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What is with all this B/S
May 20^th, 2013 at 9:32am

What are all you righters going on about with your bullshyte about what will the labor party do after they lose the election.

Who is going to be leader? Who is going to be the treasure spokeperson? etc

Who as said they are going to lose the election? Has any of you voted as yet I know I haven't and I get my ballot papers about 4/5 days after the declaration of nominations, and I haven't got them yet.

You are all saying the polls are telling you that labor will lose now read this on how the polls can be wrong.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/05/15/bc-election-poll...

There is only one poll to take notice of and that is held on the 14^th September where everyone gets a say not just 1000 people that live in liberal areas

They said a week is a long time in politics and there is about 120 days to go before the election and a lot can happen between now and then.

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Re: What is with all this B/S
Reply #1 - May 20^th, 2013 at 9:37am

John S wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:32am:

What are all you righters going on about with your bullshyte about what will the labor party do after they lose the election.

Who is going to be leader? Who is going to be the treasure spokeperson? etc

Who as said they are going to lose the election? Has any of you voted as yet I know I haven't and I get my ballot papers about 4/5 days after the declaration of nominations, and I haven't got them yet.

You are all saying the polls are telling you that labor will lose now read this on how the polls can be wrong.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/05/15/bc-election-poll...

There is only one poll to take notice of and that is held on the 14^th September where everyone gets a say not just 1000 people that live in liberal areas

They said a week is a long time in politics and there is about 120 days to go before the election and a lot can happen between now and then.

The prodigal son returns with more bullsh1t.

Welcome back Valley Boy.

BTW wiseone? will you give us a hint who you will be voting for.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: What is with all this B/S Reply #2 - May 20^th, 2013 at 9:38am oh boo hoo seems like you are having a massive dose of sour grapes..vb... just to please you just supposing they do win ... do you honestly think they will keep gillard as Pm and swan as treasurer???? are you saying they are as dumb as will think they are?
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Reply #3 - May 20^th, 2013 at 9:38am

If you read the whole of the article you will find that their pollsters are often wrong indicating that have statistical flaws in their methodology. However in Australia, news poll and galaxy have a record of never being more than 1.1% out in their predictions. and with the current margin being 12-16% that is of no consequence.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: What is with all this B/S Reply #4 - May 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am 'low voter turnout' was an issue which will always distort the results as conservative-leaning older people stay home. however we have COMPULSORY voting.
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RightSadFred Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2220 Gender:	Re: What is with all this B/S Reply #5 - May 20^th, 2013 at 9:45am the wise one All I can say is CentreBet is just one click away. I think the polls are off, I think the ALP defeat will be bigger than what the national polls are showing. In the state elections we are seeing inconsistencies which don't look pretty for the ALP or the greens ...... these are real polls.
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Reply #6 - May 20^th, 2013 at 9:45am

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

If you read the whole of the article you will find that their pollsters are often wrong indicating that have statistical flaws in their methodology. However in Australia, news poll and galaxy have a record of never being more than 1.1% out in their predictions. and with the current margin being 12-16% that is of no consequence.

Valley Boy read the article?

Come on Longy Valley Boy went to Arthur Phillip High in Parramatta. It was known as the school for dummies.

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Reply #7 - May 20^th, 2013 at 9:47am

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

'low voter turnout' was an issue which will always distort the results as conservative-leaning older people stay home. however we have COMPULSORY voting.

The USSR turn out in 1984 was 99.7% as well due to compulsory voting.

How proud you must be to force people to the polls.

Meanwhile in the rest of the western world, we'll allow people to decide if they wish to vote....

I never bothered in the recent UK one.
As is my right.

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Reply #8 - May 20^th, 2013 at 9:47am

KJT1981 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

If you read the whole of the article you will find that their pollsters are often wrong indicating that have statistical flaws in their methodology. However in Australia, news poll and galaxy have a record of never being more than 1.1% out in their predictions. and with the current margin being 12-16% that is of no consequence.

Valley Boy read the article?

Come on Longy Valley Boy went to Arthur Phillip High in Parramatta. It was known as the school for dummies.

Careful. He's best mates with Ray Hadley.

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Reply #9 - May 20^th, 2013 at 9:53am

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

'low voter turnout' was an issue which will always distort the results as conservative-leaning older people stay home. however we have COMPULSORY voting.

longweekend58

I am opposed to compulsory voting but the stats knock my argument out of the park.

Practically we only have compulsory polling booth attendance but given that in most elections about 1% fail to show up and only about 1% fail to vote correctly.

Polling is a statistical sampling which can show trends and anomalies, the trend for the ALP has been down then flat-line.

Doing polling on a variable target quantity is very dodgy.

Given the vast majority in Australia seem happy to vote and know how to correctly ...... this does provide a far more stable polling basis.

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Reply #10 - May 20^th, 2013 at 9:57am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:47am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

'low voter turnout' was an issue which will always distort the results as conservative-leaning older people stay home. however we have COMPULSORY voting.

The USSR turn out in 1984 was 99.7% as well due to compulsory voting.

How proud you must be to force people to the polls.

Meanwhile in the rest of the western world, we'll allow people to decide if they wish to vote....

I never bothered in the recent UK one.
As is my right.

so you cant have a bitch and say I didnt vote for them... who cares what other countries do..

to be honest we would be at the mercy of the unions who hold great sway at tellin g people what they MUST do....we on ly have a small voting population...

pathetic at this stage to tell us you can please yourself...

as you say andrei you please yourself why you come on a political board when you admit you dont bother voting I dont know is that so you can have a bet each way...????

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Re: What is with all this B/S
Reply #11 - May 20^th, 2013 at 9:59am

RightSadFred wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

'low voter turnout' was an issue which will always distort the results as conservative-leaning older people stay home. however we have COMPULSORY voting.

longweekend58

I am opposed to compulsory voting but the stats knock my argument out of the park.

Practically we only have compulsory polling booth attendance but given that in most elections about 1% fail to show up and only about 1% fail to vote correctly.

Polling is a statistical sampling which can show trends and anomalies, the trend for the ALP has been down then flat-line.

Doing polling on a variable target quantity is very dodgy.

Given the vast majority in Australia seem happy to vote and know how to correctly ...... this does provide a far more stable polling basis.

in future check out the informal votes at the end of the counting...........

imagine what the numbers of non voters would be if it wasn t compulsory.. we are a lazy lot you know...

the non voters would out number the voters is that what you want?

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Reply #12 - May 20^th, 2013 at 10:06am

I never bothered in the recent UK elections cods because I can't stand the Labour Party, Cameron has let me down on various fronts and I think the LibDems are cracked.

In a normal society, if a politician or party does not match up to the standard you expect, then you should be free to not vote for them.

I did register my view by being one of the 60% who didn't turn up.

They have to win my vote.
Compulsory voting makes people vote who wouldn't care less which is absurd.

Which is probably why nobody else does it.

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Reply #14 - May 20^th, 2013 at 10:10am

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

'low voter turnout' was an issue which will always distort the results as conservative-leaning older people stay home. however we have COMPULSORY voting.

If you read the article you would see that it was NDP that lost the election and they are like our labor party so the conservative-leaning people did turn up to vote

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