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Difference between Germany and Japan
May 14^th, 2013 at 4:30pm

In their search for justice that has endured for decades, the biggest challenge Nazi hunters face is time. The knowledge that war criminals are escaping prosecution through death by natural causes means their task has never been more pressing. German state police arrested a 93-year-old man accused of being a guard at the Auschwitz concentration camp. Hans Lipschis is the first suspect to be facing charges as part of a drive launched earlier this year to track down 50 suspected Auschwitz guards who are believed to be living in Germany. Most of those involved in the murder of about 6 million Jews in the Holocaust and still alive will now be in their 90s, a ripe old age for people who carried out one the most heinous crimes in the history of humanity. This is very different from Japan.

Japan is restoring the use of the Rising Sun Flag, a symbolism of invasions by Imperial Japanese Army. This is basically the equivalent of Germans using the Nazi Germany Flag. This is proof that Japan still craves the desire for the failed Japanese imperialism. It's almost as if Japan is reenact the past invasions anytime soon. We can see Japan's fascism from their arguments that Korea's Dokdo is Japanese territory.

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Difference between Germany and Japan Reply #1 - May 14^th, 2013 at 5:59pm Europes Anarchist Battalions keep them down in Britain, germany and elsewhere Jessica. I expect the same to happen in Japan should it become necessary. the price of being NaziFree is eternal vigilance.
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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Difference between Germany and Japan Reply #2 - May 14^th, 2013 at 6:17pm
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Reply #3 - May 14^th, 2013 at 8:09pm

Grey wrote on May 14^th, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Europes Anarchist Battalions keep them down in Britain, germany and elsewhere Jessica. I expect the same to happen in Japan should it become necessary. the price of being NaziFree is eternal vigilance.

lmao

heres the brave antifas going after a 93 year old man

fighting the good fight hey grey?

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Difference between Germany and Japan Reply #4 - May 14^th, 2013 at 10:01pm A small band of Anarchists making their point in a hostile environment. I'm proud to be associated with them.
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Reply #5 - May 14^th, 2013 at 11:27pm

Grey wrote on May 14^th, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Europes Anarchist Battalions keep them down in Britain, germany and elsewhere Jessica. I expect the same to happen in Japan should it become necessary. the price of being NaziFree is eternal vigilance.

Anarchism can only exist in cultures that are very liberal; in other words, Western countries. Given that Japan is more traditionalist, family orientated, and has respect for authority, I don't see anarchism existing there any time soon.

btw, do think it's kind of silly to rally against Nazis? I mean, they haven't existed since 1945.

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Reply #6 - May 15^th, 2013 at 12:06am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 14^th, 2013 at 11:27pm:

Grey wrote on May 14^th, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Europes Anarchist Battalions keep them down in Britain, germany and elsewhere Jessica. I expect the same to happen in Japan should it become necessary. the price of being NaziFree is eternal vigilance.

Anarchism can only exist in cultures that are very liberal; in other words, Western countries. Given that Japan is more traditionalist, family orientated, and has respect for authority, I don't see anarchism existing there any time soon.

The youth of Japan are a lot more worldly than you give them credit for MM.

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btw, do think it's kind of silly to rally against Nazis? I mean, they haven't existed since 1945.

You think? Seriously? "Right wing sympathy, in the countries security services and police force" .

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Difference between Germany and Japan Reply #7 - May 15^th, 2013 at 12:34am Not bothered though, we got the numbers.
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Reply #8 - May 15^th, 2013 at 3:29am

Grey wrote on May 14^th, 2013 at 10:01pm:

A small band of Anarchists making their point in a hostile environment. I'm proud to be associated with them.

yeah you're proud to be associated with a group that uses violence and force to shut down people with opposing ideas to them (like the elderly discoverer of DNA who made some statements about intergroup disparities in measurable psychological traits)

proud to be associated with violent loudmouth bullies who loathe scientific enquiry because it intersects their antiquated 19th century ideology?

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Reply #9 - May 15^th, 2013 at 7:56am

Grey wrote on May 15^th, 2013 at 12:06am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 14^th, 2013 at 11:27pm:

Grey wrote on May 14^th, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Europes Anarchist Battalions keep them down in Britain, germany and elsewhere Jessica. I expect the same to happen in Japan should it become necessary. the price of being NaziFree is eternal vigilance.

Anarchism can only exist in cultures that are very liberal; in other words, Western countries. Given that Japan is more traditionalist, family orientated, and has respect for authority, I don't see anarchism existing there any time soon.

The youth of Japan are a lot more worldly than you give them credit for MM.

An anti-nuclear protest with the elderly and children seems far removed from anarchism.

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Reply #11 - May 15^th, 2013 at 9:03am

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Christian and anarchist. — When the anarchist, as the mouthpiece of the declining strata of society, demands with a fine indignation what is "right," "justice," and "equal rights," he is merely under the pressure of his own uncultured state, which cannot comprehend the real reason for his suffering — what it is that he is poor in: life. A causal instinct asserts itself in him: it must be somebody's fault that he is in a bad way.
Also, the "fine indignation" itself soothes him; it is a pleasure for all wretched devils to scold: it gives a slight but intoxicating sense of power. Even plaintiveness and complaining can give life a charm for the sake of which one endures it: there is a fine dose of revenge in every complaint; one charges one's own bad situation, and under certain circumstances even one's own badness, to those who are different, as if that were an injustice, a forbidden privilege. "If I am canaille, you ought to be too" — on such logic are revolutions made.
Complaining is never any good: it stems from weakness. Whether one charges one's misfortune to others or to oneself — the socialist does the former; the Christian, for example, the latter — really makes no difference. The common and, let us add, the unworthy thing is that it is supposed to be somebody's fault that one is suffering; in short, that the sufferer prescribes the honey of revenge for himself against his suffering. The objects of this need for revenge, as a need for pleasure, are mere occasions: everywhere the sufferer finds occasions for satisfying his little revenge. If he is a Christian — to repeat it once more — he finds them in himself. The Christian and the anarchist are both decadents. When the Christian condemns, slanders, and besmirches "the world," his instinct is the same as that which prompts the socialist worker to condemn, slander, and besmirch society. The "last judgment" is the sweet comfort of revenge — the revolution, which the socialist worker also awaits, but conceived as a little farther off. The "beyond" — why a beyond, if not as a means for besmirching this world?

Nietzsche - Twilight of the Idols

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Reply #12 - May 15^th, 2013 at 10:20am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 15^th, 2013 at 9:03am:

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Christian and anarchist. — When the anarchist, as the mouthpiece of the declining strata of society, demands with a fine indignation what is "right," "justice," and "equal rights," he is merely under the pressure of his own uncultured state, which cannot comprehend the real reason for his suffering — what it is that he is poor in: life. A causal instinct asserts itself in him: it must be somebody's fault that he is in a bad way.
Also, the "fine indignation" itself soothes him; it is a pleasure for all wretched devils to scold: it gives a slight but intoxicating sense of power. Even plaintiveness and complaining can give life a charm for the sake of which one endures it: there is a fine dose of revenge in every complaint; one charges one's own bad situation, and under certain circumstances even one's own badness, to those who are different, as if that were an injustice, a forbidden privilege. "If I am canaille, you ought to be too" — on such logic are revolutions made.
Complaining is never any good: it stems from weakness. Whether one charges one's misfortune to others or to oneself — the socialist does the former; the Christian, for example, the latter — really makes no difference. The common and, let us add, the unworthy thing is that it is supposed to be somebody's fault that one is suffering; in short, that the sufferer prescribes the honey of revenge for himself against his suffering. The objects of this need for revenge, as a need for pleasure, are mere occasions: everywhere the sufferer finds occasions for satisfying his little revenge. If he is a Christian — to repeat it once more — he finds them in himself. The Christian and the anarchist are both decadents. When the Christian condemns, slanders, and besmirches "the world," his instinct is the same as that which prompts the socialist worker to condemn, slander, and besmirch society. The "last judgment" is the sweet comfort of revenge — the revolution, which the socialist worker also awaits, but conceived as a little farther off. The "beyond" — why a beyond, if not as a means for besmirching this world?

Nietzsche - Twilight of the Idols

Good quote. If Nietzsche was writing today, he'd be talking about viewers of Today Tonight, Alan's listeners, and dull old boys who blame all social ills on JuLiar, the leftists and the Muselmen.

Slave morality is not a condition confined to socialists and Christians. It's now owned lock, stock and barrel by the tards.

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Reply #13 - May 15^th, 2013 at 12:23pm

Nietzsche's description and analysis of slave morality is the most fundamental insight of the (post)modern era. For example, Grey seems to think he's some kind of freedom fighter who holds the key to true justice, yet he is a most reactive person. He reacts against 'power structures' and has little ideas of his own, yet he calls himself the 'good' and the 'just.' He sits, waiting, for someone, somewhere to assert some power, and then he pounces on it and claims to be fighting the good fight.

However, I don't blame Grey and his ilk too much (this includes the whole plethora of slave moralists - feminists, socialists, liberals, reactive conservatives, pessimists). When the dominant ethos of the era tells you that negative freedom, 'freedom from oppression', and equality encapsulate and embody the absolute 'good', then you can't blame the sheep for believing such things. There will always be sheep and herds.

The overcoming, acceptance, and affirmation of pain, suffering, hardship, conflict, and misery is a personal journey, and not a political program.

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Reply #14 - May 15^th, 2013 at 2:35pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 15^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

Grey wrote on May 15^th, 2013 at 12:34am:

Not bothered though, we got the numbers.

Advocating violence are we? Funny how violence is permitted by anarchists but if anyone else does it, "oh they're Nazis!"

'Anarchist violence' , come off it, they're just letting off a little steam against the states thugs. Who you'll no doubt note, do nothing but protect the right of Nazis to demonstrate. But when the left demonstrate they turn up to rumble, armed and protected to the teeth. Smashing bank windows isn't my way; but I do get the giggles when Fascists complain about "a group that uses violence and force to shut down people with opposing ideas to them".

It was ever thus.

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