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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Thommo has the last laugh Reply #15 - May 16^th, 2013 at 6:27pm In short a person would be mad not to re-contest their seat in the full knowledge that they are in for a hiding because they would be giving up a truckload of cash for doing and risking nothing.
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Reply #16 - May 16^th, 2013 at 6:29pm

I do not see the benefit in him running. He cannot win and he will be convicted of a crime and disqualified in the next year. the payment for getting over 4% is not very high given that it would be lucky to exceed his campaigning costs. His parliamentary pension is based on being elected, not standing.

so does anyone have any idea exactly what he has to gain by standing in an election he cant win and will cost him money?

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Reply #17 - May 16^th, 2013 at 6:31pm

adelcrow wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 5:49pm:

Aussie wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 5:46pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

cods wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

Swagman wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

Thommo is going to run as an independent at the next election and when he gets flogged he'll receive a truckload of money.
Thommo has taken a leaf out of Phony Tonys dodgy play book Grin

Isn't he in trouble for getting flogged on credit....? Grin

I am glad you know what he is talking about.. dont ya know we already have a thread on this guy adel???..

how will THOMO get a truck load of money...??? how does he figure that out?

Same reason Pauline Hanson runs with no chance of success Cods.....If you get enough cretins to vote for you then you are entitled to election funding....So much per vote above a quota means cash for nothing.....Thomson has Buckley's chance of winning but might get enough votes to claim a taxpayer funded pay day!!!

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I thought the Thread was about Parliamentary entitlements when a sitting Member is defeated....and nil to do with electoral funding.

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If a sitting member contests their seat and loses they get a huge compensation payment where as if they just simply slink away when its obvious they are going to get beaten they miss out on that compensation.

I think they are entitled to 8 weeks redundancy pay and that is all.

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Reply #18 - May 16^th, 2013 at 7:07pm

philperth2010 wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 5:43pm:

http://www.aec.gov.au/parties_and_representatives/public_funding/files/election-...

Amount of Election Funding
The amount of the funding entitlement is calculated by multiplying the number of formal first preference votes achieved by a candidate (or by all the candidates in a Senate group) by the current election funding rate. The funding rate is reviewed every 6 months in line with increases in the consumer price index. For the period 1 July to 31 December 2010, the funding rate is $2.31191 per eligible vote. Both the current election funding rate and historical rates are available at – http://www.aec.gov.au/Parties_and_ Representatives/public funding/index.htm.

Payment of Election Funding
At least 95% of the election funding entitlement is paid in the 4th week after polling day, on the basis of votes counted as at the 20th day after polling day. The balance is paid when the counting of votes is finalised and the final entitlement is known. The election funding entitlements of candidates endorsed by a federally registered political party are paid to the political party. The entitlements of unendorsed (independent) candidates are paid to the candidate or their agent.

Payment is made:
■■ electronically to a bank account nominated by the party agent for this purpose (see next section for requirements applying to bank accounts);

thanks phil but this is more about what they receive when they DONT GET ELECTED..

its not about what they get to help with their election...

it says he will get his deposit back if he gets at least 4% of the primary vote.. first preference..

but where does the bucketful come in????

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Thommo has the last laugh Reply #19 - May 16^th, 2013 at 7:09pm adelcrow wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 6:27pm: In short a person would be mad not to re-contest their seat in the full knowledge that they are in for a hiding because they would be giving up a truckload of cash for doing and risking nothing. explain the truckload you keep on about I would like to see a link to that.
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Reply #20 - May 16^th, 2013 at 9:00pm

philperth2010 wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

Aussie wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

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Then you would be wrong!!!

Maybe....but I reckon a truckload of money is more likely to be Parliamentary entitlements, than the spoon full a losing candidate gets from the Electoral Commission based on vote numbers.

But.....have it your way. Either way, Thommo benefits financially by running and losing.

You are correct that Thomo will receive his Parliamentary benefits which will be considerable.....He will also gain a benefit from running as an Independent.....He had better hope he is not convicted of a crime before then or he is in danger of getting SFA.....One can only hope!!!

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His 'considerable parliamentary benefits will thankfully amount to $0.

You have to be in for three terms or more to get any benefits.

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Reply #21 - May 16^th, 2013 at 9:10pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 6:10pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

cods wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

Swagman wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

Thommo is going to run as an independent at the next election and when he gets flogged he'll receive a truckload of money.
Thommo has taken a leaf out of Phony Tonys dodgy play book Grin

Isn't he in trouble for getting flogged on credit....? Grin

I am glad you know what he is talking about.. dont ya know we already have a thread on this guy adel???..

how will THOMO get a truck load of money...??? how does he figure that out?

Same reason Pauline Hanson runs with no chance of success Cods.....If you get enough cretins to vote for you then you are entitled to election funding....So much per vote above a quota means cash for nothing.....Thomson has Buckley's chance of winning but might get enough votes to claim a taxpayer funded pay day!!!

you have to get over 4% to get any funding and its like $2 a vote plus it is $1000 to stand. How many votes does he really think he will get??? there could not be a more discredited candidate in the country!!

Recent polling indicated that he would beat the liberal candidate in his seat.

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Reply #22 - May 16^th, 2013 at 9:19pm

john_g wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:00pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

Aussie wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

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Then you would be wrong!!!

Maybe....but I reckon a truckload of money is more likely to be Parliamentary entitlements, than the spoon full a losing candidate gets from the Electoral Commission based on vote numbers.

But.....have it your way. Either way, Thommo benefits financially by running and losing.

You are correct that Thomo will receive his Parliamentary benefits which will be considerable.....He will also gain a benefit from running as an Independent.....He had better hope he is not convicted of a crime before then or he is in danger of getting SFA.....One can only hope!!!

Wink

His 'considerable parliamentary benefits will thankfully amount to $0.

You have to be in for three terms or more to get any benefits.

That is good to hear.....I think Thomson should clear his name before he runs for Parliament again.....It would be the decent thing to do!!!

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Reply #23 - May 16^th, 2013 at 9:25pm

philperth2010 wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:19pm:

john_g wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:00pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

Aussie wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

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Then you would be wrong!!!

Maybe....but I reckon a truckload of money is more likely to be Parliamentary entitlements, than the spoon full a losing candidate gets from the Electoral Commission based on vote numbers.

But.....have it your way. Either way, Thommo benefits financially by running and losing.

You are correct that Thomo will receive his Parliamentary benefits which will be considerable.....He will also gain a benefit from running as an Independent.....He had better hope he is not convicted of a crime before then or he is in danger of getting SFA.....One can only hope!!!

Wink

His 'considerable parliamentary benefits will thankfully amount to $0.

You have to be in for three terms or more to get any benefits.

That is good to hear.....I think Thomson should clear his name before he runs for Parliament again.....It would be the decent thing to do!!!

The most decent thing for him to do would to just leave now.

I saw him today on sky, and I honestly think he may be mentally ill.

He just seems out of it, and could barely open his eyes.

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Reply #24 - May 16^th, 2013 at 9:39pm

john_g wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:00pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

Aussie wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

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Then you would be wrong!!!

Maybe....but I reckon a truckload of money is more likely to be Parliamentary entitlements, than the spoon full a losing candidate gets from the Electoral Commission based on vote numbers.

But.....have it your way. Either way, Thommo benefits financially by running and losing.

You are correct that Thomo will receive his Parliamentary benefits which will be considerable.....He will also gain a benefit from running as an Independent.....He had better hope he is not convicted of a crime before then or he is in danger of getting SFA.....One can only hope!!!

Wink

His 'considerable parliamentary benefits will thankfully amount to $0.

You have to be in for three terms or more to get any benefits.

No...all he has to do is run, and his truck load increases. Slipper will run for exactly the same reason.

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Reply #25 - May 16^th, 2013 at 9:43pm

Aussie wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:39pm:

john_g wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:00pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

Aussie wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

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Then you would be wrong!!!

Maybe....but I reckon a truckload of money is more likely to be Parliamentary entitlements, than the spoon full a losing candidate gets from the Electoral Commission based on vote numbers.

But.....have it your way. Either way, Thommo benefits financially by running and losing.

You are correct that Thomo will receive his Parliamentary benefits which will be considerable.....He will also gain a benefit from running as an Independent.....He had better hope he is not convicted of a crime before then or he is in danger of getting SFA.....One can only hope!!!

Wink

His 'considerable parliamentary benefits will thankfully amount to $0.

You have to be in for three terms or more to get any benefits.

No...all he has to do is run, and his truck load increases. Slipper will run for exactly the same reason.

I mean he gets no super.

He won't get a truckload at all.

$2 a vote, and how many votes will he get anyway?

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Reply #26 - May 16^th, 2013 at 9:48pm

john_g wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:43pm:

Aussie wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:39pm:

john_g wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:00pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

Aussie wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

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Then you would be wrong!!!

Maybe....but I reckon a truckload of money is more likely to be Parliamentary entitlements, than the spoon full a losing candidate gets from the Electoral Commission based on vote numbers.

But.....have it your way. Either way, Thommo benefits financially by running and losing.

You are correct that Thomo will receive his Parliamentary benefits which will be considerable.....He will also gain a benefit from running as an Independent.....He had better hope he is not convicted of a crime before then or he is in danger of getting SFA.....One can only hope!!!

Wink

His 'considerable parliamentary benefits will thankfully amount to $0.

You have to be in for three terms or more to get any benefits.

No...all he has to do is run, and his truck load increases. Slipper will run for exactly the same reason.

I mean he gets no super.

He won't get a truckload at all.

$2 a vote, and how many votes will he get anyway?

At 4% about 10 grand.....10% to 20% could see him earn up to 40 grand.....Not bad for nothing!!!

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Reply #27 - May 16^th, 2013 at 11:44pm

Dnarever wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 6:10pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

cods wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

Swagman wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

Thommo is going to run as an independent at the next election and when he gets flogged he'll receive a truckload of money.
Thommo has taken a leaf out of Phony Tonys dodgy play book Grin

Isn't he in trouble for getting flogged on credit....? Grin

I am glad you know what he is talking about.. dont ya know we already have a thread on this guy adel???..

how will THOMO get a truck load of money...??? how does he figure that out?

Same reason Pauline Hanson runs with no chance of success Cods.....If you get enough cretins to vote for you then you are entitled to election funding....So much per vote above a quota means cash for nothing.....Thomson has Buckley's chance of winning but might get enough votes to claim a taxpayer funded pay day!!!

you have to get over 4% to get any funding and its like $2 a vote plus it is $1000 to stand. How many votes does he really think he will get??? there could not be a more discredited candidate in the country!!

Recent polling indicated that he would beat the liberal candidate in his seat.

actually, the most recent polling showed that ALL labor marginals would be lost be hefty margins. And seriously DNA, bias and all, how do you figure in the face of an 8% swing against labor that a seat with a mere 5% margin will be saved when the candidate is facing 150 criminal charges, a similar amount of industrial civil charges and is more than likely to be sent to jail in the next year?? ARE YOU NUTS????

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Reply #28 - May 16^th, 2013 at 11:45pm

philperth2010 wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

john_g wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:43pm:

Aussie wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:39pm:

john_g wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:00pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

Aussie wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

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Then you would be wrong!!!

Maybe....but I reckon a truckload of money is more likely to be Parliamentary entitlements, than the spoon full a losing candidate gets from the Electoral Commission based on vote numbers.

But.....have it your way. Either way, Thommo benefits financially by running and losing.

You are correct that Thomo will receive his Parliamentary benefits which will be considerable.....He will also gain a benefit from running as an Independent.....He had better hope he is not convicted of a crime before then or he is in danger of getting SFA.....One can only hope!!!

Wink

His 'considerable parliamentary benefits will thankfully amount to $0.

You have to be in for three terms or more to get any benefits.

No...all he has to do is run, and his truck load increases. Slipper will run for exactly the same reason.

I mean he gets no super.

He won't get a truckload at all.

$2 a vote, and how many votes will he get anyway?

At 4% about 10 grand.....10% to 20% could see him earn up to 40 grand.....Not bad for nothing!!!

and his campaign will cost at least $20K and more likely twice that. so the profit is nil and he still needs to get that 20%. I tip he will be lucky to get 2%

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Thommo has the last laugh Reply #29 - May 17^th, 2013 at 8:17am This is for all the idiots that questioned Adel yesterday when he said THOMO would benefit from running, even if loses. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/thomson-has-100000-good-reasons-to-...
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