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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Abbott trying to sabotage Gonski Reply #30 - May 20^th, 2013 at 9:58pm What the hell is the federal government doing in education anyway. Leave it to the states.
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Reply #31 - May 20^th, 2013 at 10:16pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 1:25pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 11:52am:

[quote author=Innocent_bystander link=1368963668/15#15 date=1369011813]The education department in this country already employs two people for every one job

Thats a very sweeping statement with little to back it up.

the govt department with the most employees being paid $300K (by far) is the education dept.[/quote]

But where are the stats to say that there are two people employed for each job??

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Reply #32 - May 20^th, 2013 at 10:38pm

John Smith wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:05pm:

so they are all public schools that are run differently to our system .... they are still public schools no matter how they are run. So again, what small business is outperforming anything?

The Finnish system seems to be a hybrid public/private system.

public = government-funded, free tuition
private = independent administration

longweekend was saying it combines both.

miketrees wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:58pm:

What the hell is the federal government doing in education anyway.
Leave it to the states.

I think State governments fund public schools and the Federal government funds private schools.

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Reply #33 - May 21^st, 2013 at 8:45am

Lobo wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 10:16pm:

[quote author=longweekend58 link=1368963668/21#21 date=1369020344][quote author=Doctor_Jolly link=1368963668/17#17 date=1369014768]

But where are the stats to say that there are two people employed for each job??

Cheesy

Obviously you've never worked in the education department. ... "worked" probably shouldn't even use that term Grin

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Reply #34 - May 21^st, 2013 at 1:42pm

Mnemonic wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 10:38pm:

John Smith wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:05pm:

so they are all public schools that are run differently to our system .... they are still public schools no matter how they are run. So again, what small business is outperforming anything?

The Finnish system seems to be a hybrid public/private system.

public = government-funded, free tuition
private = independent administration

longweekend was saying it combines both.

miketrees wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:58pm:

What the hell is the federal government doing in education anyway.
Leave it to the states.

I think State governments fund public schools and the Federal government funds private schools.

he was trying to imply that the Finnish system is better because it is in some way a private school system. It is not in any way a private school system, it is a public system that is run differently to ours.

I think schools should be administered independantly. School principles should have a lot more say in the running of the school. Schools should get a set amount per child and then it is up to the principle to spend that money as they know best. Including hiring and firing of staff etc.

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warrigal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2569 australia Gender:	Re: Abbott trying to sabotage Gonski Reply #35 - May 21^st, 2013 at 2:16pm Where will the government get the money to fund Gonski from.
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woody2014 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2044 NTH EAST VIC Gender:	Re: Abbott trying to sabotage Gonski Reply #36 - May 21^st, 2013 at 2:18pm warrigal wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 2:16pm: Where will the government get the money to fund Gonski from. Mining TAX
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74454 Gender:	Re: Abbott trying to sabotage Gonski Reply #37 - May 21^st, 2013 at 3:56pm warrigal wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 2:16pm: Where will the government get the money to fund Gonski from. same place they get the money for Abbotts paid parental leave scheme
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Reply #38 - May 21^st, 2013 at 4:28pm

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 3:56pm:

warrigal wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 2:16pm:

Where will the government get the money to fund Gonski from.

same place they get the money for Abbotts paid parental leave scheme

the real answer is the same place gillard got it from????... she does have it doesnt she????

I guess shes paid for the report as well...funny how we pay for all these reports remember the Henry Tax report.. he disappeared and so did the report?????

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Reply #39 - May 21^st, 2013 at 5:06pm

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 4:28pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 3:56pm:

warrigal wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 2:16pm:

Where will the government get the money to fund Gonski from.

same place they get the money for Abbotts paid parental leave scheme

the real answer is the same place gillard got it from????... she does have it doesnt she????

I guess shes paid for the report as well...funny how we pay for all these reports remember the Henry Tax report.. he disappeared and so did the report?????

don't kid yourself into believing that the libs don't pay for reports Cods ... at least pretend to be honest.

As far as where Gillard is paying for it, it was outlined in the budget. Keep up.

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Reply #40 - May 21^st, 2013 at 9:45pm

I think the Gonski plan is pink bats for education. It is a massively expensive misunderstanding of what education actually is.

Abstract
This brief is critical of a number of important premises that lie behind the Gonski report on school funding and the proposed reforms based on that report by the Australian government. Specifically, we: see no reason to make performance on international tests an objective of Australian schooling; doubt the wisdom of increasing the role of the Australian government in schooling; argue the impact of additional resources on student achievement is likely to be small; view the resource standards calculated in the Gonski report as unlikely to achieve what they are intended to do; and believe there is really no possibility of constructing any such objective resource standards.
Melbourne uni policy briefs

It should be 'sabotaged', that is, not allowed to be implemented.

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Reply #41 - May 22^nd, 2013 at 5:56am

Soren wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 9:45pm:

I think the Gonski plan is pink bats for education. It is a massively expensive misunderstanding of what education actually is.

Abstract
This brief is critical of a number of important premises that lie behind the Gonski report on school funding and the proposed reforms based on that report by the Australian government. Specifically, we: see no reason to make performance on international tests an objective of Australian schooling; doubt the wisdom of increasing the role of the Australian government in schooling; argue the impact of additional resources on student achievement is likely to be small; view the resource standards calculated in the Gonski report as unlikely to achieve what they are intended to do; and believe there is really no possibility of constructing any such objective resource standards.
Melbourne uni policy briefs

It should be 'sabotaged', that is, not allowed to be implemented.

(quote) Pink bats for education.

So more government money will be wasted.
17 Billion deficit, 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ........

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If you can create a big enough lie about someone IGNORANT people will bellieve it.

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Reply #42 - May 22^nd, 2013 at 7:15am

Soren wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 9:45pm:

I think the Gonski plan is pink bats for education. It is a massively expensive misunderstanding of what education actually is.

Abstract
This brief is critical of a number of important premises that lie behind the Gonski report on school funding and the proposed reforms based on that report by the Australian government. Specifically, we: see no reason to make performance on international tests an objective of Australian schooling; doubt the wisdom of increasing the role of the Australian government in schooling; argue the impact of additional resources on student achievement is likely to be small; view the resource standards calculated in the Gonski report as unlikely to achieve what they are intended to do; and believe there is really no possibility of constructing any such objective resource standards.
Melbourne uni policy briefs

It should be 'sabotaged', that is, not allowed to be implemented.

correct.
intervention in the professions..teaching, medicine etc by bureaucrats invariably leads to loss of morale and a burgeoning middle management who (being paid by government) will always side with government leading to further dysfunction at the coalface. best not to disturb very delicate ecosystems.

one could look at the disastrous consequences on aboriginal communities of successive waves of government intervention as an example. despite tresurer swan and miss gillard believing more spending will fix any problem, the reality is it wont.

having dispensed with gonski, we now need to dispense with the NDIS. the weak and vulnerable disabled of australia are far too important to be looked after by a public service army in canberra. it is cruel to suggest otherwise. Angry

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