
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Reply #6 - May 12^th, 2013 at 11:03am

... wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 9:33am:

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What creates Paedophilia, nature or nurture.

Same as what creates other defects of sexual attraction, such as homosexuality. I don't think it's a single cause.

You just wanted to day defects of sexual attraction like hommersexuality. Getting one in for the team, eh Honky?

Marvellous stuff.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26511 Australia	Re: Paedophilia, Nature or Nurture? Reply #7 - May 12^th, 2013 at 11:07am KJT1981 wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 9:43am: freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 9:24am: So we shouldn't trust short, left handed idiots around children? I didn't know Pansi was short and left handed, the idiot part is common knowledge. go away troll SOB
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Reply #8 - May 12^th, 2013 at 11:28am

____ wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 9:53am:

... wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 9:33am:

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What creates Paedophilia, nature or nurture.

Same as what creates other defects of sexual attraction, such as homosexuality. I don't think it's a single cause.

At what age does heterosexual attraction happen?

Probably the same age any other orientation 'happens'. Why do you ask?

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Reply #9 - May 12^th, 2013 at 11:30am

____ wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 6:33am:

What creates Paedophilia, nature or nurture.

nature would not create something as diabolical as a paedo.....no way.they are just plain sick..

the same with anyone who abuses children..god we have enough of them..

I am sick of reading about the damage done to our kids...the law is too weak...think of yourself as a child in no position to get away from someone like that...dont blame anything but themselves...children are just an easy target.. they wouldnt get away with what they do with an adult..lock em up foreeeever

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Reply #10 - May 12^th, 2013 at 11:38am

... wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 11:28am:

____ wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 9:53am:

... wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 9:33am:

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What creates Paedophilia, nature or nurture.

Same as what creates other defects of sexual attraction, such as homosexuality. I don't think it's a single cause.

At what age does heterosexual attraction happen?

Probably the same age any other orientation 'happens'. Why do you ask?

Being from the gay community, unsure of the non-gay community's sexual development.

So what aged did your personal sexual interest start?

I am guessing you are non-gay?

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Reply #11 - May 12^th, 2013 at 11:43am

cods wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

____ wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 6:33am:

What creates Paedophilia, nature or nurture.

nature would not create something as diabolical as a paedo.....no way.they are just plain sick..

the same with anyone who abuses children..god we have enough of them..

I am sick of reading about the damage done to our kids...the law is too weak...think of yourself as a child in no position to get away from someone like that...dont blame anything but themselves...children are just an easy target.. they wouldnt get away with what they do with an adult..lock em up foreeeever

Nature has created situations where parents eat their babies. Having sexual relations would not be as bad would it?

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Reply #12 - May 12^th, 2013 at 11:48am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

KJT1981 wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 9:43am:

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

So we shouldn't trust short, left handed idiots around children?

I didn't know Pansi was short and left handed, the idiot part is common knowledge.

go away troll

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Numberplate is having another low self esteem day, she needs to look in the mirror, or do a little soul searching, there must be something to like.

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Reply #13 - May 12^th, 2013 at 11:53am

____ wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 11:43am:

cods wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

____ wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 6:33am:

What creates Paedophilia, nature or nurture.

nature would not create something as diabolical as a paedo.....no way.they are just plain sick..

the same with anyone who abuses children..god we have enough of them..

I am sick of reading about the damage done to our kids...the law is too weak...think of yourself as a child in no position to get away from someone like that...dont blame anything but themselves...children are just an easy target.. they wouldnt get away with what they do with an adult..lock em up foreeeever

Nature has created situations where parents eat their babies. Having sexual relations would not be as bad would it?

not in humans....and if that was the case... they would be declared insane..

and yes having sexual relations with a child would be as bad.. maybe not in you view but most certainly in mine... its up there with all the murder and torture some men put children through..

I would like just 5 minutes with them.... thats all.

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Reply #14 - May 12^th, 2013 at 11:53am

____ wrote on May 12^th, 2013 at 6:33am:

Is pedophilia hereditary?The truth is scientists don't know yet, said James Cantor, a psychologist with the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health.But, he said, studies show that someone who is sexually attracted to children is biologically different from non-pedophiles."Over the past five years, we've been gaining more and more ... clues that this is the case," said Cantor, one of the few scientists in the country studying the issue.In recent years, researchers have shown pedophiles are three times more likely to be left-handed and are "significantly" shorter than non-pedophiles.Their IQs are typically 10 points below average and they more frequently suffered head injuries as children.By this logic, it would seem nature, rather than nurture, is to blame.

That's hardly logic. Firstly, hereditary means the biological passing of genetic traits from parents to their offspring. Secondly, correlation isn't causation. I'd like to see the research that backs up the dubious claims the Star is making.

The nature vs nurture debate will never be fully resolved - it presents a false dichotomy. In fact, it's hardly even a serious debate anymore because most experts accept that. For a start, behaviour is multiply-determined, which is why it's so difficult to predict. There are always influences that you can't measure. It's very difficult to identify any single psychological attribute or behaviour that can be attributed exclusively to either biological or environmental issues.

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