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Reply #90 - May 19^th, 2013 at 11:17pm

Dnarever wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 3:56pm:

progressiveslol wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 3:46pm:

Either has labor while promising it 300 times. So you are screwed and I am happy to give liberals a go.

Just as they will be happy to laugh their heads off at you while screwing you.

Been there with labor, so your point is... Cheesy

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Reply #91 - May 20^th, 2013 at 7:54am

John Smith wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 9:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 8:32pm:

John Smith wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Global economic conditions are vastly different today to what they were during Howards years. Howard had the best possible conditions in recent history, whereas today, we have some of the worst conditions since the great depression. Anyone who thinks the libs are going to come in and bring us into surplus alla Costello style is an idiot who is going to be mightilly dissapointed in about 3 years time. (hi progs)

All Abbott is going to do, if he wins office, is drive us into recession. However, that in itself won't be a bad thing, it at least means I won't have to hear the libs going on for the next 20 yrs about how they are the greatest economic managers. Libs have always had one modus operandi ... cut spending on the public service, sell everything, and cut services ... and yet despite they having used the same rule book since inception, Costello is the only time they've ever managed a surplus ... that should tell you one thing, it wasn't the libs rules that bought about a surplus, but more the fact that they got in during a time the whole world is booming.

yes, howard had better global conditions. nobody is ignoring it. However in these good times Howard made an impressive improvement in our fiscal position ie he saved for a rainy day. In more difficult times labor have done an utterly crap job. massive debt, massive deficit, higher unemployment. it hardly stands up as an impressive record. A truly impressive outcome would be if the economy was growing stronger and stronger, unemployment was still down and our debt was at a low level. Labo have done a lousy job in poor circumstances.

Howard made an impresivce improvement into our financial position by selling whatever he could get his hands on . Labor has had steady growth throughout a time when just about all our trading partners hit a wall. Our economy is stronger and unemployment is down. The only thing you have is the debt argument but thats thats just blowing smoke. Abbotts own plans at the last elections would have seen us in even more debt. Admit it longloser, despite all the rhetoric, labor has done alright. Sure, they could have done better, but that can be said about anyone. Where labor has rally struggled is in their ability to sell an idea .... absolutely woeful, I wonder how much of that was because of the hung parliament and the fact that they were forced to have to water down their ideas to get anything to happen .. it's always hard to sell someone else's policy.

Well Labor better is Not good enough JOHN

Put the country into more debt by giving more handouts to the greedy in this country.

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Reply #92 - May 20^th, 2013 at 8:36am

warrigal wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 7:54am:

John Smith wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 9:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 8:32pm:

John Smith wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Global economic conditions are vastly different today to what they were during Howards years. Howard had the best possible conditions in recent history, whereas today, we have some of the worst conditions since the great depression. Anyone who thinks the libs are going to come in and bring us into surplus alla Costello style is an idiot who is going to be mightilly dissapointed in about 3 years time. (hi progs)

All Abbott is going to do, if he wins office, is drive us into recession. However, that in itself won't be a bad thing, it at least means I won't have to hear the libs going on for the next 20 yrs about how they are the greatest economic managers. Libs have always had one modus operandi ... cut spending on the public service, sell everything, and cut services ... and yet despite they having used the same rule book since inception, Costello is the only time they've ever managed a surplus ... that should tell you one thing, it wasn't the libs rules that bought about a surplus, but more the fact that they got in during a time the whole world is booming.

yes, howard had better global conditions. nobody is ignoring it. However in these good times Howard made an impressive improvement in our fiscal position ie he saved for a rainy day. In more difficult times labor have done an utterly crap job. massive debt, massive deficit, higher unemployment. it hardly stands up as an impressive record. A truly impressive outcome would be if the economy was growing stronger and stronger, unemployment was still down and our debt was at a low level. Labo have done a lousy job in poor circumstances.

Howard made an impresivce improvement into our financial position by selling whatever he could get his hands on . Labor has had steady growth throughout a time when just about all our trading partners hit a wall. Our economy is stronger and unemployment is down. The only thing you have is the debt argument but thats thats just blowing smoke. Abbotts own plans at the last elections would have seen us in even more debt. Admit it longloser, despite all the rhetoric, labor has done alright. Sure, they could have done better, but that can be said about anyone. Where labor has rally struggled is in their ability to sell an idea .... absolutely woeful, I wonder how much of that was because of the hung parliament and the fact that they were forced to have to water down their ideas to get anything to happen .. it's always hard to sell someone else's policy.

Well Labor better is Not good enough JOHN

Put the country into more debt by giving more handouts to the greedy in this country.

just more rhetoric warrigal ... does the liberal party website have all these saying listed somewhere so you can all copy paste them when ever you want? What more handouts? nothing more wasteful than some of Howards handouts but you weren't concerned about them. The fact that he was wasting money we had doesn't make it any less wasteful. Sure labor has got some things wrong, but which government hasn't?

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Reply #93 - May 20^th, 2013 at 9:26am

Dnarever wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 8:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 8:27pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 10:57am:

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The ALP's spending is all "GREEK" to me.

There comes a time where we have to become "AUSTRALIAN" again.

I'd much rather see cuts to spending and pay high taxes now under the LIB's, than pay no tax under the ALP in a recession if not depression in the next few years.

Labor avoided recession (fact) the Liberals are our best chance to have one (also a fact).

how do you define a future event as fact?

PS Howard didn't have a recession either for 12 years.

how do you define a future event as fact?

best chance

I would think that putting 2 dim wits in charge going in with $100 Billion of additional spending commitments would be one of the obvious outcomes in a tough economic position.

The Labor performance clearly shows that a recession under their leadership is very unlikely.

So the fact is that one way (labor) it is proven unlikely on known performance the other option (Libs) it is a reasonable outcome to expect.

It is clear obvious and reasonable to say that it is a fact that the known performance V the known poor economic expectation with high spending and known lack of ability means that the most likely recession would come from the libs.

even your average partisan respondent would not come up with the above nonsense. the Libs have a recent record of 12 years of economic stability growth and debt paydown. to suggest that suddenly this will all change despite the fact that most of the current opposition were part of that former govt, is illogical nonsense.

you do dumb and stupid increasingly well.

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Reply #94 - May 20^th, 2013 at 9:27am

philperth2010 wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 9:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 8:32pm:

John Smith wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Global economic conditions are vastly different today to what they were during Howards years. Howard had the best possible conditions in recent history, whereas today, we have some of the worst conditions since the great depression. Anyone who thinks the libs are going to come in and bring us into surplus alla Costello style is an idiot who is going to be mightilly dissapointed in about 3 years time. (hi progs)

All Abbott is going to do, if he wins office, is drive us into recession. However, that in itself won't be a bad thing, it at least means I won't have to hear the libs going on for the next 20 yrs about how they are the greatest economic managers. Libs have always had one modus operandi ... cut spending on the public service, sell everything, and cut services ... and yet despite they having used the same rule book since inception, Costello is the only time they've ever managed a surplus ... that should tell you one thing, it wasn't the libs rules that bought about a surplus, but more the fact that they got in during a time the whole world is booming.

yes, howard had better global conditions. nobody is ignoring it. However in these good times Howard made an impressive improvement in our fiscal position ie he saved for a rainy day. In more difficult times labor have done an utterly crap job. massive debt, massive deficit, higher unemployment. it hardly stands up as an impressive record. A truly impressive outcome would be if the economy was growing stronger and stronger, unemployment was still down and our debt was at a low level. Labo have done a lousy job in poor circumstances.

The economy is growing and has done throughout Labor's tenure.....Unemployment is low compared to Howards early years as PM.....The period of 1998 to 2003 saw higher unemployment that we have today.....Our debt is low compared to every other comparable country who envy Australia's economy.....Howard did a crap job in the most favourable circumstances......Over a decade of record growth and the sale of over $100 billion in assets with nothing to show for it.....Your idea of good management does not stack up against the facts!!!

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oh that's a goodie phil... now you are bringing intellectual dishonesty to the table as well!!! Yes, unemployment was higher in the early years of howard because he inherited high rates and then lowered them. Swan inherited record low rats of UNDER 4% and now it is nearly 6%

please do not go the way of adelcrow and DNA and resort to being a moron.

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Reply #95 - May 20^th, 2013 at 10:47am

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

oh that's a goodie phil... now you are bringing intellectual dishonesty to the table as well!!! Yes, unemployment was higher in the early years of howard because he inherited high rates and then lowered them. Swan inherited record low rats of UNDER 4% and now it is nearly 6%please do not go the way of adelcrow and DNA and resort to being a moron.

now who's being dishonest? why not give the real rate instead of saying nearly 6%? tut tut longie ... your hypocrisy is shining through again.

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Reply #96 - May 20^th, 2013 at 12:58pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

Dnarever wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 8:40pm:

how do you define a future event as fact?

best chance

I would think that putting 2 dim wits in charge going in with $100 Billion of additional spending commitments would be one of the obvious outcomes in a tough economic position.

The Labor performance clearly shows that a recession under their leadership is very unlikely.

So the fact is that one way (labor) it is proven unlikely on known performance the other option (Libs) it is a reasonable outcome to expect.

It is clear obvious and reasonable to say that it is a fact that the known performance V the known poor economic expectation with high spending and known lack of ability means that the most likely recession would come from the libs.

even your average partisan respondent would not come up with the above nonsense. the Libs have a recent record of 12 years of economic stability growth and debt paydown. to suggest that suddenly this will all change despite the fact that most of the current opposition were part of that former govt, is illogical nonsense.

you do dumb and stupid increasingly well.

the Libs have a recent record of 12 years of economic stability growth and debt paydown.

From memory nongs like Hockey and Abbott had nothing to do with that???

In fact Abbott was specifically and deliberately kept away from economic decision making.

People like Howard and Costello were smart enough to be frightened by the economic threat of Abbott

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Reply #97 - May 20^th, 2013 at 1:06pm

John Smith wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

oh that's a goodie phil... now you are bringing intellectual dishonesty to the table as well!!! Yes, unemployment was higher in the early years of howard because he inherited high rates and then lowered them. Swan inherited record low rats of UNDER 4% and now it is nearly 6%please do not go the way of adelcrow and DNA and resort to being a moron.

now who's being dishonest? why not give the real rate instead of saying nearly 6%? tut tut longie ... your hypocrisy is shining through again.

Labor inherited Rates over 4.5% and not under 4%.

In mid 2008 under Labor rates went under 4%.

Around 12 months earlier unemployment was over 5.5% in 2006.

The rate is currently about 5.5%.

The obvious conclusion from the actual data is that the Lowest was factually under Labor but in general the rate is cycling in about the same levels in 2005 - 2007 as it is now.

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Reply #98 - May 20^th, 2013 at 1:11pm

Dnarever wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 12:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

Dnarever wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 8:40pm:

how do you define a future event as fact?

best chance

I would think that putting 2 dim wits in charge going in with $100 Billion of additional spending commitments would be one of the obvious outcomes in a tough economic position.

The Labor performance clearly shows that a recession under their leadership is very unlikely.

So the fact is that one way (labor) it is proven unlikely on known performance the other option (Libs) it is a reasonable outcome to expect.

It is clear obvious and reasonable to say that it is a fact that the known performance V the known poor economic expectation with high spending and known lack of ability means that the most likely recession would come from the libs.

even your average partisan respondent would not come up with the above nonsense. the Libs have a recent record of 12 years of economic stability growth and debt paydown. to suggest that suddenly this will all change despite the fact that most of the current opposition were part of that former govt, is illogical nonsense.

you do dumb and stupid increasingly well.

the Libs have a recent record of 12 years of economic stability growth and debt paydown.

From memory nongs like Hockey and Abbott had nothing to do with that???

In fact Abbott was specifically and deliberately kept away from economic decision making.

People like Howard and Costello were smart enough to be frightened by the economic threat of Abbott

bottom line is that you claim the Libs are economic incompetents despite clear evidence (is extensive history) to the contrary.

Be partisan all you like. Just don't be a johnSmith type fool and just make it up as you go away and make assertions that have no basis.

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Reply #99 - May 20^th, 2013 at 1:15pm

Dnarever wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 1:06pm:

John Smith wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

oh that's a goodie phil... now you are bringing intellectual dishonesty to the table as well!!! Yes, unemployment was higher in the early years of howard because he inherited high rates and then lowered them. Swan inherited record low rats of UNDER 4% and now it is nearly 6%please do not go the way of adelcrow and DNA and resort to being a moron.

now who's being dishonest? why not give the real rate instead of saying nearly 6%? tut tut longie ... your hypocrisy is shining through again.

Labor inherited Rates over 4.5% and not under 4%.

In mid 2008 under Labor rates went under 4%.

Around 12 months earlier unemployment was over 5.5% in 2006.

The rate is currently about 5.5%.

The obvious conclusion from the actual data is that the Lowest was factually under Labor but in general the rate is cycling in about the same levels in 2005 - 2007 as it is now.

So in short... unemployment is trending down under Howard and 6 months after Labor is elected it trends UP harshly. Bit hard to draw any pro-labor conclusions from that!

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Reply #100 - May 20^th, 2013 at 1:16pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 12:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

Dnarever wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 8:40pm:

how do you define a future event as fact?

best chance

I would think that putting 2 dim wits in charge going in with $100 Billion of additional spending commitments would be one of the obvious outcomes in a tough economic position.

The Labor performance clearly shows that a recession under their leadership is very unlikely.

So the fact is that one way (labor) it is proven unlikely on known performance the other option (Libs) it is a reasonable outcome to expect.

It is clear obvious and reasonable to say that it is a fact that the known performance V the known poor economic expectation with high spending and known lack of ability means that the most likely recession would come from the libs.

even your average partisan respondent would not come up with the above nonsense. the Libs have a recent record of 12 years of economic stability growth and debt paydown. to suggest that suddenly this will all change despite the fact that most of the current opposition were part of that former govt, is illogical nonsense.

you do dumb and stupid increasingly well.

the Libs have a recent record of 12 years of economic stability growth and debt paydown.

From memory nongs like Hockey and Abbott had nothing to do with that???

In fact Abbott was specifically and deliberately kept away from economic decision making.

People like Howard and Costello were smart enough to be frightened by the economic threat of Abbott

bottom line is that you claim the Libs are economic incompetents despite clear evidence (is extensive history) to the contrary.

Be partisan all you like. Just don't be a johnSmith type fool and just make it up as you go away and make assertions that have no basis.

you mean like when someone claims that swan inherited unemployment rates of under 4% and current rates are 6%, those sort of 'made up' figures?

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Reply #101 - May 20^th, 2013 at 1:16pm

Dnarever wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 1:06pm:

John Smith wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

oh that's a goodie phil... now you are bringing intellectual dishonesty to the table as well!!! Yes, unemployment was higher in the early years of howard because he inherited high rates and then lowered them. Swan inherited record low rats of UNDER 4% and now it is nearly 6%please do not go the way of adelcrow and DNA and resort to being a moron.

now who's being dishonest? why not give the real rate instead of saying nearly 6%? tut tut longie ... your hypocrisy is shining through again.

Labor inherited Rates over 4.5% and not under 4%.

In mid 2008 under Labor rates went under 4%.

Around 12 months earlier unemployment was over 5.5% in 2006.

The rate is currently about 5.5%.

The obvious conclusion from the actual data is that the Lowest was factually under Labor but in general the rate is cycling in about the same levels in 2005 - 2007 as it is now.

except that unemployment reached 3.9% under howard and was trending down at the time Rudd was elected.

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Reply #102 - May 20^th, 2013 at 1:19pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 1:06pm:

John Smith wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

oh that's a goodie phil... now you are bringing intellectual dishonesty to the table as well!!! Yes, unemployment was higher in the early years of howard because he inherited high rates and then lowered them. Swan inherited record low rats of UNDER 4% and now it is nearly 6%please do not go the way of adelcrow and DNA and resort to being a moron.

now who's being dishonest? why not give the real rate instead of saying nearly 6%? tut tut longie ... your hypocrisy is shining through again.

Labor inherited Rates over 4.5% and not under 4%.

In mid 2008 under Labor rates went under 4%.

Around 12 months earlier unemployment was over 5.5% in 2006.

The rate is currently about 5.5%.

The obvious conclusion from the actual data is that the Lowest was factually under Labor but in general the rate is cycling in about the same levels in 2005 - 2007 as it is now.

except that unemployment reached 3.9% under howard and was trending down at the time Rudd was elected.

and what happened shortly after Rudd was elected dopey?

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Reply #103 - May 20^th, 2013 at 1:25pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 1:06pm:

John Smith wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

oh that's a goodie phil... now you are bringing intellectual dishonesty to the table as well!!! Yes, unemployment was higher in the early years of howard because he inherited high rates and then lowered them. Swan inherited record low rats of UNDER 4% and now it is nearly 6%please do not go the way of adelcrow and DNA and resort to being a moron.

now who's being dishonest? why not give the real rate instead of saying nearly 6%? tut tut longie ... your hypocrisy is shining through again.

Labor inherited Rates over 4.5% and not under 4%.

In mid 2008 under Labor rates went under 4%.

Around 12 months earlier unemployment was over 5.5% in 2006.

The rate is currently about 5.5%.

The obvious conclusion from the actual data is that the Lowest was factually under Labor but in general the rate is cycling in about the same levels in 2005 - 2007 as it is now.

except that unemployment reached 3.9% under howard and was trending down at the time Rudd was elected.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/unemployment-rate

4.2% was the lowest the Libs got and it was 4.6% in November 2007. March 2008 it was 4.0%

If you look at the downward trend you mentioned it goes back to 1992, it was also trending down when Howard came into power.

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Reply #104 - May 20^th, 2013 at 5:18pm

John Smith wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 1:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 1:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 1:06pm:

John Smith wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

oh that's a goodie phil... now you are bringing intellectual dishonesty to the table as well!!! Yes, unemployment was higher in the early years of howard because he inherited high rates and then lowered them. Swan inherited record low rats of UNDER 4% and now it is nearly 6%please do not go the way of adelcrow and DNA and resort to being a moron.

now who's being dishonest? why not give the real rate instead of saying nearly 6%? tut tut longie ... your hypocrisy is shining through again.

Labor inherited Rates over 4.5% and not under 4%.

In mid 2008 under Labor rates went under 4%.

Around 12 months earlier unemployment was over 5.5% in 2006.

The rate is currently about 5.5%.

The obvious conclusion from the actual data is that the Lowest was factually under Labor but in general the rate is cycling in about the same levels in 2005 - 2007 as it is now.

except that unemployment reached 3.9% under howard and was trending down at the time Rudd was elected.

and what happened shortly after Rudd was elected dopey?

howards policies still in place kept unemployment low until rudd started changing things.

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