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Reply #15 - May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:46am

I wasn't actually criticising the Muslim's protestations of gays. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the liberal left and their mantra of 'tolerance' being a very poor policy to run a society by; exemplified by the current clash of the liberals and Muslims in the op.

I want to see consistency here by the liberal left. I want to see them tar these Muslims with the terms 'bigotry' and 'homophobia' just as they do so with white conservatives.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95295 Gender:	Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest Reply #16 - May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:55am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:46am: I wasn't actually criticising the Muslim's protestations of gays. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the liberal left and their mantra of 'tolerance' being a very poor policy to run a society by; That's unlike you, Mistie.
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Reply #17 - May 22^nd, 2013 at 11:42am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:46am:

I wasn't actually criticising the Muslim's protestations of gays. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the liberal left and their mantra of 'tolerance' being a very poor policy to run a society by; exemplified by the current clash of the liberals and Muslims in the op.

I want to see consistency here by the liberal left. I want to see them tar these Muslims with the terms 'bigotry' and 'homophobia' just as they do so with white conservatives.

Again you miss the point. I know you weren't criticising the muslims - I'm saying there is no hypocrisy that I can see.

Are you saying the lefties should be calling muslims bigots and homophobes for marching in an anti-gay marriage protest? That would be absurd. I also reject the idea that these same lefties label white conservatives who protest against gay marriage bigots and homophobes. They *DO* however speak up against actual homophobia (whether its from non muslims or muslims) - and they *DO* believe that homophobia *CAN* arise from the sort of institutional discrimination such as marriage inequality. But the two are not the same thing.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #18 - May 22^nd, 2013 at 12:37pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 11:42am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:46am:

I wasn't actually criticising the Muslim's protestations of gays. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the liberal left and their mantra of 'tolerance' being a very poor policy to run a society by; exemplified by the current clash of the liberals and Muslims in the op.

I want to see consistency here by the liberal left. I want to see them tar these Muslims with the terms 'bigotry' and 'homophobia' just as they do so with white conservatives.

Again you miss the point. I know you weren't criticising the muslims - I'm saying there is no hypocrisy that I can see.

Are you saying the lefties should be calling muslims bigots and homophobes for marching in an anti-gay marriage protest? That would be absurd. I also reject the idea that these same lefties label white conservatives who protest against gay marriage bigots and homophobes. They *DO* however speak up against actual homophobia (whether its from non muslims or muslims) - and they *DO* believe that homophobia *CAN* arise from the sort of institutional discrimination such as marriage inequality. But the two are not the same thing.

It doesn't matter what arguments are brought forth against gay marriage from white conservatives, the bigot and homophobic tag gets thrown toward them.

The Christian argument against gay marriage is almost identical to Islam's. Yet, Christians receive plenty of hate for it. It's yet to be shown though that that same hate has been directed toward Islam.

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Reply #19 - May 22^nd, 2013 at 8:23pm

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My point is, we have a group of muslims exercising their democratic right to peacefully protest, and your response is, the "left-wing trendies" display no foresight. So what should they have done?

Acknowledging the conflict of values would be a good start.

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But the two are not the same thing.

Funny how you have no trouble telling the difference when it suits your argument.

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The Christian argument against gay marriage is almost identical to Islam's. Yet, Christians receive plenty of hate for it. It's yet to be shown though that that same hate has been directed toward Islam.

I think the real difference is that criticism of Islam does not follow the usual left/right divide. It seems to come down to whether people focus more on everyone being nice to each other or on protecting human rights, even if some take offense. You get a good mix of both from the left and the right.

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Reply #20 - May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:22pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 12:42pm:

The acceptance of gays by Islam and Christianity is the exception more than the rule. You'd think a sensible policy would be to import like-minded people. Call it prejudice or whatever slogan you trendies want, it isn't going to change the fact that Islam is generally hostile to gays.

So, you'd bar Muslims and Christians? Roll Eyes

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Reply #21 - May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:25pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 12:53pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 12:44pm:

so how do you think the trendies could have displayed more "foresight" Misty? Demand that muslims be banned from expressing their democratic right to protest peacefully?

Do you think the trendies just love muslims for their beliefs - or that perhaps they defend the right of *ANY* group - muslim or not - to not be vilified and discriminated?

Left-wing trendies display no foresight. They carry the slogans of 'tolerance' and 'equality' around in their head without analysing the possible repercussions of such a policy.

And those repercussions are? That people are treated decently without prejudice and intolerance?

Obviously you've never been victimised. Could it be that you just like victimising people?

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An interesting question now is: Are the left-wing trendies going to be tolerant of Islam's hostility toward gays? Is that free speech?
Whenever a white conservative has reservations about gays they get called homophobes and bigots. I wonder if the 'useful idiots' will use such terms toward Muslims?

Interesting times ahead for Europe.

Interesting times for everybody.

I'll protest against people discriminating against Muslims.

I'll protest against people discriminating against Gays.

I'm an indiscriminate in my protesting. Grin

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Reply #23 - May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:54pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:25pm:

I'll protest against people discriminating against Muslims.

I'll protest against people discriminating against Gays.

I'm an indiscriminate in my protesting.

Exactly. If Misty or FD could point me to where these supposedly 'inconsistent' lefties have ever ignored, or apologised for muslims being bigoted over gays, I'll be grateful.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #25 - May 22^nd, 2013 at 11:18pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:25pm:

I'll protest against people discriminating against Muslims.

I'll protest against people discriminating against Gays.

I'm an indiscriminate in my protesting.

Exactly. If Misty or FD could point me to where these supposedly 'inconsistent' lefties have ever ignored, or apologised for muslims being bigoted over gays, I'll be grateful.

Never going to happen, you realise? Roll Eyes

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Reply #26 - May 22^nd, 2013 at 11:48pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:25pm:

I'll protest against people discriminating against Muslims.

I'll protest against people discriminating against Gays.

I'm an indiscriminate in my protesting.

Exactly. If Misty or FD could point me to where these supposedly 'inconsistent' lefties have ever ignored, or apologised for muslims being bigoted over gays, I'll be grateful.

Perhaps you could point me to where leftists have taken Muslims to task for being bigoted toward gays?

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Reply #27 - May 22^nd, 2013 at 11:56pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:25pm:

And those repercussions are?

What do you think will be the repercussions of gays in an Islamic dominated society?

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That people are treated decently without prejudice and intolerance?

The words 'prejudice' and 'intolerance' are thrown about so often that they fail to even make sense any more. What point are you even trying to make here?

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Obviously you've never been victimised. Could it be that you just like victimising people?

Again, you throw trendy terms out there like 'victimizing' that mean nothing. What is it you're trying to say?

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Interesting times for everybody.

I'll protest against people discriminating against Muslims.

I'll protest against people discriminating against Gays.

I'm an indiscriminate in my protesting. Grin

Maybe you'll protest against people discriminating against conservatives? How about bankers? How about Catholic priests?

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Reply #28 - May 22^nd, 2013 at 11:59pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:22pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 12:42pm:

The acceptance of gays by Islam and Christianity is the exception more than the rule. You'd think a sensible policy would be to import like-minded people. Call it prejudice or whatever slogan you trendies want, it isn't going to change the fact that Islam is generally hostile to gays.

So, you'd bar Muslims and Christians? Roll Eyes

It's not me who is under the microscope. Re-read the op and look at the context of my comments.

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Reply #29 - May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:19am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 11:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:25pm:

And those repercussions are?

What do you think will be the repercussions of gays in an Islamic dominated society?

They may be discriminated against and persecuted. Rather similar to what happens in Uganda where they've just recriminalised homosexuality. Oh, bugger, that's a Christian country, isn't it? Roll Eyes

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That people are treated decently without prejudice and intolerance?

The words 'prejudice' and 'intolerance' are thrown about so often that they fail to even make sense any more. What point are you even trying to make here?

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? You made a point. I questioned it. Sufficient context for you? Roll Eyes

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Obviously you've never been victimised. Could it be that you just like victimising people?

Again, you throw trendy terms out there like 'victimizing' that mean nothing. What is it you're trying to say?

You do appear to have a reading comprehension problem. I made an observation and then asked a question. I used common English words. Roll Eyes

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Interesting times for everybody.

I'll protest against people discriminating against Muslims.

I'll protest against people discriminating against Gays.

I'm an indiscriminate in my protesting. Grin

Maybe you'll protest against people discriminating against conservatives? How about bankers? How about Catholic priests?

What don't you understand about the meaning of the word "indiscriminate"? Roll Eyes

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