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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Mr Abbott Is The GST Back On The Table?. Reply #15 - May 18^th, 2013 at 8:32am warrigal wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 8:23am: The GST is already on Food. Not fresh uncooked food
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KJT1981 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1822	Re: Mr Abbott Is The GST Back On The Table?. Reply #16 - May 18^th, 2013 at 8:33am warrigal wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 8:23am: The GST is already on Food. Not all food.
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Mr Abbott Is The GST Back On The Table?. Reply #17 - May 18^th, 2013 at 8:38am There should also be an alcohol/tobacco type excise on all junk food and that excise should be doubled so it could then be used to ease the burden these poisons put on our health system. The AMA can give us their list of what they consider to be junk food so the definition is clear.
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Reply #18 - May 18^th, 2013 at 8:51am

RightSadFred wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 8:12am:

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So is Beazley going to come back and roll back the GST ?

Your ignorance is stunning, Keating was the first PM to suggest the idea and the ALP have had 5 years to remove this tax reform.

As pointed out Keating was treasurer and also Howard as treasurer in the Fraser government had pushed hard for a GST in the 70's.

Doing anything to change the GST was removed from Labor policy in 2004.

I am not suggesting anything on the GST just stating some fact.

The Liberals did introduce it and they are the only party to talk about increasing it, they are the most likely to increase it.

I personally do not think that they will. Just a re-run of the scare campaign the Libs tried in 2007.

This is not needed the Libs will actually do enough terrible things that this sort of rubbish is counter productive, it muddies the water on the things really worth worrying about.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Mr Abbott Is The GST Back On The Table?. Reply #19 - May 18^th, 2013 at 8:53am Australian GST should be increased to 15-20% with an offset reduction in direct taxation. The economics of that argument have always stood up for me.
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Reply #20 - May 18^th, 2013 at 8:55am

Dnarever wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 8:51am:

RightSadFred wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 8:12am:

Dnarever

So is Beazley going to come back and roll back the GST ?

Your ignorance is stunning, Keating was the first PM to suggest the idea and the ALP have had 5 years to remove this tax reform.

As pointed out Keating was treasurer and also Howard as treasurer in the Fraser government had pushed hard for a GST in the 70's.

Doing anything to change the GST was removed from Labor policy in 2004.

I am not suggesting anything on the GST just stating some fact.

The Liberals did introduce it and they are the only party to talk about increasing it, they are the most likely to increase it.

I personally do not think that they will. Just a re-run of the scare campaign the Libs tried in 2007.

This is not needed the Libs will actually do enough terrible things that this sort of rubbish is counter productive, it muddies the water on the things really worth worrying about.

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In an interview with News Ltd, Mr Hawke, who was PM from 1983 to 1991, said he had no regrets about killing off Mr Keating's preferred tax plan, a move many view as a turning point in their relationship that later soured.

But he said the level of today's consumption tax - the 10 per cent GST - "should be open for discussion".

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Reply #21 - May 18^th, 2013 at 9:01am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 8:53am:

Australian GST should be increased to 15-20% with an offset reduction in direct taxation.

The economics of that argument have always stood up for me.

Andrei.Hicks

I think you also mean indirect tax too.

The GST is a broad based tax and the theory is about simplification.

Once the overall taxation is simplified, ratcheting up and down a GST will be far more effective.

Politically it was a huge sell getting the GST in in the first place, raising the GST will have a lot of political pain without a great deal of gain, can not see it happening in the near future.

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Reply #22 - May 18^th, 2013 at 9:03am

KJT1981 wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 8:55am:

Dnarever wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 8:51am:

RightSadFred wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 8:12am:

Dnarever

So is Beazley going to come back and roll back the GST ?

Your ignorance is stunning, Keating was the first PM to suggest the idea and the ALP have had 5 years to remove this tax reform.

As pointed out Keating was treasurer and also Howard as treasurer in the Fraser government had pushed hard for a GST in the 70's.

Doing anything to change the GST was removed from Labor policy in 2004.

I am not suggesting anything on the GST just stating some fact.

The Liberals did introduce it and they are the only party to talk about increasing it, they are the most likely to increase it.

I personally do not think that they will. Just a re-run of the scare campaign the Libs tried in 2007.

This is not needed the Libs will actually do enough terrible things that this sort of rubbish is counter productive, it muddies the water on the things really worth worrying about.

Miss this bit dna?

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In an interview with News Ltd, Mr Hawke, who was PM from 1983 to 1991, said he had no regrets about killing off Mr Keating's preferred tax plan, a move many view as a turning point in their relationship that later soured.

But he said the level of today's consumption tax - the 10 per cent GST - "should be open for discussion".

Is that meant to mean anything relivent. The thoughts of a man who has not been in government for 20 years?

This is nothing like Peter Costello saying it while he was the current Treasurer.

I personally do not have a solid position on if they should look at it or not. The balance is the worry about the dangers of making change in this area against the fact that the problem with our financial gearing created by Costello and Howard desperatly needs to be fixed.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Mr Abbott Is The GST Back On The Table?. Reply #23 - May 18^th, 2013 at 9:04am Hawke. Pisshead sellout prick.
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Reply #24 - May 18^th, 2013 at 9:13am

RightSadFred wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 9:01am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 8:53am:

Australian GST should be increased to 15-20% with an offset reduction in direct taxation.

The economics of that argument have always stood up for me.

Andrei.Hicks

I think you also mean indirect tax too.

The GST is a broad based tax and the theory is about simplification.

Once the overall taxation is simplified, ratcheting up and down a GST will be far more effective.

Politically it was a huge sell getting the GST in in the first place, raising the GST will have a lot of political pain without a great deal of gain, can not see it happening in the near future.

I agree with some of this. The logistic problems are surmountable - like all the GST going to the states etc.

The bigger issue is probably that the GST is a regressive tax which has a significantly greater impact on the poor while removing taxes which impact the wealthier to a greater extent. In some ways the raft of taxes we have while a nightmare in many ways does provide a fairer balance for overall.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Mr Abbott Is The GST Back On The Table?. Reply #25 - May 18^th, 2013 at 9:16am You can't have a 10% sales tax and a top rate of 47% of direct tax. You need 20% sales tax and top rate of 40%. Right now it's uncompetitive with other world markets on top tier employment. I would never return to Australia under its current tax system.
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Reply #26 - May 18^th, 2013 at 9:22am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 9:16am:

You can't have a 10% sales tax and a top rate of 47% of direct tax.

You need 20% sales tax and top rate of 40%.

Right now it's uncompetitive with other world markets on top tier employment.

I would never return to Australia under its current tax system.

We don't have any sales tax in Australia.

I would never return to Australia under its current tax system

Good.

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Reply #27 - May 18^th, 2013 at 4:47pm

RightSadFred wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 9:01am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 8:53am:

Australian GST should be increased to 15-20% with an offset reduction in direct taxation.

The economics of that argument have always stood up for me.

Andrei.Hicks

I think you also mean indirect tax too.

The GST is a broad based tax and the theory is about simplification.

Once the overall taxation is simplified, ratcheting up and down a GST will be far more effective.

Politically it was a huge sell getting the GST in in the first place, raising the GST will have a lot of political pain without a great deal of gain, can not see it happening in the near future.

The GST needs to be increased if Govt services are to be maintained or improved.

The burden of 'direct' taxation is falling upon fewer individual taxpayers due to the aging of the population.

One of the main reasons for introducing a broad based GST was to counter the aging of the population.

As the baby boomers retire and lots of them cease paying tax and start collecting welfare there will be less tax payers as a proportion of the population to pay the bills.

Simple, but any increase in the rate of GST will be howled down by the very people that want the unsustainable increases in spending for education health and disability care such as Mr Crook....

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Reply #28 - May 18^th, 2013 at 5:12pm

Swagman wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

RightSadFred wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 9:01am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 8:53am:

Australian GST should be increased to 15-20% with an offset reduction in direct taxation.

The economics of that argument have always stood up for me.

Andrei.Hicks

I think you also mean indirect tax too.

The GST is a broad based tax and the theory is about simplification.

Once the overall taxation is simplified, ratcheting up and down a GST will be far more effective.

Politically it was a huge sell getting the GST in in the first place, raising the GST will have a lot of political pain without a great deal of gain, can not see it happening in the near future.

The GST needs to be increased if Govt services are to be maintained or improved.

The burden of 'direct' taxation is falling upon fewer individual taxpayers due to the aging of the population.

One of the main reasons for introducing a broad based GST was to counter the aging of the population.

As the baby boomers retire and lots of them cease paying tax and start collecting welfare there will be less tax payers as a proportion of the population to pay the bills.

Simple, but any increase in the rate of GST will be howled down by the very people that want the unsustainable increases in spending for education health and disability care such as Mr Crook....

The burden of 'direct' taxation is falling upon fewer individual taxpayers due to the aging of the population.

In other words we need to keep high wage earners and billion dollar business taxes low by taxing pensioners and the unemployed more.

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Reply #29 - May 18^th, 2013 at 5:25pm

Dnarever wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

In other words we need to keep high wage earners and billion dollar business taxes low by taxing pensioners and the unemployed more

No you tax everyone across the board a little bit instead of fleecing a shrinking minority to feed a growing majority.

No ones saying that personal tax will be abolished.

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