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Reply #30 - May 17^th, 2013 at 9:50am

skippy. wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 8:17am:

This is for all the idiots that questioned Adel yesterday when he said THOMO would benefit from running, even if loses.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/thomson-has-100000-good-reasons-to-...

Ya see melielongtime, some people actually know what they are talking about.

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Reply #31 - May 17^th, 2013 at 11:57am

It is such a dodgy system. Pauline Hanson has made a living out if it since losing in 1998. She's stood at every election since then, except 2010, and always gets heaps of votes, enough to make a lot of money, but not enough to get elected. Not that it's her fault, blame the system. Why should the taxpayer be expected to pay when someone loses?

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Reply #32 - May 17^th, 2013 at 12:34pm

skippy. wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 8:17am:

This is for all the idiots that questioned Adel yesterday when he said THOMO would benefit from running, even if loses.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/thomson-has-100000-good-reasons-to-...

Craig Thomson stands to pocket more than $100,000 from the Australian taxpayer by running as an independent.
The scandal-plagued NSW MP has backed away from his explosive claim that Labor offered him a deal not to contest his NSW seat of Dobell - but acknowledged that he weighed up the financial implications of running in September.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/thomson-has-100000-good-reasons-to-be-smiling-20130516-2jpal.html#ixzz2TVsNT6DR

are we really this mad???? have we really allowed our politicians to cover their backsides like this...no matter which way they go they come out winning????..

thats appalling... and that goes for all of them independents the works they all know about this...

he cant lose can he?????.. I know thats a feather in the caps of you lefties.. but we all know how it will be if a righty does the same thing and gets away with murder...you wont like it at all...

its disgraceful... I said it a long time ago... we seem to REWARD the worst of people in this business.. they leave under all sorts of clouds and mismanagement but somehow they still hang on for huge hand outs...

why is it I dont see any lefty complainin g about that?????

why do you all seem so pleased to read where this man will come out on top its your money after all.... does he really deserve this? lets face it no good asking for it back if he does have to do time in jail..

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Reply #33 - May 17^th, 2013 at 12:40pm

TheGreenLight wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 11:57am:

It is such a dodgy system. Pauline Hanson has made a living out if it since losing in 1998. She's stood at every election since then, except 2010, and always gets heaps of votes, enough to make a lot of money, but not enough to get elected. Not that it's her fault, blame the system. Why should the taxpayer be expected to pay when someone loses?

EXACTLY... how m any people know about this though thats the point?? it isnt exactly advertised come election time is it??????

lets see the banners around the booths or even headlines in the paper the week before..

telling people what their vote is actually worth in cold hard cash if their fav doesnt win....they come out with a motza...

we need to know! we should know!.. if there is nothing wrong with this... why is it so secret??

I have been voting a long time and its the first I have heard of it.........and I can thank THOMO for that...ye gods and little fishes makes me wonder what else we dont know...what other little perks do they get..

now we know why the rush to stand as an Independent even if they dont stand a chance its not about saving us it about saving them...

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Reply #34 - May 17^th, 2013 at 3:26pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 11:44pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 9:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 6:10pm:

philperth2010 wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

cods wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

Swagman wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 16^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

Thommo is going to run as an independent at the next election and when he gets flogged he'll receive a truckload of money.
Thommo has taken a leaf out of Phony Tonys dodgy play book Grin

Isn't he in trouble for getting flogged on credit....? Grin

I am glad you know what he is talking about.. dont ya know we already have a thread on this guy adel???..

how will THOMO get a truck load of money...??? how does he figure that out?

Same reason Pauline Hanson runs with no chance of success Cods.....If you get enough cretins to vote for you then you are entitled to election funding....So much per vote above a quota means cash for nothing.....Thomson has Buckley's chance of winning but might get enough votes to claim a taxpayer funded pay day!!!

you have to get over 4% to get any funding and its like $2 a vote plus it is $1000 to stand. How many votes does he really think he will get??? there could not be a more discredited candidate in the country!!

Recent polling indicated that he would beat the liberal candidate in his seat.

actually, the most recent polling showed that ALL labor marginals would be lost be hefty margins. And seriously DNA, bias and all, how do you figure in the face of an 8% swing against labor that a seat with a mere 5% margin will be saved when the candidate is facing 150 criminal charges, a similar amount of industrial civil charges and is more than likely to be sent to jail in the next year?? ARE YOU NUTS????

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''This won't please some of my colleagues when I say it . . . but people including Labor party members may greatly fear Tony Abbott as prime minister but there are great reservations about the leadership of the Labor party,'' he said.

Mr Thomson's exit means Labor will need to endorse a new candidate for the marginal NSW Central Coast seat of Dobell, where polls have put the incumbent ahead of the Coalition.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/thomson-to-stand-as-independent-201...

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Reply #35 - May 17^th, 2013 at 4:50pm

cods wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 12:34pm:

skippy. wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 8:17am:

This is for all the idiots that questioned Adel yesterday when he said THOMO would benefit from running, even if loses.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/thomson-has-100000-good-reasons-to-...

Craig Thomson stands to pocket more than $100,000 from the Australian taxpayer by running as an independent.
The scandal-plagued NSW MP has backed away from his explosive claim that Labor offered him a deal not to contest his NSW seat of Dobell - but acknowledged that he weighed up the financial implications of running in September.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/thomson-has-100000-good-reasons-to-be-smiling-20130516-2jpal.html#ixzz2TVsNT6DR

are we really this mad???? have we really allowed our politicians to cover their backsides like this...no matter which way they go they come out winning????..

thats appalling... and that goes for all of them independents the works they all know about this...

he cant lose can he?????.. I know thats a feather in the caps of you lefties.. but we all know how it will be if a righty does the same thing and gets away with murder...you wont like it at all...

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A righty does do it cods, Hanson does it every bloody election. Ill put it back on you, how often do you whinge about her doing it?
Of course it's wrong no matter what side of politics they are from.

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Reply #37 - May 17^th, 2013 at 5:02pm

TheGreenLight wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

To cods and skippy, it is totally ludicrous, no matter who it is. Who made this in the first place and why does it still persist today?

I expect the two major parties coluded to have it made law. Of course it's ludicrous. Funny how no body bothered to whinge about it for the past ten or more years Hanson has been doing it in both federal AND state elections, it's a scam.

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Reply #38 - May 17^th, 2013 at 5:07pm

skippy. wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 5:02pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

To cods and skippy, it is totally ludicrous, no matter who it is. Who made this in the first place and why does it still persist today?

I expect the two major parties coluded to have it made law. Of course it's ludicrous. Funny how no body bothered to whinge about it for the past ten or more years Hanson has been doing it in both federal AND state elections, it's a scam.

You're probably right. But to be completely objective, it isn't like the Greens and independents or anyone has ever stood up against it. Barely anyone even knows about it. Hanson has probably made $500000 or more out of it.

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Reply #39 - May 17^th, 2013 at 5:09pm

skippy. wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 5:02pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

To cods and skippy, it is totally ludicrous, no matter who it is. Who made this in the first place and why does it still persist today?

I expect the two major parties coluded to have it made law. Of course it's ludicrous. Funny how no body bothered to whinge about it for the past ten or more years Hanson has been doing it in both federal AND state elections, it's a scam.

What are you referring to skippy? The money paid to ALL candidates (the winner and the losers) by the Electoral Commission based on the votes they received...or the much, much larger extra money a losing candidate gets from Government if they held their seat for two terms, but lost it as a failed candidate for the third term?

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Reply #40 - May 17^th, 2013 at 5:09pm

cods wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 12:40pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 11:57am:

It is such a dodgy system. Pauline Hanson has made a living out if it since losing in 1998. She's stood at every election since then, except 2010, and always gets heaps of votes, enough to make a lot of money, but not enough to get elected. Not that it's her fault, blame the system. Why should the taxpayer be expected to pay when someone loses?

EXACTLY... how m any people know about this though thats the point?? it isnt exactly advertised come election time is it??????

lets see the banners around the booths or even headlines in the paper the week before..

telling people what their vote is actually worth in cold hard cash if their fav doesnt win....they come out with a motza...

we need to know! we should know!.. if there is nothing wrong with this... why is it so secret??

I have been voting a long time and its the first I have heard of it.........and I can thank THOMO for that...ye gods and little fishes makes me wonder what else we dont know...what other little perks do they get..

now we know why the rush to stand as an Independent even if they dont stand a chance its not about saving us it about saving them...

Lets face it Cods..all the pollies are having a lend of the public

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Reply #41 - May 17^th, 2013 at 5:12pm

Actually this payout system is the IMPROVED one that Howard put in place. formerly an MP who made two terms was given a pension for life. this payout system is markedly smaller than the previous one. But there is still something fundamentally wrong with a system that gives someone a payout for merely standing for election and losing. Im pretty sure no one foresaw this loophole!! I wonder if parliament will move to close this loophole?

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Reply #42 - May 17^th, 2013 at 5:20pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

Actually this payout system is the IMPROVED one that Howard put in place. formerly an MP who made two terms was given a pension for life. this payout system is markedly smaller than the previous one. But there is still something fundamentally wrong with a system that gives someone a payout for merely standing for election and losing. Im pretty sure no one foresaw this loophole!! I wonder if parliament will move to close this loophole?

It's no 'loophole.' It has been in place for a while, and although no examples immediately come to mind (I'll do a google) it has been in the public political debating domain previously.

PS....google was not my friend.

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Reply #43 - May 17^th, 2013 at 5:31pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

Actually this payout system is the IMPROVED one that Howard put in place. formerly an MP who made two terms was given a pension for life. this payout system is markedly smaller than the previous one. But there is still something fundamentally wrong with a system that gives someone a payout for merely standing for election and losing. Im pretty sure no one foresaw this loophole!! I wonder if parliament will move to close this loophole?

It still sucks, and is a pox on politicians of all persuasions.

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Reply #44 - May 17^th, 2013 at 5:39pm

Aussie wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 5:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

Actually this payout system is the IMPROVED one that Howard put in place. formerly an MP who made two terms was given a pension for life. this payout system is markedly smaller than the previous one. But there is still something fundamentally wrong with a system that gives someone a payout for merely standing for election and losing. Im pretty sure no one foresaw this loophole!! I wonder if parliament will move to close this loophole?

It's no 'loophole.' It has been in place for a while, and although no examples immediately come to mind (I'll do a google) it has been in the public political debating domain previously.

PS....google was not my friend.

I cant think of a single example of someone running for parliament, hoping to lose in order to get a payout. I am sure the rules didn't envisage it.

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