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Re: How to change the GST
Reply #15 - May 21^st, 2013 at 8:37am

Makka wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 3:39pm:

We know the Feds collect the GST for the State government

Does anyone know the process of increasing the GST?

I can't imagine the Feds wanting to change it as the increase would gain them nothing financially or politically

So anyone saying any Fed government is going to change the GST will need to put a pretty convincing argument forward otherwise they are branded as scare mongering

So the question is - can the State governments organise themselves enough to make the change

If State gov are LIBs proposing and the Feds are Lab then the ALP will have a field day politically

This is not to mention the State governments taking political hits in the polls

So I can't see practically how the GST can be changed without the current governments losing at the next election

Simple: every state and territory must agree on the change to the GST, as well as getting it through both Houses in Canberra.

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Re: How to change the GST
Reply #16 - May 21^st, 2013 at 12:46pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 8:37am:

Makka wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 3:39pm:

We know the Feds collect the GST for the State government

Does anyone know the process of increasing the GST?

I can't imagine the Feds wanting to change it as the increase would gain them nothing financially or politically

So anyone saying any Fed government is going to change the GST will need to put a pretty convincing argument forward otherwise they are branded as scare mongering

So the question is - can the State governments organise themselves enough to make the change

If State gov are LIBs proposing and the Feds are Lab then the ALP will have a field day politically

This is not to mention the State governments taking political hits in the polls

So I can't see practically how the GST can be changed without the current governments losing at the next election

Simple: every state and territory must agree on the change to the GST, as well as getting it through both Houses in Canberra.

Time to review GST: Gallagher

Updated 2 hours 7 minutes ago

Map: ACT
ACT Chief Minister Katy Gallagher says she is not trying to undermine her federal Labor colleagues by supporting Coalition moves to review the GST as part of a wider tax assessment.

If elected in September, the Coalition will commission a white paper on tax which could include the GST.

But federal Labor opposes raising the tax rate and has accused the Opposition of wanting to lift it.

Ms Gallagher says the tax needs another look.

"I understand it's difficult to have a conversation about it particularly in the lead-up to an election but any rational look at this, and look at the Australian taxation system, would at least have the discussion around the GST not necessarily whether you increase it or change it but have it as part of that discussion," she said.

But Ms Gallagher concedes she is out of step with federal Labor.

"I'm not trying to undermine anything and you know I'll leave those matters for the Federal Government and the Federal Opposition," she said.

"I'm coming from it from the point of the Chief Minister of the ACT and I think it's fair and reasonable that at times we will have different opinions to that of a federal government."

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Re: How to change the GST
Reply #17 - May 21^st, 2013 at 5:17pm

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 8:27am:

cods wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

De-registered User wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 3:59pm:

abolish income tax..................and raise the GST!

and what would the Feds use?

I agree with GenX.. But allow the states to collect their own GST.. Collection of Tax by the feds was only supposed to be a temp solution during The Great war (WW1) to fund our military. But if Tax collection was returned to the states we would see a better and more democratic type of federal politician. After all they would have to negotiate with the states to get funding and would protect us from wasteful federal Governments like we currently have.

do you really think so????.... they used to collect the wholesale tax and a right shamozzle that was..

if they collect their own GST we would have a real imbalance thats for sure..and dont forget they can up it when ever it suits them like they did with the wholesale tax.... as it is they get to spend it how they like..

I do think something needs to be done about double bureaucracy in health for starters... for instance NDIS.. is each state going to have its own full blown ministry to micromanage it.. we waste/spend so much on bureaucracy by the time the money trickles down to where it is most needed its almost blown..something needs to be done..

if they plan on upping any form of Taxes at least tell us how it will be spent..they either need to get more efficient or give it to private enterprise we have an overbloated Public service for a country of this size..

and at the end of the day nothing really works.

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Re: How to change the GST
Reply #18 - May 21^st, 2013 at 8:25pm

Makka wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 3:39pm:

We know the Feds collect the GST for the State government

Does anyone know the process of increasing the GST?

I can't imagine the Feds wanting to change it as the increase would gain them nothing financially or politically

So anyone saying any Fed government is going to change the GST will need to put a pretty convincing argument forward otherwise they are branded as scare mongering

So the question is - can the State governments organise themselves enough to make the change

If State gov are LIBs proposing and the Feds are Lab then the ALP will have a field day politically

This is not to mention the State governments taking political hits in the polls

So I can't see practically how the GST can be changed without the current governments losing at the next election

Oh dummy, given that majority of public services are administrated by state and not federal governments it makes sense to up the GST as federal government doesnt need to spend massive amounts to prop up the states (Gonski, health, roads, etc)

And the time to do it is now where most states have such a healthy majority. The only state that might be scared is Victoria.

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Re: How to change the GST
Reply #19 - May 21^st, 2013 at 9:40pm

Makka wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 12:21am:

Lobo wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 10:38pm:

Makka wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 3:39pm:

We know the Feds collect the GST for the State government

Does anyone know the process of increasing the GST?

I can't imagine the Feds wanting to change it as the increase would gain them nothing financially or politically

So anyone saying any Fed government is going to change the GST will need to put a pretty convincing argument forward otherwise they are branded as scare mongering
So the question is - can the State governments organise themselves enough to make the change

If State gov are LIBs proposing and the Feds are Lab then the ALP will have a field day politically

This is not to mention the State governments taking political hits in the polls

So I can't see practically how the GST can be changed without the current governments losing at the next election

So what's Hockey crapping on about then.
IS he trying to egg them on??

Opposition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey says it is up to the states and territories to make a case for changes to the goods and services tax (GST), after NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell called for an overhaul.

Just actually Federal Labor that's making the noise

Is that so???

Opposition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey says it is up to the states and territories to make a case for changes to the goods and services tax (GST), after NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell called for an overhaul.

Mr O'Farrell says the GST formula is broken and he wants to see it reconsidered in the Coalition's proposed tax review.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said in his budget-in-reply speech on Thursday that a Coalition government would release a white paper into Australia's tax system, which could include a review of the GST.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/17238164/hockey-tells-states-to-make-case-for-gst-overhaul/

Now stop being completely stupid and read the article....

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Re: How to change the GST
Reply #20 - May 21^st, 2013 at 9:43pm

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 8:17am:

Lobo wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 10:41pm:

De-registered User wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 3:59pm:

abolish income tax..................and raise the GST!

Abolish GST and increase income tax.

I guess you are a professional welfare recipient froggie..

And I guess you are a total dill.
SFR!!!

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Re: How to change the GST
Reply #21 - May 21^st, 2013 at 9:46pm

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 5:17pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 8:27am:

cods wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

De-registered User wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 3:59pm:

abolish income tax..................and raise the GST!

and what would the Feds use?

I agree with GenX.. But allow the states to collect their own GST.. Collection of Tax by the feds was only supposed to be a temp solution during The Great war (WW1) to fund our military. But if Tax collection was returned to the states we would see a better and more democratic type of federal politician. After all they would have to negotiate with the states to get funding and would protect us from wasteful federal Governments like we currently have.

do you really think so????.... they used to collect the wholesale tax and a right shamozzle that was..

if they collect their own GST we would have a real imbalance thats for sure..and dont forget they can up it when ever it suits them like they did with the wholesale tax.... as it is they get to spend it how they like..

I do think something needs to be done about double bureaucracy in health for starters... for instance NDIS.. is each state going to have its own full blown ministry to micromanage it.. we waste/spend so much on bureaucracy by the time the money trickles down to where it is most needed its almost blown..something needs to be done..

if they plan on upping any form of Taxes at least tell us how it will be spent..they either need to get more efficient or give it to private enterprise we have an overbloated Public service for a country of this size..

and at the end of the day nothing really works.

And up the pension as well, cods??

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Re: How to change the GST
Reply #22 - May 21^st, 2013 at 9:47pm

Lobo wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 9:43pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 8:17am:

Lobo wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 10:41pm:

De-registered User wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 3:59pm:

abolish income tax..................and raise the GST!

Abolish GST and increase income tax.

I guess you are a professional welfare recipient froggie..

And I guess you are a total dill.
SFR!!!

Amazing how those who would be the likely suspects when it comes to bludging are calling others welfare recipients, ey? Wink

And btw Bloody I AM A WELFARE RECIPIENT BECAUSE I MAKE USE OF MEDICARE IF I NEED TO. OH NO. SUE ME.

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Re: How to change the GST
Reply #23 - May 21^st, 2013 at 9:50pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 9:47pm:

Lobo wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 9:43pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 8:17am:

Lobo wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 10:41pm:

De-registered User wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 3:59pm:

abolish income tax..................and raise the GST!

Abolish GST and increase income tax.

I guess you are a professional welfare recipient froggie..

And I guess you are a total dill.
SFR!!!

Amazing how those who would be the likely suspects when it comes to bludging are calling others welfare recipients, ey? Wink

And btw Bloody I AM A WELFARE RECIPIENT BECAUSE I MAKE USE OF MEDICARE IF I NEED TO. OH NO. SUE ME.

WOOOHOOO!!!!!
LOL
Couldn't agree more, I just decided to be more direct.....
Wink

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Re: How to change the GST
Reply #25 - May 21^st, 2013 at 11:38pm

De-registered User wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 3:59pm:

abolish income tax..................and raise the GST!

absolutely..... I also believe this is the only real solution to ensuring the cash economy ends up paying at least some money to the taxation system.

Plus remove the tax exempt status of religious organizations and their employees on turnover from enterprises run by them such as employment services and other enterprises that compete in the economy. ie classify board and lodgings provided by the religious organizations to the clerics as 'assessable income' for the purposes of determining tax due.

As well make ALL real estate property and housing transactions subject to GST. Make all Oz nationals declare all income derived OS and pay tax on it.

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Re: How to change the GST
Reply #26 - May 22^nd, 2013 at 4:32am

Dooley wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 11:38pm:

De-registered User wrote on May 19^th, 2013 at 3:59pm:

abolish income tax..................and raise the GST!

absolutely..... I also believe this is the only real solution to ensuring the cash economy ends up paying at least some money to the taxation system.

Plus remove the tax exempt status of religious organizations and their employees on turnover from enterprises run by them such as employment services and other enterprises that compete in the economy. ie classify board and lodgings provided by the religious organizations to the clerics as 'assessable income' for the purposes of determining tax due.

As well make ALL real estate property and housing transactions subject to GST. Make all Oz nationals declare all income derived OS and pay tax on it.

Andrei wont like that.

Meanwhile the unemployed will have to get a raise because all the price rises will make it intolerable for them. Already they cant afford rent.

SOB

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